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Post by Holst on Jan 25, 2018 0:28:05 GMT -5
Can you or Holst recommend an example of Adam using falsetto? All I know of is the one song on TOH album--can't remember off the top of my head which song but someone else will. He said Max Martin and Shellback encouraged him to do it. When he sang that song live, however, the falsetto was pretty iffy and not solidly performed. So he went back to singing in his head voice--which sounds great. If they were looking for a lighter sound, he can do that already. I don't object to falsetto, but he doesn't really need it since he already has great control in his upper range.
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Post by 3ku1 on Jan 25, 2018 0:33:09 GMT -5
His falsetto sounds alot better then his head voice. And like said it is kinda silly to think this well be his whole album. I hardly doubt that. I agree if he wants mainstream success. If bringing back his vocals a bit. So it is a bit more restrained. Brings him that success. Then go for it Adam!
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Post by bridgeymah on Jan 25, 2018 0:50:51 GMT -5
You know just because he is using falsetto is one of his songs. Does not mean it is Danger Danger Danger LOL. We don't even know what the genre is yet. Or what type of song he is singing. For we know he is singing in his head voice on another song. IT seems kinda pointless to have gripes about Adam using his falsetto. When it could just be in the chorus or any part of the song. I really don't think it matters. Not griping about Adam, just don't like that style of singing. It's his music and he can do what he wants.
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Post by Holst on Jan 25, 2018 1:04:00 GMT -5
For those who are interested, here is a trained singers blog on falsetto and Adam is used in many examples. Bass Ass Alter EgoShe says: "Where it can become complicated is picking out what is head voice and what is falsetto. With Adam this is particularly difficult as his natural voice is so high, so you can’t assume that when he’s singing in a certain pitch, it’s always falsetto. If you hear a baritone voice singing falsetto, then it’s very obvious as the sound is completely different. Also, because of Adam’s vocal training, it sounds to me as though he is capable of mixing head resonance on to falsetto in the same way as a classical singer, so sometimes it’s hard to distinguish one from the other." The first video is a fan video of him singing TOH in falsetto, but it is slightly out of tune. He quickly quit using it in his live performances.
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Post by marionm on Jan 25, 2018 1:13:04 GMT -5
pulling back vocals to have mainstream success??!!! No great vocalist has ever gained mainstream success by pulling it back...Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Kelly Clarkson, Mariah Carey, (Sarah Connor), Meatloaf...not to mention QUEEN!!!...sorry, but just For all we know Adam still likes to sing "bombastic" and he did pull it back on TOH...my guess is that despite this tweet, we'll hear Adam letting it rip...ok...alot of my hope is in there too but he DID say he misses SANGIN' in pop I justdon't see Adam castrating himself like that...thevery thing that EVER had the power to replace gay as an adjective to his name was VOICE
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Post by Craazyforadam on Jan 25, 2018 2:08:03 GMT -5
His falsetto sounds alot better then his head voice. And like said it is kinda silly to think this well be his whole album. I hardly doubt that. I agree if he wants mainstream success. If bringing back his vocals a bit. So it is a bit more restrained. Brings him that success. Then go for it Adam! Your opinion, that it sounds better, for sure, but just not an opinion that seems widely shared in this core fan base here. But overall probably quite a popular opinion, so you are certainly not alone. A typical pop listeners would be very familiar with the falsetto sound from other singers, so it may be more pleasant to their ears than it is to mine and probably also drives the interest in this style to a large degree. Nobody said that Adam would do a whole album in falsetto, the comments about using a lot of falsetto were made in response to his tweet that he is embracing it, whatever that means in quantity, we don't know. Actually, I earlier called falsetto the angsty voice, and after thinking about it a bit more, I actually don't think that captures it correctly. Falsetto has the word 'false' in it, and that is why it can be used to express a certain emotional unease. Not so much angst, rather fakeness and/or uncertainty. Holst just posted a link that leads to the Loaded Smile performance from River Rock, which brilliantly demonstrates this. Obviously, in LS, Adam sings about this time, when a relationship is not anymore what it was, but both sides still keep up their smiles, nobody has expressed yet the emotional separation that has started to happen, hence the 'Loaded Smile'. And for this topic, a 'false' voice is of course well suited. But singing long passages of the song in falsetto created that sense of discomfort in the listener that ended up making the LS a less popular song with most people. LS always was at the low end of listening numbers, never at the high end. I think that many did not quite make the connection between the song's meaning and this vocal style, but Adam surely intended it that way. In the live performance, he is now improvising and modulating around that original version and sings with all kinds of different styles and also reaches over into that more bluesy or wailing rock singing that so many of us here love. That is certainly a direction that I would love to hear from him more. Take a listen: www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=286&v=hawE_papYd8He uses all kinds of vocal styles here, and blends them together as only Adam can. Nobody can reach him here, tbh. Absolutely amazing. Adam can sing with strong emotion in so many types of voices, it is quite incredible. For example, when he sang 'Stay' in Korea, it is so hauntingly real, so heartfelt, and also clear that he was singing it to Sauli at the time. This song has no range at all, certainly no high notes, yet Adam can inject enormous emotional longing into his vocals, and you can sense how much he feels exactly what he is singing. He does not need any high vocals to do so. Same during IICHY on idol. He uses mostly dynamics and the very slowed down tempo to express his emotions and he has control over every note he sings. He does not need falsetto to say any of this. Hope that explains it a bit better. And yes, as we all know, his expression as an artist, and his choices, it's just a discussion here. Oh, and the song from TOH where he started out with falsetto, but over time switched more and more to head voice instead, is TOH itself.
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Post by lurleene on Jan 25, 2018 2:16:58 GMT -5
pulling back vocals to have mainstream success??!!! No great vocalist has ever gained mainstream success by pulling it back...Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Kelly Clarkson, Mariah Carey, (Sarah Connor), Meatloaf...not to mention QUEEN!!!...sorry, but just For all we know Adam still likes to sing "bombastic" and he did pull it back on TOH...my guess is that despite this tweet, we'll hear Adam letting it rip...ok...alot of my hope is in there too but he DID say he misses SANGIN' in pop I justdon't see Adam castrating himself like that...thevery thing that EVER had the power to replace gay as an adjective to his name was VOICE Yep. MM asked him to pull it back and sing more falsetto for TOH but he got no more radio play in the US than he had before. If he pulls it back even more then he will be closer to the weak voiced male singers. Who wants that from Adam Lambert? And doing that will not guarantee him more success. So he might as well give what he is known for (extraordinary vocalist) and distance himself from the average. And falsetto is NOT his biggest strength or what has brought him the accolades for his vocals. He is known for being a solo artist but also as the Queen frontman. Showing why they picked him, and having people rave about his vocals, is not a bad thing to display for his own material, imo.
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Post by 3ku1 on Jan 25, 2018 3:02:40 GMT -5
pulling back vocals to have mainstream success??!!! No great vocalist has ever gained mainstream success by pulling it back...Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Kelly Clarkson, Mariah Carey, (Sarah Connor), Meatloaf...not to mention QUEEN!!!...sorry, but just For all we know Adam still likes to sing "bombastic" and he did pull it back on TOH...my guess is that despite this tweet, we'll hear Adam letting it rip...ok...alot of my hope is in there too but he DID say he misses SANGIN' in pop I justdon't see Adam castrating himself like that...thevery thing that EVER had the power to replace gay as an adjective to his name was VOICE Yep. MM asked him to pull it back and sing more falsetto for TOH but he got no more radio play in the US than he had before. If he pulls it back even more then he will be closer to the weak voiced male singers. Who wants that from Adam Lambert? And doing that will not guarantee him more success. So he might as well give what he is known for (extraordinary vocalist) and distance himself from the average. And falsetto is NOT his biggest strength or what has brought him the accolades for his vocals. He is known for being a solo artist but also as the Queen frontman. Showing why they picked him, and having people rave about his vocals, is not a bad thing to display for his own material, imo. I Think your missing the point here. No one here is asking Adam to hold back, or bring his voice back. Or not let it all out. People are just saying by utilizing his falsetto more. Like in TOH. That can bring him mainstream success or more of. I mean other then WWFM and GT. Has Adam had that much mainstream success? Not really. Those songs he is utilizing his falsetto more. I think some are overreacting here. He is not going to make an album completly in his falsetto. FYI not sure why your referencing TOH. It was never released in the US. It was released in OZ. SO not sure your example is a good one at all. And no one is saying his falsetto is what brought him success. Their is just some who like to see him utilize it more.
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