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Post by loxie on Jun 2, 2018 15:35:25 GMT -5
Love it! Thanks for posting it! I LOVE this! This field has been pretty much my whole career. and mine, girldrummer. Started in Madison, WI, then Milwaukee, St. Louis, and Phoenix. Pretty talented staff, aren't they?
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Post by svca on Jun 2, 2018 15:56:54 GMT -5
Hah, that library video was awesome; thanks for posting that. Where other teens went to parties and games, my teen self went to the library. I could spend hours there. Such a place of adventure for an introvert. As I got older I ran out of books to read at one location, so I would start exploring the other libraries in the county, checking out usually at least a dozen or more books at a time.
To this day, reading is my favorite hobby....I'm never without my Kindle. We don't have a TV, and I haven't watched a movie in ages, but my Kindle is always in my hands.
Love libraries...magical places!
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Post by Q3 on Jun 2, 2018 16:14:31 GMT -5
ONG!!! Q3 are you trying to kill us today?? That picture!!! That might be the banner for the rest of the week. It is possibly my favorite Adam picture so far.
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Post by Q3 on Jun 2, 2018 16:18:35 GMT -5
I really like how Adam looks right now. He seems to have everything in balance in this photo.
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Post by lurleene on Jun 2, 2018 16:29:45 GMT -5
I really like how Adam looks right now. He seems to have everything in balance in this photo. Yes, yes, yes! That is a wonderful look. Hair on the sides and up off the forehead. One of my favorite looks on him. Also, very good earlier post Craazyforadam. I agree with you 100%.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 16:46:16 GMT -5
Hello everyone! A few days ago I arrived to St. Louis, MO and I'm gonna be here for 12 months! Anything interesting to do here? Anyone wants to meet for a coffee? The best thing was that i landed at Lambert airport Vilynka, Sorry to say I’m not close to St Louis but went to school there a couple of years and there is so much to do. Can you say what you’ll be doing for the year? I know there are some members in the area, maybe they can make some current recs for interesting adventures.
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Post by Q3 on Jun 2, 2018 16:52:44 GMT -5
My take on it: People had no idea, who Adam was before idol. They just got to know him. And Idol rightfully showed him singing and performing. His sexuality wasn’t of any interest for the show. And although regular viewers, who really followed Adam, might have had an idea, I don’t think that means, that he was out to the public. I mean, there are some celebrities, who are suspected to be gay, because of their outfits ect. But as long as they don’t state it officially, they are not out. There is thankfully a line, that allows people to stay in the closet, if they wish to do so. But that is not true of what happened here in the US. While he was competing they were showing on the news pictures of him kissing his ex-boyfriend. There was an entire panel discussing it on Fox. The ladies were in support of his talent and saying it would make no difference. But Bill O'Rielly was insisting that middle America might have an issue with him winning. It was obvious that he was trying to influence the vote against him. Adam said Idol was supportive of him when the pictures hit and it looked as if it would cost him. Adam himself said he thought he was a gone, but Simon and the other judges were so supportive of him after he sang Blank or White after the picture storm. You could see Adam tear up from the support. He was on the cover of a magazine speculating about his sexuality and could he win. He was under tremendous pressure with Perez and others snipping at him at all times. They were hell bent on not allowing him to compete like all the other contestants. There were ministers trying to get people to vote for the Christian and again the gay guy. The press in the US is completely aware of that because they were a huge part of it. Of course after he lost, they were upset and wondering if his sexuality cost him the title. So it seems strange for them to now pretend they did not know. He could not give any interviews before the show was over but I call BS on the notion that unless you state it on tv or publicly that you are not out. He sure took a lot of hits and insults for someone who was not out. Once he became a celebrity more became interested in his sexuality. But he was out even if they did not know it or care before. ITA Adam being gay was not a secret during Idol. And during the season, there was an active campaign by some conservative Christian groups against Adam. I even got a flyer on my car in a Walmart parking lot in Tupelo, MS with a vote for the Christian message.
There are some indications that the Idol producers worked hard to set up this battle -- Christians vs. Gay. They had at least four gay contestants -- only Adam made it through to the top 12. And they packed the top 12 with conservative/evangelical Christians - Kris Allen, Danny Gokey, Matt Giraud, Lil Rounds, Scott MacIntrye, and Michael Sarver - half the contestants had strong connections to conservative/evangelical churches and inspirational music.
But Adam did not publicly confirm being gay until the Rolling Stone article. So I think it is appropriate to say that he came out at 18 but that he publicly came out, or came out in the press, after Idol. He passed on the opportunity to do an interview about his sexuality during Idol. JMHO, if Adam was Anderson Cooper (bland, waspy, non-provocative) gay and from Georgia, he could have won Idol. But in 2009, I don't think that enough Idol viewers/voters were ready for Adam -- it was not just that he was gay and Jewish, it was the whole combination of sexual orientation, genre/vocal style, theatricality, makeup and style, physical appearance, not into sports, etc. Plus, Adam was affirmatively from LA -- and Idol viewers were heavily from the US Southeast. The geographic voting blocks matter in Idol. The western contestants are disadvantaged.
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Post by sizzling63 on Jun 2, 2018 17:13:00 GMT -5
This whole being out topic can at times get a bit weird. Imagine a private person who happens to live in city 'A' and is out, both at home and in public. Now this person decides to move to city 'B'. Is he all of a sudden closeted, just because the people of city 'B' don't know? Rather silly to suggest that, right? Also, in this new city, is the gay person all of a sudden obliged to bring up the 'gay'-topic into every new encounter, just to not revoke his 'out'-status? See how ridiculous that gets? let me take t a step further: I guess, many straight people (including the media at times) forget that being out requires some kind of 'upkeep' from the person who is out. It apparently needs to be brought up again and again, and the gay person is supposed to make that judgement call, whether that status is important for the new person to know, and whether this is the moment to bring it up. Gay people seem to also be required to keep some form of mental ledger on who already knows and who does not. Obviously, I am exaggerating here a bit right now to make a point, but I think the underlying facts are very much true. The straight world, including the media, and sometimes even the gay world (OUT magazine anybody?) is kind of putting the burden on the individual gay person to carry that responsibility of defining and re-defining their 'gayness' according to the other person's own internal list of criteria. That is certainly not fair to anyone. With Adam, obviously, we the public, were all collectively citizens of this city 'B'. In addition, Adam could not talk to us during idol, so it remained a rumor. Jet that rumor was big enough that it covered 3 column long articles in the NYTimes, and was covered in everything from the WSJ to ET-Online. But Adam himself was never in those discussions, due to his status on the show. So, how on earth does that make him closeted? Just because we had not yet received positive affirmation of the news, does not mean he was not open. I think that straight people have a tendency to underestimate how much strain this so often means for any gay person, to have this topic constantly creep into all kinds of conversations and situations, that in principle have nothing to do with orientation. A person gets a new job, they need to think about how to deal with this, a person joins some kind of club or social group, again the topic needs to be bridged, the person meets some friends of his friends, again the topic is on the table. In certain ways, a celebrity has the benefit that once this topic has been chewed over by the press, then they don't need to reiterate it in every private encounter, but for private citizens, it will always remain a bothersome part of their life. Sometimes, I wish people would put themselves into other peoples shoes a bit more, and that includes the media. If they would try to see the world from the other person's perspective and not just their own, they might interview differently. Our knowledge about Adam's orientation does not define his degree of 'outness', that is just not how it should be defined, and I hate to see when the media do it anyways (as you said: re-write history).
In general, I wish that people would start thinking that whole process through a bit more and I think they would judge things a bit differently. It also explains why so many gay people decide to stay closeted, and only come out to a very narrow circle of trusted friends. It is truly such a bother to handle, that many decide to stay closeted and deal with the consequences that this brings along, i.e. a semi-secretive life. Great post. Being not straight seems to come with a lot of weight on someone's shoulders - whether it is about the presumed "responsibility" of coming out or the decision to stay in the closet, or something in between. It is a whole lot besides internal struggles as well, and I would not blame anybody for treating sexual orientation as a private matter.
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Post by Q3 on Jun 2, 2018 17:27:41 GMT -5
Adam was hounded before and after AI.. Adam said in his interview ,his sexuality was all the media talked about for a year.I think after all this time ,Adam is still questioned about his sexuality unlike other gay stars. If he brings it up fair game, but when others keep bringing it up ,I find it annoying and sometimes very unfair.After all It's Adam's voice and his music that deserve the attention. he's entitled to a private life. And it is so annoying to me, and probably to him, when the press uses Adam as an example of difference in the new gay artists being more bold than he. They don't use Rickey or Sam as examples of gay stars who made it before anyone knew. But Adam who took all the hits and fire from Idol to his career launch, which could have derailed the career of anyone less talented, is used as the one who hide. How can you now pretend that you did not know when you never gave him on Idol or his career a chance without bringing his sexuality into the picture as if that is all he is? But he is a great role model, success and a survivor but it seems unfair that credit he is due is not given. Adam gets a lot of recognition from the press for blazing a path, etc. And he also get recognition from other artists. Here's an example from a Billboard interview of Darren Hayes. (This whole interview is great IMO).
Q: What do you think was the most groundbreaking event in pop culture that has helped this shift towards LGBTQ acceptance since 2000?
A: Adam Lambert on American Idol. Hands down. He smashed down the door of the closet. I loved Adam’s image. It was an extension of his sexuality. It was bold and unapologetically theatrical. He expressed himself loudly, dramatically, and did not give a damn whether it was palatable to conservative values. I loved that he wore makeup, nail polish and experimented with his hair. He didn’t have to come out because he was never in. I think his success proved you can be out, proud and successful by beginning your career presenting yourself as authentically as possible.
I think this statement is not correct, "They don't use Rickey or Sam as examples of gay stars who made it before anyone knew."
Rickey Martin is often used as an example of gay stars in hiding. Rickey Martin being gay was widely known within the music industry and within the gay community. He just did not come out publicly. I don't think many of his avid fans were surprised since it was widely discussed for decades and apparent at concerts.
Sam Smith, on the other hand, publicly came out close to the beginning of his career -- in the U.S. he was not established but had just released his first single and album. I am not sure what "coming out" means any more. Sam, like Adam, was living publicly as a gay man since he was 18 and never "in." Here the timeline.
First UK hit "Money on My Mind" released in the UK February 12, 2014.
First US hit "Stay with Me" released on April 14, 2014. (first US solo single)
"In the Lonely Hour" released May 26, 2014.
Confirmed he was gay May 28, 2014. (published article)
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Post by vilynka87 on Jun 2, 2018 17:50:04 GMT -5
Hello everyone! A few days ago I arrived to St. Louis, MO and I'm gonna be here for 12 months! Anything interesting to do here? Anyone wants to meet for a coffee? The best thing was that i landed at Lambert airport Vilynka, Sorry to say I’m not close to St Louis but went to school there a couple of years and there is so much to do. Can you say what you’ll be doing for the year? I know there are some members in the area, maybe they can make some current recs for interesting adventures. I'll be working at St. Louis Union Station Hotel. Currently i'm looking for accommodation.
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