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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 5:08:35 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand the difference between appropriation and pandering, and Adam's opinion about it, but I can't. He seemed all for cultural appropriation, because he said: "This whole cultural appropriation debate is so 20 years ago. Our cultures r BLENDING. A new, open minded/hearted generation is on the rise." I remember, when he tweeted that, that I wanted to ask him if he would have felt the same if it had been gay culture that was being appropriated. But he keeps silently supporting Azealia Banks, by tweeting here and there about her, who is his friend, in her feud with Iggy Azalea (here is a brief history of it, if you want to know link ), and who is very much against cultural appropriation. And finally, Adam also said, "Anyone find it interesting how straight male Pop stars r pandering to gay audiences lately!? Should we be flattered? Progress or strategy?"(he said it a while ago, but it is incidentally in today's news, and I've been thinking about it since then, so) and some people were up and arms about it. Irrespective of the word he used, 'pandering', I found the most important part of his statement to be the last bit, 'progress or strategy', where he doesn't question the motives of the 'panderers', he's already established them, calling them a strategy, but wondering if their pandering, as morally questionable as it is, could and should be taken for a progress, as in some way it most certainly is. So, Adam is for appropriation, but against pandering? It is clear to me that for Adam, there is a distinct line between these two things, but I just can't seem to see it. Is it about the motives? If you're doing it for strategy, it's pandering, and if you're incorporating other culture's elements into your art for artistic purposes only, it's appropriation? I get it then, if it's true:)
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Post by nic42 on Dec 23, 2014 5:42:55 GMT -5
For me as a non-native speaker, I have turned to the internet to find out what the definition of 'pandering' is. Wikipedia says:
"Pandering is the act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal. The term is most notably associated with politics. In pandering, the views one is verbally expressing are merely for the purpose of drawing support up to and including votes and do not necessarily reflect one's personal values."
I think the difference for Adam might well lie in that last sentence. 'do not necessarily reflect one's personal values'. If somebody would feel honestly attracted to gay culture, or inspired by it, and uses elements from that culture, it shouldn't be a problem. But when somebody sits in a boardroom and decides to act more 'gay' to sell more of his product, that feels dishonest. For me the difference would indeed be in the motive, and whether somebody is true to him- or herself.
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