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Post by pi on Dec 30, 2017 1:07:08 GMT -5
I am normally not big on these comparison videos, but this one is done in larger chunks, uses the best material available (Isle of Wright for Adam) and is therefore interesting, and deserves a view. Mainly for the contrast between these two excellent artists, who sound so amazingly different. Also, the comments are mostly respectful below, which is nice to see for a change. www.youtube.com/watch?v=85N0IbOmWpICassie, great comment! I'm assuming it's yours.. cassie's favsComparing Freddie's voice in studio over multiple takes with Adam's live is disingenuous. It would have been more equivalent to compare Freddie's performance live at Wembley www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwPyas2YKg0. The only problem is that Freddie sang it one pitch lower live than in the studio, and Adam retains the original key. So the two versions don't mesh back to back. As to who is the winner, their voices and techniques are significantly different. Which you PREFER is a matter of individual taste. The real winners are all of us who have the privilege of hearing the great Freddie Mercury on recordings, and the great Adam Lambert with Queen live in 2017.
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Post by cassie on Dec 30, 2017 1:07:37 GMT -5
Just for fun... YT recommended this version of WWTLF to me. Weird, vampire version, I guess. But I bring this over because it is sung by classically trained tenors. Comparing Freddie and Adam is like comparing apples and oranges because their voices and training are so different. But here, we can compare other classically trained tenors to Adam. Singers who say they sing operatic pop. More like comparing oranges and tangerines?? With my classical background, I don't expect Freddie to compare to Adam, vocally. But, these guys, maybe? They are good, but..... nope. Adam's voice has so much more purity and resonance of tone, so much more ring. Can you hear the difference? And yes, they sing the tune in a lower key than Adam, too. youtu.be/IbYG30ucL7Q?t=1m24swww.youtube.com/watch?v=bc-AmpIVJWM
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Post by cassie on Dec 30, 2017 1:09:30 GMT -5
Cassie, great comment! I'm assuming it's yours.. cassie's favsComparing Freddie's voice in studio over multiple takes with Adam's live is disingenuous. It would have been more equivalent to compare Freddie's performance live at Wembley www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwPyas2YKg0. The only problem is that Freddie sang it one pitch lower live than in the studio, and Adam retains the original key. So the two versions don't mesh back to back. As to who is the winner, their voices and techniques are significantly different. Which you PREFER is a matter of individual taste. The real winners are all of us who have the privilege of hearing the great Freddie Mercury on recordings, and the great Adam Lambert with Queen live in 2017. Yup, you caught me!
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 30, 2017 1:17:58 GMT -5
The Steel Magnolias movie was filmed in the small college town of Natchitoches, LA. Natchitoches, founded in 1714, is the oldest town, not only in the state of Louisiana, but in the entire Louisiana Purchase. I grew up in Natchitoches, from the 1st grade till I graduated from college. The movie was filmed after I moved away, but I heard so much about it from family still living there. Natchitoches is also the town where the real life story that the movie and play are based on occurred. In the movie, the name of the main character, who is diabetic, is Shelby. In real life it was Susan. Susan was a senior in high school when I was a freshman and we had one class together. Susan was first chair flute in band while I was last chair flute. I did not know her outside of this one class, or know her story until the movie came out. Susan was a nursing major at Northwestern State University of Louisiana where she spent the first 3 years in academic classes in Natchitoches. There is a 50% chance she took Human Anatomy and Human Physiology classes from my Dad who was a professor at NSU. Her last year would have been spent in clinical nursing classes/practicum in Shreveport, 70 miles to the North. I think she lived and worked in Shreveport after graduation. I do not know when in this time line she got married. If I remember correctly, the actual location of the beauty salon was used in the movie. The salon was 1 block from the house I lived in during 1st-3rd grades. And was a few blocks, less than 1/2 mile, from where Susan's family lived. However, a famous historical house in Natchitoches was used for Shelby's house in the movie rather than the actual house Susan lived in. There are lots of historical houses in and around Natchitoches, so I don't see this as being unfaithful to the real life story. The Christmas festival portrayed in the movie was an accurate July recreation of the real yearly Christmas festival that occured the first Saturday in December every year. It was a really big deal! People came from all over Louisiana and surrounding states for the famous Natchitoches Christmas Festival. I don't remember there being an Easter egg hunt, but this could have been added after I moved away and if so it would have been on the river bank location used in the movie. The cemetary in the movie is the main cemetery in town. In my opinion, the location and events used in the movie are very accurate to the real life story and enhance an understanding of the life of the characters in the story. I never saw the play, so I have no idea how it differs from the movie. But I can understand that someone who does not know the real story behind the play and movie would have no idea how the production choices made for the movie relates to the story. Dancey....I don't want to take up too much of the forum's space in something they are not interested in but wanted to explain myself. First of all...I thought it was clear I was speaking of the differences between a play and a film...not whether the 'events' in the play are fact or not. Most of Shakespeare's story lines are based in fact but it is not their factuality that makes them great...it is the way the story is told and the points it focusses your interest and attention that make them great. Here is the link to the author's comments re the play upon which the film is based: gardenandgun.com/feature/thirty-years-of-steel-magnolias/He explicitly explains that he chose to have the play take place in a beauty salon...and only the salon...where the men were not present, in order to showcase the strength, resilience, and supportive relationships of the disparate women who helped his sister, etc. That is what was so precious and special about the play....and what was totally not the same in the film. There is a difference between fact and truth...the film told the facts and the play showed the truth more closely as the author wanted it told. Does not demean the town or the truth...but for my money, the play was the more touching work of art. It was also a good film that I liked a lot...the play I loved. But hey...I am a hairstylist...there was an actual "hair script" for the play...I loaned my shop equipment for the play... Mszue, thanks for the interview link!!! I had not seen it before and it is a great read! Since I have not seen the play, I'll take your word that it better shows the nature of the relationships between the women. I hope someday I can see the play. But I don't think setting the movie only in the beauty salon would have worked at the box office since movie goers expect more action in movies. I surmise from the interview that the play focuses much less than the movie on Shelby's choice to have a child against medical advice and the horrific consequences of that choice. And I understand that this is secondary to the primary focus that the author gave both the play and movie. But this secondary story line has also been very powerful to many. I've talked to a number of people, both women with diabetes and men married to women with diabetes, who feared this would happen to them. I think the movie helped raise awareness of the disease.
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Post by pi on Dec 30, 2017 1:20:08 GMT -5
Just for fun... YT recommended this version of WWTLF to me. Weird, vampire version, I guess. But I bring this over because it is sung by classically trained tenors. Comparing Freddie and Adam is like comparing apples and oranges because their voices and training are so different. But here, we can compare other classically trained tenors to Adam. Singers who say they sing operatic pop. More like comparing oranges and tangerines?? With my classical background, I don't expect Freddie to compare to Adam, vocally. But, these guys, maybe? They are good, but..... nope. Adam's voice has so much more purity and resonance of tone, so much more ring. Can you hear the difference? And yes, they sing the tune in a lower key than Adam, too. I'm curious why the tenors would sing the song in a lower key than Adam, since they are tenors like Adam? Cassie, those were really good points you made in the comments to the comparison video.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 30, 2017 1:45:08 GMT -5
Here's another version of WWTLF by another group of classical trained men (but not all tenors). I like this version by Il Divo better than the version by The Tenors (formerly called The Canadian Tenors). www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQKKcIYq4oMCassie, how much lower do they sing this version than the original?
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Post by cassie on Dec 30, 2017 1:52:19 GMT -5
Just for fun... YT recommended this version of WWTLF to me. Weird, vampire version, I guess. But I bring this over because it is sung by classically trained tenors. Comparing Freddie and Adam is like comparing apples and oranges because their voices and training are so different. But here, we can compare other classically trained tenors to Adam. Singers who say they sing operatic pop. More like comparing oranges and tangerines?? With my classical background, I don't expect Freddie to compare to Adam, vocally. But, these guys, maybe? They are good, but..... nope. Adam's voice has so much more purity and resonance of tone, so much more ring. Can you hear the difference? And yes, they sing the tune in a lower key than Adam, too. I'm curious why the tenors would sing the song in a lower key than Adam, since they are tenors like Adam? Cassie, those were really good points you made in the comments to the comparison video. Ah. There's the rub. Even tho' they are classically trained and tenors, they are NOT tenors like Adam. Adam is a special type of tenor, referred to as leggiero tenor in classical music. They have a higher range than other tenors, and a brighter, livelier tone on top with an almost baritone sound in their low register. Very rare. And even among leggiero tenors, I think Adam's tone is exceptional. It has so many harmonic overtones to it. That's why I brought this VT over. To illustrate that even accounting for training and technique, Adam is extraordinary.
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Post by cassie on Dec 30, 2017 1:58:23 GMT -5
Here's another version of WWTLF by another group of classical trained men (but not all tenors). I like this version by Il Divo better than the version by The Tenors (formerly called The Canadian Tenors). www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQKKcIYq4oMCassie, how much lower do they sing this version than the original? It is a major third lower. Adam sings it in the original key of E minor. Il Divo sings it in C minor.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 30, 2017 2:05:59 GMT -5
... Cassie, how much lower do they sing this version than the original? It is a major third lower. Adam sings it in the original key of E minor. Il Divo sings it in C minor. And what key do The Tenors and Freddie live sing it in?
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