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Post by sizzling63 on Oct 6, 2019 10:43:38 GMT -5
Not so sure if Adam playing the outsider card is a smart strategy to get new people on board. Let the music speak for itself, Adam! I have followed him because I like him and because I was immediately smitten with his voice, and not because I can identify as an outsider, and I have a feeling that there are quite a few more fans like me. He's doing these interviews as promo for the music; they'd be pretty short if he just said the music should speak for itself. I always assumed - perhaps incorrectly - that just about everyone has felt like an outsider at one time or another, whether or not they consider themselves "outsiders" in general. I don't know how one goes through life without ever having been bullied, or left out, or somehow made to feel as if they were "less than." To me, that's what he's talking about, and maybe I'm more of an outsider than I realized, but it resonates with me. I'm sure he's particularly speaking to those who feel that way much of the time, because they are somehow different than what the mainstream deems desirable, but I don't see how his message excludes anyone. And because Adam is who he is, and has experienced what he has experienced, his words ring true. No matter how much success he has achieved and may achieve in the future, I think Adam will always see himself as an outsider, and many will love him for that. Of course his message doesn't exclude anyone, and I like "Velvet" as it feels authentic and it addresses Adam's realities in a sonically beautiful way, and the empowerment vibe should certainly be something that everybody can relate to, but why state in his many interviews that he wants to relate to outsiders? Wouldn't that immediately turn some mainstream people away who might otherwise check out his music? I actually believe that his fandom is much different from what he thinks or portrays it to be, regardless if many of those felt left out or bullied before. I am not saying that Adam shouldn't be authentically himself, but I think it would be much smarter to not label himself as the artist for those that feel left out. I hope it makes sense. Little edit/add-on here as I see some other comments... I totally agree that it is useless to put ourselves or anybody in boxes. We are all different and every human being has gone through things or is struggling with one thing or another, if it is personal or due to political circumstances. That's why I think "Velvet" connects anyways. So it really bugs me that Adam is marketing himself as someone who wants to represent those who belong in a certain box.
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Post by skaschep on Oct 6, 2019 10:50:11 GMT -5
If you saw the movie Bohemian Rhapsody they were saying sort of the same as Adam is now.
"We're four misfits who don't belong together. We're playing for other misfits. And the outcasts right in the back of the room, we're pretty sure they don't belong either. We belong to them."
I personally think the message is amazing and interpreted it as: "You are allowed to be different".
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Post by relaxingoceanfront on Oct 6, 2019 11:05:13 GMT -5
That "Los Angeles station" posted earlier is an internet station, it doesn't count for Mediabase adds or spins nor Billboard chart position. This post is not meant to be a downer, but just very realistic. Fans need to come to terms with what being indie will do for the adds this week at radio. He's got the 'Live in the Vineyard' show, which will likely get him a few spins on a handful of independent stations, but outside of the couple of Idol loving stations with the contests and a handful of spins, there's no early signs of big radio interest, especially from iHeart. Unless his streaming numbers pick up, maybe they were hoping for that by giving it time before adds date, I suspect there's not much his team is going to be able to do on the radio front. If anything more happens I'll be pleasantly surprised and very happy for him. And you don't have to add to spin and you don't have to spin to add, unless you are an auto-adder, which HAC has a lot of. I love the EP (not so much NE and CIH and question leading off the era with those) and I'm happy he got to make the music he wanted. But it comes with a high cost, one of those costs is not having the radio resources of a major label. And sizzling63 , I also think his fandom (perhaps maybe core US fandom) is much different than he thinks or portrays, or maybe wishes lol. I don't consider myself an outsider, pretty darn boring at times.
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Post by sizzling63 on Oct 6, 2019 11:05:14 GMT -5
All the Adam fans I know here in the Netherlands and who I call my friends do not fit into the boxes some people think we should fit in. To my opinion those boxes are silly and only exist for people who think everybody is the same. We are all different and we all are 'outsiders' in one way or another. That doesn't mean you are existing outside of the society. It's about the little things. Being an Adam fan might be considered weird by some people. So in that sense you could be an outsider from other people who are fans of other artists. It's not that deep. I myself fall into the 1% most intelligent people according to my mensa test. I'm also highly sensitive which puts me in another subset of that 1%. So I'm different from more than 99% of the people in the world according to that. A lot of people won't understand me because my mind is going too fast for them to understand. I tend to skip things in my reasoning because my mind already processed them and didn't think it was important enough to mention. Cool what you are sharing about yourself, and I see where you are coming from. Yet even if you are a bit different you don't see yourself in a box, unless it's the sparkly "Glambert" one haha, if I get that right. I think your statement in general was actually the point that I was trying to make. About the Adam fans that I have met here in the US... it is very different from your experience. I think most of them are women who fell in love with Adam because of his voice and the "It" factor. That's my perspective only of course. relaxingoceanfront , I am "pretty darn boring" too
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Post by skaschep on Oct 6, 2019 11:10:35 GMT -5
All the Adam fans I know here in the Netherlands and who I call my friends do not fit into the boxes some people think we should fit in. To my opinion those boxes are silly and only exist for people who think everybody is the same. We are all different and we all are 'outsiders' in one way or another. That doesn't mean you are existing outside of the society. It's about the little things. Being an Adam fan might be considered weird by some people. So in that sense you could be an outsider from other people who are fans of other artists. It's not that deep. I myself fall into the 1% most intelligent people according to my mensa test. I'm also highly sensitive which puts me in another subset of that 1%. So I'm different from more than 99% of the people in the world according to that. A lot of people won't understand me because my mind is going too fast for them to understand. I tend to skip things in my reasoning because my mind already processed them and didn't think it was important enough to mention. Cool how you see yourself as different, yet refuse to belong to a box outside of society. I think that was my point actually. About the Adam fans that I have met here in the US... it is very different from your experience. I think most of them are women who fell in love with Adam because of his voice and the "It" factor. That's my perspective only of course. And I'm pretty sure Adam didn't mean the term outsider as someone outside of society either. That's just how you interpreted it. He refers to himself as an outsider, but he's by no means existing outside of society. I think he's very much in it, but just a subset of it. Like we all are. Most of you 'boring' woman who like Adam might not feel like an outsider or part of a subset, but in fact you are. You are Adam fans for years already. People might consider that being crazy. Doesn't mean that that is bad. It's just a default we all seem to share here!
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Post by sizzling63 on Oct 6, 2019 11:29:16 GMT -5
Cool how you see yourself as different, yet refuse to belong to a box outside of society. I think that was my point actually. About the Adam fans that I have met here in the US... it is very different from your experience. I think most of them are women who fell in love with Adam because of his voice and the "It" factor. That's my perspective only of course. And I'm pretty sure Adam didn't mean the term outsider as someone outside of society either. That's just how you interpreted it. He refers to himself as an outsider, but he's by no means existing outside of society. I think he's very much in it, but just a subset of it. Like we all are. Most of you 'boring' woman who like Adam might not feel like an outsider or part of a subset, but in fact you are. You are Adam fans for years already. People might consider that being crazy. Doesn't mean that that is bad. It's just a default we all seem to share here! Oops, you responded before I edited my comment. Anyways ... we all perceive and interpret things a bit differently, based on our experiences and who we are, and it still bugs me a bit how Adam markets himself. I agree 100% though that us Glamberts are a very special group
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Post by marionm on Oct 6, 2019 11:31:07 GMT -5
I'm quite sure Adam would find me boring as well lol. I don't think 'interesting' (as opposit of boring) isnt just how sparkly, flashy, colerful your hair, clothes or Makeup are, or if you have the most exciting stories to tell. imo
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Post by sizzling63 on Oct 6, 2019 11:38:58 GMT -5
I understand Adam considering himself an outsider and he's heard from some fans who identify with that...but I tend to think most fans don't think of themselves as "outsiders" or marginalized or bullied, etc. I think he may think a lot of his fans are "outsiders" by generalizing his fandom thinks of themselves that way. But I'm just speaking for myself. I think maybe sizzling and I don't want him to limit himself and the music to just appealing to and for the "outsiders". ETA: I guess your perspective depends on whether you consider yourself an outsider. I'm not sure that "most" of his fans do....but maybe they do and I'm just in the minority which makes me an outsider in the fandom....lol. Yup, that's what it is, bamafan. Now that I read through some comments and also marionm's I am wondering if I as a rather "generic" female US fan am more of an "outsider" in this worldwide fandom lol. Okay, off to hit the gym now.
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Post by kryptoman68 on Oct 6, 2019 11:59:27 GMT -5
Cool how you see yourself as different, yet refuse to belong to a box outside of society. I think that was my point actually. About the Adam fans that I have met here in the US... it is very different from your experience. I think most of them are women who fell in love with Adam because of his voice and the "It" factor. That's my perspective only of course. And I'm pretty sure Adam didn't mean the term outsider as someone outside of society either. That's just how you interpreted it. He refers to himself as an outsider, but he's by no means existing outside of society. I think he's very much in it, but just a subset of it. Like we all are. Most of you 'boring' woman who like Adam might not feel like an outsider or part of a subset, but in fact you are. You are Adam fans for years already. People might consider that being crazy. Doesn't mean that that is bad. It's just a default we all seem to share here! I am a man on a fan board with 99% women. There is always a way to be seen as an outsider, and it is not necessarily a bad thing
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Post by rihannsu on Oct 6, 2019 12:06:38 GMT -5
And I'm pretty sure Adam didn't mean the term outsider as someone outside of society either. That's just how you interpreted it. He refers to himself as an outsider, but he's by no means existing outside of society. I think he's very much in it, but just a subset of it. Like we all are. Most of you 'boring' woman who like Adam might not feel like an outsider or part of a subset, but in fact you are. You are Adam fans for years already. People might consider that being crazy. Doesn't mean that that is bad. It's just a default we all seem to share here! Oops, you responded before I edited my comment. Anyways ... we all perceive and interpret things a bit differently, based on our experiences and who we are, and it still bugs me a bit how Adam markets himself. I agree 100% though that us Glamberts are a very special group I think though that Adam is done playing the "market yourself to the mainstream" game. He has stated that he wanted to get back to what music really meant to him. I think his talk about outsiders is not a marketing ploy it is really part of his creative process. He's comment many times that he wanted to make music for "his" people and that consists of marginalized groups and those who feel different or left out or persecuted. I think not talking about that in order to market himself to the mainstream is similar to the idea of toning himself down in order to appeal to the masses and probably a big part of why he was so disillusioned with the music industry. Unfortunately whether you feel like an outsider or different or bullied just being a woman in the world actually does put you at a disadvantage. Women are very much in need of the kind of messages Adam has in his songs. If you have been lucky enough to not experience misogyny or discrimination as a woman than you are in the minority whether you realize it or not.
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