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Post by cheriemelissa on Jun 15, 2016 8:53:02 GMT -5
The getlitbitch beautiful obituary for her brother Eric Ortiz, then Adam's comment and her response has teared me up again. Could you post it please! ETA: Never mind, I found it!
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Post by wal on Jun 15, 2016 8:58:27 GMT -5
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Post by cassie on Jun 15, 2016 9:01:23 GMT -5
ETA: This is just my opinion, my reflections, not facts or declarations. Scroll if you wish.
First, let me preface this by saying I was not a Queen fan back in the day. I was not against them, and I enjoyed some of the big hits, but I never bought any of their records. I was pretty straight laced back then, and I think Freddie was a little too weird for me.
So recently, I decided to watch some of the old Queen concerts on YouTube in order to try and understand better what the mania about Freddie was all about. I was surprised to see that Freddie's performance and Adam's were actually quite different. I hadn't thought that Adam was in any way copying Freddie of course, but the whole feeling was different. And because Freddie's performance was so different from Adam's, the whole Queen performance felt different as well.
The classic Queen performances were raw and gritty and in your face. Forgive me for a uttering sacrilege, but they looked to me to be Freddie Mercury performances with some really good guys as a backing band. I did not notice Freddie interacting with the other band members much, nor the other band members interacting with the audience. Freddie's performance was high intensity, even manic. Despite him sometimes wearing ballet costumes, his movements were far from graceful. He was like a peacock, and he totally consumed that stage. Freddie's voice was powerful and in your face, but I wouldn't call it either pretty or refined. It was certainly all stadium rock and roll.
Queen + Adam Lambert looks, sounds, and feels like a different animal. It is a theatrical production, a spectacle. Classy. Royal. Regal. Polished. Like Freddie, Adam is compelling to watch, but for different reasons. His costume choices are more edgy high fashion than quirky individualism. Adam and Freddie can both stalk a stage, but Adam is a graceful panther as opposed to Freddie's strutting peacock.
Queen + Adam is visibly a collaborative effort. Adam, true to his musical theater training, shares the stage with Brian and Roger as equally important characters in the show. Brian and Roger have stepped out of the background, and embrace the spotlight comfortably and happily.
As for Adam's voice, it is highly trained, highly controlled, perhaps even calculated. He has considerable power like Freddie, but his tone is refined and pure, not raw and risky. I can see and hear his classical background. Whereas Freddie throws his songs out to the audience with abandon, Adam performs the songs as he would on a musical theater stage. Adam assumes different characters to tell the songs' stories in three acts.
Freddie and Adam both transparently love performing for and with a crowd. But I think Adam smiles a lot more, glowing with joy. In fact, the whole Queen + Adam experience seems infused with delight and joy that they are still out there, doing what they love more than anything, after all these years.
I now see why some fans feel obligated to say these new shows are not really Queen, and Adam can never be Freddie. How could he be? How could it be? It's a different time. In the world, in music, and in their lives. Adam is a different type of performer than Freddie. But, this iteration of QAL WORKS. On its own. Not as a recreation or as Karaoke or as only nostalgia. This is old, but new again. Classic Queen was great and unique. So is QAL.
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Post by adamrocks on Jun 15, 2016 9:17:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 9:25:35 GMT -5
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Post by melliemom on Jun 15, 2016 9:30:23 GMT -5
ETA: This is just my opinion, my reflections, not facts or declarations. Scroll if you wish. First, let me preface this by saying I was not a Queen fan back in the day. I was not against them, and I enjoyed some of the big hits, but I never bought any of their records. I was pretty straight laced back then, and I think Freddie was a little too weird for me. So recently, I decided to watch some of the old Queen concerts on YouTube in order to try and understand better what the mania about Freddie was all about. I was surprised to see that Freddie's performance and Adam's were actually quite different. I hadn't thought that Adam was in any way copying Freddie of course, but the whole feeling was different. And because Freddie's performance was so different from Adam's, the whole Queen performance felt different as well. The classic Queen performances were raw and gritty and in your face. Forgive me for a uttering sacrilege, but they looked to me to be Freddie Mercury performances with some really good guys as a backing band. I did not notice Freddie interacting with the other band members much, nor the other band members interacting with the audience. Freddie's performance was high intensity, even manic. Despite him sometimes wearing ballet costumes, his movements were far from graceful. He was like a peacock, and he totally consumed that stage. Freddie's voice was powerful and in your face, but I wouldn't call it either pretty or refined. It was certainly all stadium rock and roll. Queen + Adam Lambert looks, sounds, and feels like a different animal. It is a theatrical production, a spectacle. Classy. Royal. Regal. Polished. Like Freddie, Adam is compelling to watch, but for different reasons. His costume choices are more edgy high fashion than quirky individualism. Adam and Freddie can both stalk a stage, but Adam is a graceful panther as opposed to Freddie's strutting peacock. Queen + Adam is visibly a collaborative effort. Adam, true to his musical theater training, shares the stage with Brian and Roger as equally important characters in the show. Brian and Roger have stepped out of the background, and embrace the spotlight comfortably and happily. As for Adam's voice, it is highly trained, highly controlled, perhaps even calculated. He has considerable power like Freddie, but his tone is refined and pure, not raw and risky. I can see and hear his classical background. Whereas Freddie throws his songs out to the audience with abandon, Adam performs the songs as he would on a musical theater stage. Adam assumes different characters to tell the songs' stories in three acts. Freddie and Adam both transparently love performing for and with a crowd. But I think Adam smiles a lot more, glowing with joy. In fact, the whole Queen + Adam experience seems infused with delight and joy that they are still out there, doing what they love more than anything, after all these years. I now see why some fans feel obligated to say these new shows are not really Queen, and Adam can never be Freddie. How could he be? How could it be? It's a different time. In the world, in music, and in their lives. Adam is a different type of performer than Freddie. But, this iteration of QAL WORKS. On its own. Not as a recreation or as Karaoke or as only nostalgia. This is old, but new again. Classic Queen was great and unique. So is QAL. I think you really got it.. you put the difference into words beautifully thank you... IMHO,Freddie could not be like the old Freddie in today's music scene.. Voice wise certainly,personality wise sure ,costume wise NOPE and NOPE.. He would be dated Maybe Brian and Roger are sooo happy because they finally get to play their music with a great frontman & are the stars of their own production..As far as Adam I agree,I guess you can take the man out of the theatre but you can't take the theater out of the man. For me that's everything ,since I grew up going to Broadway shows my whole childhood and my mother belonged to a local opera group as their lead singer.I never got into Queen until Adam . I do think the Queen songs totally suit Adam's voice and personality.In fact they are my favorite Adam songs
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Post by mehitabel on Jun 15, 2016 9:31:12 GMT -5
ETA: This is just my opinion, my reflections, not facts or declarations. Scroll if you wish. First, let me preface this by saying I was not a Queen fan back in the day. I was not against them, and I enjoyed some of the big hits, but I never bought any of their records. I was pretty straight laced back then, and I think Freddie was a little too weird for me. So recently, I decided to watch some of the old Queen concerts on YouTube in order to try and understand better what the mania about Freddie was all about. I was surprised to see that Freddie's performance and Adam's were actually quite different. I hadn't thought that Adam was in any way copying Freddie of course, but the whole feeling was different. And because Freddie's performance was so different from Adam's, the whole Queen performance felt different as well. The classic Queen performances were raw and gritty and in your face. Forgive me for a uttering sacrilege, but they looked to me to be Freddie Mercury performances with some really good guys as a backing band. I did not notice Freddie interacting with the other band members much, nor the other band members interacting with the audience. Freddie's performance was high intensity, even manic. Despite him sometimes wearing ballet costumes, his movements were far from graceful. He was like a peacock, and he totally consumed that stage. Freddie's voice was powerful and in your face, but I wouldn't call it either pretty or refined. It was certainly all stadium rock and roll. Queen + Adam Lambert looks, sounds, and feels like a different animal. It is a theatrical production, a spectacle. Classy. Royal. Regal. Polished. Like Freddie, Adam is compelling to watch, but for different reasons. His costume choices are more edgy high fashion than quirky individualism. Adam and Freddie can both stalk a stage, but Adam is a graceful panther as opposed to Freddie's strutting peacock. Queen + Adam is visibly a collaborative effort. Adam, true to his musical theater training, shares the stage with Brian and Roger as equally important characters in the show. Brian and Roger have stepped out of the background, and embrace the spotlight comfortably and happily. As for Adam's voice, it is highly trained, highly controlled, perhaps even calculated. He has considerable power like Freddie, but his tone is refined and pure, not raw and risky. I can see and hear his classical background. Whereas Freddie throws his songs out to the audience with abandon, Adam performs the songs as he would on a musical theater stage. Adam assumes different characters to tell the songs' stories in three acts. Freddie and Adam both transparently love performing for and with a crowd. But I think Adam smiles a lot more, glowing with joy. In fact, the whole Queen + Adam experience seems infused with delight and joy that they are still out there, doing what they love more than anything, after all these years. I now see why some fans feel obligated to say these new shows are not really Queen, and Adam can never be Freddie. How could he be? How could it be? It's a different time. In the world, in music, and in their lives. Adam is a different type of performer than Freddie. But, this iteration of QAL WORKS. On its own. Not as a recreation or as Karaoke or as only nostalgia. This is old, but new again. Classic Queen was great and unique. So is QAL. Well said. I was a big Queen fan, but like you I found Freddie a bit "uncomfortable" to watch. I could listen all day. I love both versions and you have put much of my reasoning into words ????
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Post by krazykay on Jun 15, 2016 9:39:07 GMT -5
Yes Cassie well said...I too enjoyed Queen songs but was never a follower of the group until now. This post can speak for me also
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 9:43:14 GMT -5
Here here! And aren't Roger and Brian a joy to watch! I can not even imagine how they must feel! I often wonder who is getting more out of this, Adam or Brian & Roger?
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Post by nonchallance on Jun 15, 2016 9:52:26 GMT -5
#FLD - sick of the whole damned with faint praise. Less than used to be but why they can't just say "Adam you were great". Period. It takes nothing away from Freddie. His legacy is secure. I know it's part of the territory of the gig. Still bugs me. Laughing that you brought back the #FLD. I searched ATOP the other day for the hashtag because I couldn't remember the exact letter sequence. It was after one of the reviews that reminded me why I don't read reviews. You're right, it seems to happen less often, although how would I know since I again stopped reading reviews, but it doesn't make it less annoying. I like it when folks here copy/paste the text and then bold the Adam praise parts which is all I read, all the gain without the pain. Every time when I see this quote I roll my eyes and think "No shit Sherlock". It's big time for some people to realize that this entire FLD thing became a caricature and ridicules verey reviewer who is using this phrase. No, Adam is not Freddie, no one has ever really thought that he is Freddie, seriously after 4 years everyone and their dog knows that "he is not Freddie".
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