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Post by gelly14 on Dec 3, 2012 15:37:21 GMT -5
Good gawd. Symantics are unimportant. Why are we getting worked up on the words people use and not the message they are trying to express.? I know the world is frustrating but nobody here needs a lecture on accepting a gay man. Aren't we all pretty much on the same side?
In today's discussion I think some people (not me necessarily) are also wondering if we all indeed are "on the same side" when it comes to some quite important topics. This because words are being understood on different ways. So words indeed are important. EXACTLY. And I am one of the people that I'm wondering if we're on the same side. Good gawd. Symantics are unimportant. Why are we getting worked up on the words people use and not the message they are trying to express.? I know the world is frustrating but nobody here needs a lecture on accepting a gay man. Aren't we all pretty much on the same side? I understand what you're getting at but when someone says something like "Johnny dances like a girl and makes me cringe" should we just keep our mouths shut and say nothing? Or say, oh that's perfectly fine because it's an Atop poster and coming from a good place? Again, if we don't say anything, then we are condoning language that in my point of view is offensive. How is anyone going to learn anything if we all keep our mouths shut when we see bigotry whether intentional or not :-/ My thoughts exactly |
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Post by irish1139 on Dec 3, 2012 15:38:12 GMT -5
Guys, rather than demand that people check their comments at the door, couldn't we understand that people are all different places in their social evolution and explain rather than attack. We should also acknowledge that a great deal of this world shares far worse understanding of the complexities of homosexuality and sexuality in general. I think we should encourage the conver sation in order to help each other understand. One sided conversations get nowhere. And this really is a worthy conversation. It doesn't matter how WE perceive the overtly gay performance but how the publics will perceive it. Kay, I wish I could have put your thoughts into words. I agree with you with my whole heart. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 15:39:13 GMT -5
Kay I understand what you're getting at but when someone says something like "Johnny dances like a girl and makes me cringe" should we just keep our mouths shut and say nothing? Or say, oh that's perfectly fine because it's an Atop poster and coming from a good place? Again, if we don't say anything, then we are condoning language that in my point of view is offensive. How is anyone going to learn anything if we all keep our mouths shut when we see bigotry whether intentional or not :-/ I'm not Kay, but the way I understood her post, she wasn't talking about the Johnny comment. She was talking about the way some people were telling pretty amazing and beautiful stories about changing their minds from bigotry to acceptance, and still some other people were correcting the semantics and getting worked up over some part of the comments that weren't even slightly about the intended message of the author. Correct me if I'm wrong, Kay, but that's the way I understood it. Correct!  . Thanks for clarifying albiku!  ETA yeah, I guess I was also refering to thr Johnny conversation as well as a lot of the comments today |
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Post by Albiku on Dec 3, 2012 15:39:14 GMT -5
Personally i'd love to engage a respectful conversation with a true homophobe, unlike those getting attacked here, but I get that not everybody would be capable of that. Be careful what you wish for. I have had a few conversations with a homophobe guy I know. It's the most frustrating situation in the world. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 15:41:49 GMT -5
gay people are no different than you or I except insomuch as they are sexually attracted to members of the same sex whereas (I assume) we are attracted to members of the opposite sex. They love, hate, get angry, hope, fear, dream. They have great relationships with their friends and family, they shitty relationships with their friends and family. They work, they don't, they are alcoholics, druggies, straight edge, and in between. They are tall, short, fat, thin, poor spellers, English professors, they are math geeks and they can't do math with a calculator. what I'm saying is that they gay community is part of the human community and the bias and ignorance will never cease until people stop looking at sexuality as the defining characteristic of a person rather than just a genetic happenstance of birth (much like eye color). They aren't different than their peers ...they are exactly the same...in all the ways that truly matter.
Well, obviously I know all that. When I said they were different than their peers, I was referring specifically to that moment that Adam has described when he realized that he was attracted to boys and not girls. I have heard several gay people say that they felt uncomfortable and even scared when it occurred to them that they differed from their peer group in that aspect. I believe Adam used the word "horrified."
Let's be realistic--there's no way, in our current society, that a gay child would be able to shrug that off and take comfort in knowing that they're the same in the ways you describe. Of course they are, but their sexuality is what has the potential to get them ridiculed, ostracized, and bullied. It's a big deal. He was horrified because at that point in society there weren't any gay role models for him to look at and see that it was just another part of who he was. Now there is Ellen, NPH, Adam and many others who are paving the way for THIS GENERATION to have a different experience. I am being realistic - I personally have hope for society and refuse to accept that gay kids just have to "learn to deal" with the ignorance. I think if we, as Adam fans, want the focus to be on his music and not on his sexuality we have to stop focusing everything on his sexuality. Every time he doesn't get played on radio, every time he cancels an interview, every time someone dislikes him...it can't be ABOUT THE GAY. |
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Post by teddybear on Dec 3, 2012 15:42:55 GMT -5
Wait, are we calling people homophobes now?
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Post by adamrocks on Dec 3, 2012 15:43:32 GMT -5
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Post by bridgeymah on Dec 3, 2012 15:44:05 GMT -5
Looks like the band and dancers will be adding some stamps to their passports! Adam's must be running out of pages...
Re the whole Johnny dancer discussion. To paraphrase the SYTYCD judges sure he could "butch it up" but he isn't dancing a girl/boy story where he is the male lead. Even back in Kiss and Tell vid you can see he has a "drag" style to his dancing. I deliberately don't say feminine because it's not (unless you count 10 year old girls strutting around). It is exaggerated and I think deliberately for effect, because underneath the moves you can see he has great technique. AND the most important thing is Adam appears to be having fun playing off both Johnny and Terrance, it is relaxed and fun and that comes across in spades. Whether he does it in bare feet or 5 inch heels I could care less.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 15:44:20 GMT -5
Wait, are we calling people homophobes now? I am not! |
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Post by bridgeymah on Dec 3, 2012 15:46:52 GMT -5
Personally i'd love to engage a respectful conversation with a true homophobe, unlike those getting attacked here, but I get that not everybody would be capable of that. Be careful what you wish for. I have had a few conversations with a homophobe guy I know. It's the most frustrating situation in the world. WOW you had a conversation (being serious here) - anytime I run up against people who are genuinely homophobic (and have had misfortune to run into a few) my "conversation" usually end up with me losing my cool in the face of their incomparable assholeness ... Kudos to you and would love to know your secret. |
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