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Post by bullsfan on Jul 18, 2012 17:25:26 GMT -5
There was possibly a deal made with Bruno that if he gave them the song it would be released as the next single world-wide. Because, really, they could have gone with something else in the UK. They would have had the time to make a change.
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Post by fooffyschmoofer on Jul 18, 2012 17:25:30 GMT -5
you can't play Dr Luke production after those songs without looking outdated. It's not Dr. Luke production, Katy Perry, Marina & The Diamonds, Jessie J are just a few who have been doing really well in the UK lately with Dr. Luke produced tracks. It's just not that catchy or energetic compared to the others and just ends up sounding really lacking. Ok, so not entirely Dr Luke's fault (I'm not really a Bruno Mars fan ) - and if you look at those three, they have quirkiness out the wazoo.
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Post by taumbu on Jul 18, 2012 17:33:15 GMT -5
Radio 1 won't follow what's big or not elsewhere. They definitely march to the beat of their own drum. Which is partly why they are so infuriating. Because Radio 1 is a public service broadcaster, it's the requirement of their licence that their listening audience is 15 - 29 years old. When they are picking songs to playlist, they have to decide if the UK listening public in that age range will think it's good. And they are eternally trying to get the average age of their audience down. It always tends to go over a bit towards 30 - 33yrs. If it goes too far, they get in trouble. That's their bottom line - not commercial decisions. BTIKM was a million to one long-shot on Radio 1. NCOE had a slightly better chance, but if you look at the sort of dance songs that they have on their playlist - I'm thinking of that Knife Play one in particular ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT3NsAbsJHY) but also things like Netsky ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IzVZj4BNms) - you can't play Dr Luke production after those songs without looking outdated. Cuckoo and Trespassing have such a better chance. Radio 1 goes for personality and quirky. It won't matter if they aren't big hits elsewhere. But Radio 1 does have a tendency to want to discover people first. If they go for Cuckoo or Trespassing, they'll be supporting Adam just as much as the song, which is where BTIKM/NCOE count against him because they don't fit their target demographic. Then how did Bruno Mars get so big in the UK? Was he played on Radio2? I still can't get past all of those music critics telling the label EXACTLY, what to release in the UK that stood the best chance to be a hit, and RCA completely ignored them and went with a song that was not being supported in the US. I've pretty much come to the conclusion that RCA is trying to make Adam into something he isn't, to conform and to make him palatable to the public. The same people who are indifferent to him at best. They're trying to appeal to an audience that, by all accounts, want nothing to do with Adam and probably never will. In turn, they are turning their backs on the portion of the public who loved everything different and unique about Adam and who have been completely deflated of any enthusiasm towards his singles thus far. Why? Because both of his singles are devoid of his personality. They're not playful, they're not rebellious, they have absolutely no sass to them. In essence, they have nothing about Adam in them. That's what's lacking and that's why the general public, not just a good number of fans, are not connecting with this song.
Wow! So,well said. This is so frustrating because one word I have always used to describe my love for Adam is FUN. Cucko, Shady, Tresspassing, Naked Love are fun like Adam. BTIKM and NCOE are not. IMO
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Post by fooffyschmoofer on Jul 18, 2012 17:40:03 GMT -5
What I don't understand is why they went with NCOE in the UK. The song was clearly struggling in the US and Australia/NZ. Shouldn't that have been a red flag that it was going to have trouble in the UK? And especially when British media had picked Cuckoo and Trespassing as stand-out singles over and over. Quick question, Shoshanna made it sound like Adam would be back in the UK fairly soon, I am guessing to promote single #2. But, what more promo could he possibly do there at this point? How do you get Radio to spin a new single so quickly when the first one didn't take off? NCOE does fit in the playlist of the commercial stations - they tend to aim outside the fixed age range of 15 - 29 (where it's dominated by dance and urban), which is why they get annoyed when Radio 1 can't keep themselves in that box, because they start taking away from their listeners. It was worth a shot with NCOE in the UK while that's what was happening elsewhere, with the video, etc. The UK's turnover of singles is a lot quicker than the US - moving on to another single isn't the problem. Florence is on her 5th single from her second album and has gotten about the same level of radio support each time, without any of them doing outstandingly commercially (12th was her highest before this number 1 single). So say, please god, Capital are as supportive next time round with Cuckoo,which I think they will be, the song is a muuuuuuch better fit for the UK market and I'm hopeful some of the rest of the commercial stations will jump on board. It'll be up to RCA/Sony to do some persuasion with the Radio 1 playlist people.
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Post by maddie509 on Jul 18, 2012 18:05:35 GMT -5
The UK's turnover of singles is a lot quicker than the US - moving on to another single isn't the problem. Florence is on her 5th single from her second album and has gotten about the same level of radio support each time, without any of them doing outstandingly commercially (12th was her highest before this number 1 single). So say, please god, Capital are as supportive next time round with Cuckoo,which I think they will be, the song is a muuuuuuch better fit for the UK market and I'm hopeful some of the rest of the commercial stations will jump on board. It'll be up to RCA/Sony to do some persuasion with the Radio 1 playlist people. True, unlike the US (which a single can stay on the chart for months and months at a time), the UK is quite different. Florence and Ed Sheeran both are on their 5th singles but they're also a lot more popular and successful than Adam in the UK right now, but I do agree RCA needs to push out the 2nd single fast to the UK (and it'd better be Cuckoo, or at least Trespassing, if they still had any balls and intelligence left). I don't even wanna go there about RCA's timing and single selection bullshit any more....
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Post by lambo on Jul 18, 2012 18:05:41 GMT -5
It's not Dr. Luke production, Katy Perry, Marina & The Diamonds, Jessie J are just a few who have been doing really well in the UK lately with Dr. Luke produced tracks. It's just not that catchy or energetic compared to the others and just ends up sounding really lacking. Ok, so not entirely Dr Luke's fault (I'm not really a Bruno Mars fan ) - and if you look at those three, they have quirkiness out the wazoo. Quirkiness and FUN which Adam has, but like taumbu said, NCOE isn't really fun, unlike Cuckoo or Naked Love etc. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 18:11:41 GMT -5
The UK's turnover of singles is a lot quicker than the US - moving on to another single isn't the problem. Florence is on her 5th single from her second album and has gotten about the same level of radio support each time, without any of them doing outstandingly commercially (12th was her highest before this number 1 single). So say, please god, Capital are as supportive next time round with Cuckoo,which I think they will be, the song is a muuuuuuch better fit for the UK market and I'm hopeful some of the rest of the commercial stations will jump on board. It'll be up to RCA/Sony to do some persuasion with the Radio 1 playlist people. True, unlike the US (which a single can stay on the chart for months and months at a time), the UK is quite different. Florence and Ed Sheeran both are on their 5th singles but they're also a lot more popular and successful than Adam in the UK right now, but I do agree RCA needs to push out the 2nd single fast to the UK (and it'd better be Cuckoo, or at least Trespassing, if they still had any balls and intelligence left). I don't even wanna go there about RCA's timing and single selection bullshit any more.... The one good thing right now, is that if RCA does another single here or the UK, the only songs left on the album have Adam's personality & attitude all over them! ETA: Which of course means that BTIKM and NCOE were the only 2 that didn't! :-/ Sometimes I think the biggest "No trespassing" has come from his own label!
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Jul 19, 2012 2:41:06 GMT -5
I know I put this on the main thread, but I can't post this info enough. PLEASE pass the word to any DC'er who doesn't regularly post on ATOP. **** MESSAGE TO ALL WASHINGTON DC PEEPSAs y'all might know, for whatever reason, 94.7 (FreshFM / WIAD) has *really* started spinning NOCE madly over the last few days. ENCOURAGE THEM TO KEEP IT UP! Thet pay a lot of attention to tweets, so please tweet them ( @947freshfm) along with (hopefully) a 1x/day mediabase form. Also (and dying of shock here) I got a personal tweet back from Toby Knapp of 99.5 (Hot99.5 / WIHT) saying they would try to play Adam. They have never played Adam but Toby personally likes Adam and that station spins the hell out of songs they pick up. So it sure couldn't hurt to send some concentrated love while they're expressing interest! They're CHR, focusing on the young-ish demographic so they pay most attention to tweets and texts, so please tweet them ( @hot995) AND text them (99338). If you already send a mediabase form, continue. If not, I'd just focus on tweet/text. WE NEED EVERY SINGLE DC LOCAL (or reasonably perceived local ) TO WORK THESE STATIONS AS HARD AS POSSIBLE. 1x/day TEXT/TWEET TO BOTH STATIONS !!!
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Post by bullsfan on Jul 19, 2012 6:36:20 GMT -5
Wow, Hoppers, that is REALLY interesting about the Toby tweet. Maybe there is something going on...
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Post by swarm on Jul 19, 2012 7:21:48 GMT -5
I always thought that BTIKM was the most like WWFM and that's what they were going for. When it peaked, then I thought the huge delay on the album to create NCOE was because radio most likely told RCA they didn't like ANY of the other songs. Why else would you completely re-engineer ALL the albums internationally, delay ALL the drops internationally, have to change all the promo you had lined up etc? An enormous task. Adam himself said how complex it is to release an album in many countries. Then to make matters worse, they release the album and NCOE at a time where there are 13 reality show contestants fighting for spins, 8 of them from American Idol. And if I'm not mistaken, Dark Side was sort of struggling more than Kelly would be expected to, and to me Dark Side is similar to NCOE, but she might be picking up steam now. We know from reading stuff (like that article about how PDs program), that they are NOT going to spin 13 of the same ilk or 8 AI people back to back all day. So thanks alot lower tier American Idols for hogging up the spins when everybody knows you weren't going anywhere. If BTIKM had hung in for another 7 positions, to #10 his entire era would have been smooth sailing more or less. Yeah, I know, DUH lol. Of course we ARE talking about a MALE POP act, the only one besides Beibs who isn't urban and even Boyfriend is urban super-leaning. And I was shocked to see that after "radio gave Beiber a second chance" that it only peaked at #9 on Billboard. I miss having Mediabase, I have no real feel for what's gong on there especially with Pulse only doling out requests. How far back to we have to go to find a solo male pop (not urban) superstar/hitmaker? Timberland's last single was in 2007 hit #6 and he wasn't originally a breaking solo but part of a boy band. So we have the unique male pop singer wearing the Idol stigma, with the ghey scarlet letter, releasing music that isn't exactly sonically what's on the pop charts, which, for some unpredictable reason took a turn to quirky and British after he worked on his album for a year. And his label apparently out of touch with what will work. OR Adam and his collabs not willing to or know how write just for "hits". Then there's the UNKNOWN about radio such as are they just not going to bother because he's too high maintenance or something. We still don'g know what negative feedback they may have internally or from Adam haters. Such as campaigns to threaten radio if they play him, which cancel out campaigns to promote him. I'm referring to the US here because I believe with a hit here, the UK would have been fine. I'm dizzy just thinking about it for the guy. :(
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