Pretending to by young(er) hasn't gotten us anywhere.
True. But even the technology is getting outdated.
I generally only see faxes in offices anymore....which may be *why* its something the independents may use/may have used, as their music actions is involved within a job.
IMO, song requests from individuals are less likely to be faxed, as what office is gonna be sanguine about work machines being used for personal song requests? And most people I know have gotten rid of their home fax machines.
In your research, how prominent was the use of faxes, and when did the articles you read get published? Its worth knowing if they've been written in the last 3 or so years before we get excited about another possible method.
Oh wow, my gut feeling is that a fax would just end up in the trash. I don't think that's something fans should start getting into. Texting just makes the most sense on a whole lot of levels
FAXES: Serious promoters use faxes for commercial radio; faxing is simply the fastest way to get a one-page synopsis of info to commercial stations... with pictures if needed. They are not cheap, but a good promoter should still include these faxes.
EMAILS: While you may get excited about email, remember that since email is free, stations get them from every artist on the planet. And all the emails look the same. So in order to build a project, you must use faxes and calls too, because most artists can't afford them (and that is why you will stand out.)
Now, I don't know when this article was put together as he doesn't mention twitter etc but the firm is hiring employees this year and I find chat about him back to 2005 at least. This is from a promoters site. He has a whole series on getting radio play. www.radio-media.com/song-album/articles/airplay13.html
For those of us watching timelines he says in another article..
The promoter's work then continues: A non-commercial campaign may go 5-10 more weeks; A commercial campaign (for a single song) may go 3 to 12 more MONTHS, depending on results.
Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Jun 29, 2012 18:05:41 GMT -5
This looks like good info from the PROMOTER'S vantage. This seems to be what RCA reps should be doing. (Whether they are or not is a different story)
Not sure, however, if it works from an "Average Joe" vantage. If radio wants to know "how many people in our listener area" are listening, I don't think this sort of faxing arrangement is what they are expecting to see. I think they're going to want to see phone calls, texts, and Twitter.
Post by rabbitrabbit on Jun 29, 2012 18:21:09 GMT -5
ah, they are talking about promoters with a new song to pimp rather than listeners trying to get through to a station with a request. Makes sense, though I'm not sure whether he is talking more about indy stations / non Top 40 ones.
I was reading through a bunch of questions from DJs/PDs to a testing guru advice column on AllAccess and the form of listener interaction they mentioned the most was phone calls, ie. they noticed when the phones were blowing up for a particular song. I'll try to dig up some quotes and info from that a little later, if I have a chance, it's kind of scattered throughout.
Agree, it certainly couldn't be added to an every day thing by fans, but a targeted one day campaign with Adam pictures and hand drawn fan pictures.......(ooo side thought - is anyone sending hand drawn signs to stations via twitter/email etc like the ones fans show in the youtube videos?)
Alright, back to the targeted campaign. The bigger stations don't have faxes listed but a lot of the little ones seem to if you dig.
And what is everyone's effort on thank you notes? I usually put down on my mediabase request that I heard it while driving to... or it came on at 5:00, thank you.
And for those that don't have faxes, well the US Post Office reportedly still works for everything other than Fault magazines.
We've been bolloxed with "don't act like Claymates" and don't act your age. Well radio stations should learn that it's the younger generation that is cutting out radio in favor of Pandora etc. If they want to keep listeners for their advertisers then they should be keeping the ones they have. (ok speaking generally of HAC stations because I don't reconize 5/6s of the songs on my top 40 station's mediabase)
Anyway, we are following an artist who says "be yourself". I'm not sure the game of "behave like all the other sheep" will work for us. Kids come up with all kinds of out of the box things, it's ok if we do too.
For the promoters with a national campaign it's long-distance phone charges. In his advertisement for an employee he talks about possibly contacting 2000 stations.
And pre-computer programs and copy machines that faxed it was all different.
But the concept of skin in the game with the phone calls as mentioned earlier does seem to be important. Twitter is anonymous, email is anonymous. The only thing that can really be tracked to a person who isn't spamming (ie one call = one person) is something that requires a phone. Facebook can even be spammed although it takes more work.
Nobody mentioned in their request the other day to text z100 that I'd be getting a text back from Elvis Duran. Do they do that on their other request methods?
the leaders list today is really depressing. the only station who increased their spins compared to last week is Sirius (+3 spins). :( And still no new spinners. Why is RCA not able to push a good pop song at least into Top 50 in CHR? >:(
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