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Post by melliemom on Jul 19, 2012 7:31:33 GMT -5
I always thought that BTIKM was the most like WWFM and that's what they were going for. When it peaked, then I thought the huge delay on the album to create NCOE was because radio most likely told RCA they didn't like ANY of the other songs. Why else would you completely re-engineer ALL the albums internationally, delay ALL the drops internationally, have to change all the promo you had lined up etc? An enormous task. Adam himself said how complex it is to release an album in many countries. Then to make matters worse, they release the album and NCOE at a time where there are 13 reality show contestants fighting for spins, 8 of them from American Idol. And if I'm not mistaken, Dark Side was sort of struggling more than Kelly would be expected to, and to me Dark Side is similar to NCOE, but she might be picking up steam now. We know from reading stuff (like that article about how PDs program), that they are NOT going to spin 13 of the same ilk or 8 AI people back to back all day. So thanks alot lower tier American Idols for hogging up the spins when everybody knows you weren't going anywhere. If BTIKM had hung in for another 7 positions, to #10 his entire era would have been smooth sailing more or less. Yeah, I know, DUH lol. Of course we ARE talking about a MALE POP act, the only one besides Beibs who isn't urban and even Boyfriend is urban super-leaning. And I was shocked to see that after "radio gave Beiber a second chance" that it only peaked at #9 on Billboard. I miss having Mediabase, I have no real feel for what's gong on there especially with Pulse only doling out requests. How far back to we have to go to find a solo male pop (not urban) superstar/hitmaker? Timberland's last single was in 2007 hit #6 and he wasn't originally a breaking solo but part of a boy band. So we have the unique male pop singer wearing the Idol stigma, with the ghey scarlet letter, releasing music that isn't exactly sonically what's on the pop charts, which, for some unpredictable reason took a turn to quirky and British after he worked on his album for a year. And his label apparently out of touch with what will work. OR Adam and his collabs not willing to or know how write just for "hits". Then there's the UNKNOWN about radio such as are they just not going to bother because he's too high maintenance or something. We still don'g know what negative feedback they may have internally or from Adam haters. Such as campaigns to threaten radio if they play him, which cancel out campaigns to promote him. I'm referring to the US here because I believe with a hit here, the UK would have been fine. I'm dizzy just thinking about it for the guy. :(  YUP.. you said it all but IMHO greatness will win out and Adam is GREAT  Love the pretty with the crazy eyes..LOL |
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Post by JazzRocks on Jul 19, 2012 7:57:21 GMT -5
No useful information from me - just want to say that this thread is by far the most interesting on the forum. Negative? No, realistic. I don't think it's negative to be making attempts to understand what's happening and why.
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Post by myspencer50 on Jul 19, 2012 9:33:26 GMT -5
I seriously doubt any reengineering had to be done. That's usually done within weeks of an album's release and they knew the album was being postponed by end of February. No promo wasn't rescheduled. That was part of the problem. He was doing promo for an old single (in March) and an album that wasn't going to be out for 2 months. The one thing RCA did get right was the album drop date. It may have been a pain to have it delayed, for us, but that is the only date that Adam could have made history and make history he did.  It is in the record books and will never go away. The only problem with the delay was that RCA chose the wrong singles. No, I don't think PDs didn't like any other singles. We have evidence in many early promo reviews that have almost every journalist loving Cuckoo! I think the US PDs most likely barely listened to NCOE. They saw Bruno Mars and said "That one!" They may have even been listening to the version before Dr Luke got ahold of it! Don't even get me started on Adam and Dr Luke!! I think the Rate the Music survey probably had Cuckoo and NCOE close, and so RCA chose NCOE, thinking the Bruno connection would help. It' a reasonable assumption if you don't have the ability to think outside the box. << Which of course is radio PDs to a tee! |
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Post by evamaria on Jul 19, 2012 10:38:53 GMT -5
I seriously doubt any reengineering had to be done. That's usually done within weeks of an album's release and they knew the album was being postponed by end of February. No promo wasn't rescheduled. That was part of the problem. He was doing promo for an old single (in March) and an album that wasn't going to be out for 2 months. The one thing RCA did get right was the album drop date. It may have been a pain to have it delayed, for us, but that is the only date that Adam could have made history and make history he did. It is in the record books and will never go away. The only problem with the delay was that RCA chose the wrong singles. No, I don't think PDs didn't like any other singles. We have evidence in many early promo reviews that have almost every journalist loving Cuckoo! I think the US PDs most likely barely listened to NCOE. They saw Bruno Mars and said "That one!" They may have even been listening to the version before Dr Luke got ahold of it! Don't even get me started on Adam and Dr Luke!! I think the Rate the Music survey probably had Cuckoo and NCOE close, and so RCA chose NCOE, thinking the Bruno connection would help. It' a reasonable assumption if you don't have the ability to think outside the box. << Which of course is radio PDs to a tee! Cuckoo is risky for a male artist, and they didn't want to take risks with an artist making a comeback. They probably hoped btikm would remind people of wwfm, Adam's major hit, hoped for a quick rise on hac, then cross over into chr. There's nothing wrong with that strategy, especially if you're right and pds can't think outside the box. What screwed btikm was the way it was released and the lack of publicity. Rinse and repeat for ncoe. They could have released Cuckoo, then Trespassing. Chances are neither song would have succeeded if released under similar circumstances. Adam's trying to make a comeback. He's had so little promotion I could cry. It's not the songs. It's a combination of factors, a perfect storm. |
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Post by myspencer50 on Jul 19, 2012 10:44:26 GMT -5
Promo was screwed up, but I think it's the songs. Why would Cuckoo be riskey for a male Pop star? I see nothing risky in Cuckoo besides Fuck and that is nothing nowadays.
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Post by evamaria on Jul 19, 2012 10:54:26 GMT -5
Promo was screwed up, but I think it's the songs. Why would Cuckoo be riskey for a male Pop star? I see nothing risky in Cuckoo besides Fuck and that is nothing nowadays. It's not urban. It's a genre that nowadays a woman would sing, not a man. Many people (of my acquaintance) find the repeated "cuckoo" annoying. Adam has a history of doing better with slower songs than with dance songs; compare wwfm with iihy or fye. They could dub over or bleep the fuck so that's not a big deal. |
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Post by myspencer50 on Jul 19, 2012 11:01:26 GMT -5
Promo was screwed up, but I think it's the songs. Why would Cuckoo be riskey for a male Pop star? I see nothing risky in Cuckoo besides Fuck and that is nothing nowadays. It's not urban. It's a genre that nowadays a woman would sing, not a man. Many people (of my acquaintance) find the repeated "cuckoo" annoying. Adam has a history of doing better with slower songs than with dance songs; compare wwfm with iihy or fye. "Fuck" could be a problem but they could dub over it or bleep it, so that's not a big deal. Of course it's not urban! Adam's NOT urban! The closest thing to urban on this album is Shady. He isn't trying to do urban! He's a white male trying to break into Pop. There are only 2 others (that are not in a group right now) Beiber and Bruno. Oh, and Olly Murs is making headway, but he has that UK thing going for him! |
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Post by evamaria on Jul 19, 2012 11:07:16 GMT -5
It's not urban. It's a genre that nowadays a woman would sing, not a man. Many people (of my acquaintance) find the repeated "cuckoo" annoying. Adam has a history of doing better with slower songs than with dance songs; compare wwfm with iihy or fye. "Fuck" could be a problem but they could dub over it or bleep it, so that's not a big deal. Of course it's not urban! Adam's NOT urban! The closest thing to urban on this album is Shady. He isn't trying to do urban! He's a white male trying to break into Pop. There are only 2 others (that are not in a group right now) Beiber and Bruno. Oh, and Olly Murs is making headway, but he has that UK thing going for him! That's exactly what I meant by risky. Bieber is very young, and he flirts with urban. Bruno does not, and Adam is closest to Bruno. If pds think inside the box, then giving them a "woman's" song by a gay artist making a comeback is not a wise idea. He and his label went with Bruno all the way. What fucked it up was the release strategy and lack of promotion, not the songs. Adam is making a comeback. He was not huge when he left. He's idol. He's gay. The second era was never going to be easy. |
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Post by tigerlily on Jul 19, 2012 13:07:55 GMT -5
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Post by evamaria on Jul 19, 2012 14:03:10 GMT -5
That's an interesting list The artists who do dance-pop are Timberlake, Maroon 5, and Harris. Timberlake's last hit was years ago. Maroon's 5's last hit before Voice was back in 2004. Moves Like Jagger and Payphone made it because of Levine's visibility on the Voice; this is why I hope that Adam gets idol. Calvin Harris moved to the US after smashing in Ireland and the UK, so he would not be considered typical. Mayer, Mraz, Bruno, and Gavin DeGraw have had success primarily with singer-songwriter songs, not with dance music. |
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Post by swarm on Jul 20, 2012 3:19:34 GMT -5
[/b] NAL? Gurl please! hahaha[/color] ...had Top 20 CHR hits. [/quote] Who else ya got? :D Like Adam says, most of the people serving what he's trying to serve are women. And if having a Top 20 song on CHR were considered a "hit" why is BTIKM called a flop single? |
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Post by csharpminor on Jul 20, 2012 4:11:35 GMT -5
billboard 200
trespassing at #171 (lw #165)
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Post by riversend on Jul 20, 2012 8:18:35 GMT -5
And if having a Top 20 song on CHR were considered a "hit" why is BTIKM called a flop single?
BTIKM never made it to the top 20 on CHR. It peaked at #50. John Mayer has had at least one top ten pop song. It did come all the way back in 2002. Daughtry's song No Surprise peaked a #9 in 2009. Gavin DeGraw just missed the top ten this year with I'm not Over You peaking at #11 for a few weeks. NAL peaked at #10 in 2009. |
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Post by crazyoldgal on Jul 20, 2012 9:23:51 GMT -5
ahh... I see a little spike on AMazon...was as high as 66 now at 72. BUt still a sale is a sale, hopefully keeping him in the top 200.
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Post by evamaria on Jul 20, 2012 9:48:33 GMT -5
Who else ya got? :D Like Adam says, most of the people serving what he's trying to serve are women. And if having a Top 20 song on CHR were considered a "hit" why is BTIKM called a flop single? Yes, most of the people serving his type of music are women. Given the prejudice against gay men, that doesn't help him. His song went to 17 on HAC, not CHR. HAC has fewer listeners than CHR, so a song has to make top ten on HAC to get the audience impression (potential listeners) it needs to sell. I think the required number is at least ten million in audience impression. If he'd made it to top 20 on CHR, no one would be calling it a flop |
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