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Post by 3ku1 on Dec 3, 2016 22:35:10 GMT -5
I'm following up on Q3's theme of the day. I've been very casually following the career of Melanie Martinez since she was a contestant on The Voice a few seasons ago. I thought she was very creative on that show and she now produces visually interesting videos. Even though she does not have big hit songs, she seems to be doing well online. I'm impressed that her most recent video just released on Dec 1 already has 5,860,496 views. The Adam connection is that she opened for him in Australia during the TOH tour. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkri1NUq9roAnd NZ :D
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Post by happy on Dec 3, 2016 22:40:32 GMT -5
And then there is Alessia Cara who has been having pop mainstream success. I'm pretty sure she was in a Jingle Ball with Adam last year. Most recently, Billboard announced that singer-songwriter Alessia Cara will be honored at this year's Women in Music event with the "Rule Breaker" award.
Alessia is Canadian and I am always amazed that Canada with its fairly small population produces these musical artists who are at the top of their genre (not that Alessia is yet). But right now Canada has exported Justin Bieber, Drake, Michael Buble, Celine Dion, and The Weeknd and Shawn Mendes who are fairly new to the scene. Oh Canada!!
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Post by bamafan on Dec 3, 2016 22:44:54 GMT -5
Melanie Martinez is interesting. I got to see her open for Adam for 6 shows in Australia...and we ran into her at our old and kinda dated hotel in Nashville for TOHT in the hallway. She's a teeny little thing and really sweet. We asked her if she was going to see Adam at The Ryman and she said she couldn't because had a show at another venue in Nashville. I agree, her videos are really, really good. Doll House is heading for 100 million views. She has a passionate mostly young girl audience...at least in Australia. It's interesting how she's not on radio and tours smaller venues...but has a good online following on Youtube, etc.
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Post by melliemom on Dec 3, 2016 22:55:27 GMT -5
3ku1,I have to agree to disagree, I find Shoshanna to be on top of her job in regards to Adam... If Adam didn't think so I'm sure she wouldn't be part of his team.He seems to be very smart in regards to his career. Shoshanna ,IMHO ,works very hard for Adam when there is something to shout about...and she seems to share a lot with the fans when possible.I really enjoy when she includes us.. Some fans have asked how we can help promote Adam...Each to his/her own.. I remember going to stores and counting how many albums were left on the music shelves and moving Adam's music up front.. Sounds crazy,but for Adam ,the moon. mellliemom, I think you have your reply to the wrong quoted person. 3Ku agrees with you OOOPs sorry I meant 1jun 14 LOl....agree with you 3ku
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Post by Craazyforadam on Dec 4, 2016 12:59:19 GMT -5
Some people have to second-guess Shoshanna's dedication, professionalism, competence, interest, interaction with certain people, non-interaction with certain people, etc. Not sure why, but here a few extra pointers that were not mentioned yet:
It is professional practice for publicists not to mention a competitor's name in public announcements, while their client is under contract with the other one. i.e., if Adam is between jobs on XFAU and potentially a performance on XFUK, then Shoshanna needs to pretend that the Voice does not exist when it comes to any promotion of Adam.
That the same Shoshanna may have other clients who at the same moment working on or with The Voice and therefore need to do the opposite promotion, is how this industry works. A trained publicist knows this, so does any professional on the receiving end of her tweets, i.e. media.
Btw, you could take the fact that these The Voice pictures did not get tweeted out by Shoshanna as a pretty good smoke signal, that there is indeed something to this present XFUK-finale rumor. Taking that as a slight against Adam instead is just why Glamberts are seen as a tad over-committed by the industry, at times.
Over the years, Shoshanna went out of her way to train some whiny Glamberts about this practice in the industry. Multiple occasions (i.e. Jimmy Fallon vs James Cordon) comes to mind, but clearly certain Glamberts believe the Adam, the eternal victim, is cheated and sold short by all professionals that surround him - sob story, and will not be deterred by facts or any other form of reasoning.
Secondly, it is only sensible for a publicist to lay low in times when there is nothing to promote, to not tire out the recipients of her news. Forward pictures, a few mentions, to keep the name on people's mind, but build up, when there is something to promote.
Thirdly, when Shoshanna tweets to engage the fanbase, she tends to often delete the tweet right after it was successful. Don't think she did it here. She knows what works. I was a tad surprised how openly she played the support Saara game. But then the show itself sent Saara on a radio promo tour with the argument that she does not have a city or local home-base to support her on a UK show, and therefore they gave her this extra promotion. I cannot imagine how this must have felt to the other contestants.
The bottom-line: X-factor is a casting show, not a game show, and people keep forgetting that. The show is allowed to blow their whole budget on one candidate, if they want to, and they sure seem to be determined to promote her to a win. Saara is getting standing ovations pretty much for every performance right now, no matter how the vocals, and no they were not all brilliant. She is clearly the judge's favorite, they are not even hiding it and she seems to get about 90 % of the staging budget from what it looks like. Whether something like this can backfire with the voters, is another question. But in the realm of things, Shoshanna's tweet is rather harmless compared to the rest of bias that seems to be going on quite openly. This behavior devalues such shows, turns them from a competition to just a per-determined musical platform, and ratings seem to show that viewers have sorted that out, but they obviously have run out of ideas how to turn this around.
Now, it happens so, that I have listened to the final four candidates this year, and there are two very weak ones, and two clearly stronger ones. So, these weaker ones can go home and no crime against the arts would have been committed. I suspect that one of them has a strong voting base, otherwise all this extra leverage for Saara would not be needed. And clearly they think it is needed, unfortunately. She deserves to be in the final, so therefore I don't have a problem with this outcome. The fact that Adam might benefit from this, happens to be what brings this whole story to my attention, because obviously, I would know nothing about XFUK without that.
I wonder how these talent shows engage musical acts when they cannot guarantee the performance slot, but need to book and secure the date anyhow? How many weeks before the finale did Queen engage with idol in 2009? And how are these contracts set up? Is there a fee due, if the performance does not happen, because the contestant gets eliminated? I would assume so.
In similar fashion, at this point, I assume that Adam is under some contract with XFUK, contingent upon Saara going through to the finals. This might give Adam a few days in the UK, a chance to meet with his publicist and maybe a few other people he wants to see. Maybe he and Queen can discuss 2017, now that Brian starts to look into the future again, it all sounds like a wonderful opportunity. So, I hope it happens. My illusion of a fair competition was lost somewhere back in 2009. And neither the recent run on XFAU nor this ongoing circus in UK is bringing any of that back.
But I would love a beautiful theatrical finale performance with Adam supporting Saara. It is time for theatrical and bold Adam again, imo.
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Post by bud4444 on Dec 4, 2016 13:25:15 GMT -5
Some people have to second-guess Shoshanna's dedication, professionalism, competence, interest, interaction with certain people, non-interaction with certain people, etc. Not sure why, but here a few extra pointers that were not mentioned yet: It is professional practice for publicists not to mention a competitor's name in public announcements, while their client is under contract with the other one. i.e., if Adam is between jobs on XFAU and potentially a performance on XFUK, then Shoshanna needs to pretend that the Voice does not exist when it comes to any promotion of Adam. That the same Shoshanna may have other clients who at the same moment working on or with The Voice and therefore need to do the opposite promotion, is how this industry works. A trained publicist knows this, so does any professional on the receiving end of her tweets, i.e. media. Btw, you could take the fact that these The Voice pictures did not get tweeted out by Shoshanna as a pretty good smoke signal, that there is indeed something to this present XFUK-finale rumor. Taking that as a slight against Adam instead is just why Glamberts are seen as a tad over-committed by the industry, at times. Over the years, Shoshanna went out of her way to train some whiny Glamberts about this practice in the industry. Multiple occasions (i.e. Jimmy Fallon vs James Cordon) comes to mind, but clearly certain Glamberts believe the Adam, the eternal victim, is cheated and sold short by all professionals that surround him - sob story, and will not be deterred by facts or any other form of reasoning. Secondly, it is only sensible for a publicist to lay low in times when there is nothing to promote, to not tire out the recipients of her news. Forward pictures, a few mentions, to keep the name on people's mind, but build up, when there is something to promote. Thirdly, when Shoshanna tweets to engage the fanbase, she tends to often delete the tweet right after it was successful. Don't think she did it here. She knows what works. I was a tad surprised how openly she played the support Saara game. But then the show itself sent Saara on a radio promo tour with the argument that she does not have a city or local home-base to support her on a UK show, and therefore they gave her this extra promotion. I cannot imagine how this must have felt to the other contestants. The bottom-line: X-factor is a casting show, not a game show, and people keep forgetting that. The show is allowed to blow their whole budget on one candidate, if they want to, and they sure seem to be determined to promote her to a win. Saara is getting standing ovations pretty much for every performance right now, no matter how the vocals, and no they were not all brilliant. She is clearly the judge's favorite, they are not even hiding it and she seems to get about 90 % of the staging budget from what it looks like. Whether something like this can backfire with the voters, is another question. But in the realm of things, Shoshanna's tweet is rather harmless compared to the rest of bias that seems to be going on quite openly. This behavior devalues such shows, turns them from a competition to just a per-determined musical platform, and ratings seem to show that viewers have sorted that out, but they obviously have run out of ideas how to turn this around. Now, it happens so, that I have listened to the final four candidates this year, and there are two very weak ones, and two clearly stronger ones. So, these weaker ones can go home and no crime against the arts would have been committed. I suspect that one of them has a strong voting base, otherwise all this extra leverage for Saara would not be needed. And clearly they think it is needed, unfortunately. She deserves to be in the final, so therefore I don't have a problem with this outcome. The fact that Adam might benefit from this, happens to be what brings this whole story to my attention, because obviously, I would know nothing about XFUK without that. I wonder how these talent shows engage musical acts when they cannot guarantee the performance slot, but need to book and secure the date anyhow? How many weeks before the finale did Queen engage with idol in 2009? And how are these contracts set up? Is there a fee due, if the performance does not happen, because the contestant gets eliminated? I would assume so. In similar fashion, at this point, I assume that Adam is under some contract with XFUK, contingent upon Saara going through to the finals. This might give Adam a few days in the UK, a chance to meet with his publicist and maybe a few other people he wants to see. Maybe he and Queen can discuss 2017, now that Brian starts to look into the future again, it all sounds like a wonderful opportunity. So, I hope it happens. My illusion of a fair competition was lost somewhere back in 2009. And neither the recent run on XFAU nor this ongoing circus in UK is bringing any of that back. But I would love a beautiful theatrical finale performance with Adam supporting Saara. It is time for theatrical and bold Adam again, imo.
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Post by bud4444 on Dec 4, 2016 13:37:08 GMT -5
I am doing something so wrong re trying to post a response from a previous quote ... but I wanted to say Queen was hired to sing with the top 2 and then the rest of the top 10 or 12 were in it too...... so wouldn't they have been retained regardless? It could have been a holy mess without Adam featured. It's Kiss that sang specifically with Adam in 2009..........Can't you just hear(and see ) Danny Gokey with Kiss In AI a bunch of the top people sang alone with someone special.......the top 4 or 5 maybe? I liked that finale.It was really fun.
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Post by chameleon on Dec 4, 2016 14:21:37 GMT -5
I'm fairly sure that Saara is the judges' favourite singer but not necessarily their favoured winner as she doesn't fall into any of the Syco favoured genres. Until the last couple of weeks she wasn't getting the massive praise and last night the 2 prior favourites were thoroughly 'de-pimped' which suggests that the judges were hoping their fanbases would react with an increase in votes for them. I've seen this strategy employed so many times on XFUK so forgive my cynicism!
Saara is at a disadvantage in not having natural support in the UK and historically, the highest any non-UK competitor has achieved is 3rd place. I don't think her staging is particularly excessive by XF standards - the person who was evicted last week had considerably more elaborate set-ups. Personally, I would like her to win as she's worked for years trying to make it in the business, has the best voice in the competition, is quirky and yes, theatrical. She's also professional and respectful and seems extremely appreciative of the support she's received so far. I really hope she makes the final 3 at least and (hopefully) duets with Adam.
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Post by happy on Dec 4, 2016 14:24:44 GMT -5
Melanie Martinez is interesting. I got to see her open for Adam for 6 shows in Australia...and we ran into her at our old and kinda dated hotel in Nashville for TOHT in the hallway. She's a teeny little thing and really sweet. We asked her if she was going to see Adam at The Ryman and she said she couldn't because had a show at another venue in Nashville. I agree, her videos are really, really good. Doll House is heading for 100 million views. She has a passionate mostly young girl audience...at least in Australia. It's interesting how she's not on radio and tours smaller venues...but has a good online following on Youtube, etc. What did you think of her show? I remember on The Voice she did not have the best or biggest voice, but she was very creative with her staging. I enjoyed her quirkiness too. I'm also curious about her audience. Did they stay to watch Adam and, if so, do you have any idea what they thought?
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Post by thelambertluvva on Dec 4, 2016 14:30:30 GMT -5
Some people have to second-guess Shoshanna's dedication, professionalism, competence, interest, interaction with certain people, non-interaction with certain people, etc. Not sure why, but here a few extra pointers that were not mentioned yet: It is professional practice for publicists not to mention a competitor's name in public announcements, while their client is under contract with the other one. i.e., if Adam is between jobs on XFAU and potentially a performance on XFUK, then Shoshanna needs to pretend that the Voice does not exist when it comes to any promotion of Adam. That the same Shoshanna may have other clients who at the same moment working on or with The Voice and therefore need to do the opposite promotion, is how this industry works. A trained publicist knows this, so does any professional on the receiving end of her tweets, i.e. media. Btw, you could take the fact that these The Voice pictures did not get tweeted out by Shoshanna as a pretty good smoke signal, that there is indeed something to this present XFUK-finale rumor. Taking that as a slight against Adam instead is just why Glamberts are seen as a tad over-committed by the industry, at times. Over the years, Shoshanna went out of her way to train some whiny Glamberts about this practice in the industry. Multiple occasions (i.e. Jimmy Fallon vs James Cordon) comes to mind, but clearly certain Glamberts believe the Adam, the eternal victim, is cheated and sold short by all professionals that surround him - sob story, and will not be deterred by facts or any other form of reasoning. Secondly, it is only sensible for a publicist to lay low in times when there is nothing to promote, to not tire out the recipients of her news. Forward pictures, a few mentions, to keep the name on people's mind, but build up, when there is something to promote. Thirdly, when Shoshanna tweets to engage the fanbase, she tends to often delete the tweet right after it was successful. Don't think she did it here. She knows what works. I was a tad surprised how openly she played the support Saara game. But then the show itself sent Saara on a radio promo tour with the argument that she does not have a city or local home-base to support her on a UK show, and therefore they gave her this extra promotion. I cannot imagine how this must have felt to the other contestants. The bottom-line: X-factor is a casting show, not a game show, and people keep forgetting that. The show is allowed to blow their whole budget on one candidate, if they want to, and they sure seem to be determined to promote her to a win. Saara is getting standing ovations pretty much for every performance right now, no matter how the vocals, and no they were not all brilliant. She is clearly the judge's favorite, they are not even hiding it and she seems to get about 90 % of the staging budget from what it looks like. Whether something like this can backfire with the voters, is another question. But in the realm of things, Shoshanna's tweet is rather harmless compared to the rest of bias that seems to be going on quite openly. This behavior devalues such shows, turns them from a competition to just a per-determined musical platform, and ratings seem to show that viewers have sorted that out, but they obviously have run out of ideas how to turn this around. Now, it happens so, that I have listened to the final four candidates this year, and there are two very weak ones, and two clearly stronger ones. So, these weaker ones can go home and no crime against the arts would have been committed. I suspect that one of them has a strong voting base, otherwise all this extra leverage for Saara would not be needed. And clearly they think it is needed, unfortunately. She deserves to be in the final, so therefore I don't have a problem with this outcome. The fact that Adam might benefit from this, happens to be what brings this whole story to my attention, because obviously, I would know nothing about XFUK without that. I wonder how these talent shows engage musical acts when they cannot guarantee the performance slot, but need to book and secure the date anyhow? How many weeks before the finale did Queen engage with idol in 2009? And how are these contracts set up? Is there a fee due, if the performance does not happen, because the contestant gets eliminated? I would assume so. In similar fashion, at this point, I assume that Adam is under some contract with XFUK, contingent upon Saara going through to the finals. This might give Adam a few days in the UK, a chance to meet with his publicist and maybe a few other people he wants to see. Maybe he and Queen can discuss 2017, now that Brian starts to look into the future again, it all sounds like a wonderful opportunity. So, I hope it happens. My illusion of a fair competition was lost somewhere back in 2009. And neither the recent run on XFAU nor this ongoing circus in UK is bringing any of that back. But I would love a beautiful theatrical finale performance with Adam supporting Saara. It is time for theatrical and bold Adam again, imo. I have now watched performances from all four finalists and I do like Saara the best. I would vote for her if I was in the UK and watching the show. Her last note in "My Heart Will Go On" gave me a vibe like Adam's last note in "Life on Mars". Resonant, sustained, and pitch-perfect. I think Adam's note was higher though. I did like Emily's six-chair challenge much better than Saara's. On about 0:37, I had to do a double-take, stop it there and examine it a few times. Anyone seeing what I am seeing? www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwkY8jgyhTM
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