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Post by nonotme on Aug 3, 2013 21:37:40 GMT -5
I've been wondering too.. how Adam , who has said that he wants to be his own master kind of thing,is going to sign his life away again with a, money is the bottom line,record label.IMHO If he does sign on that dotted line,he will want a lot of control over his music and art. Is there a label out there willing to fund Adam's projects because it is more interested in creativity an money???? I've been wondering the same thing. I'm not sure how he "flies solo." He doesn't play a musical instrument. He's not a songwriter in the sense of sitting down to a piano or with a guitar and coming up with a tune. He himself says he's more of a lyricist (and just learning the process at that). How does he write songs without a label to pair him with producers and songwriters? I'm not clear on how songs are written these days anyway. It's not like Lennon and McCartney sitting in a hotel room and working out a new song. Or Elton John writing a melody and giving it to Bernie Taupin for the lyrics. Or a band jamming on a riff they build around until they have a song. Or the principal songwriter in a group being someone other than the lead singer. It's a whole bank of producers and writers that "contribute" in some way into a finished product. This is one reason I always wished he would be working with great musicians in a band that could feed off one another. Monte was too old-fashioned rock and roll but he had the chops; Tommy has gotten better but doesn't really have the chops. None of them can write songs, as far as I know. If anyone could clue me into the process, I'd much appreciate it. Another thing is that he has not been talking about all the ideas and vision that he has now or how he is charged with creativity as he has in the past--and plus it seems there is no studio to go into anyway. (I understand how creativity works--how it ebbs and flows). I just don't want to think of him floundering, but aside from contributing to others' albums, not sure how he can do this. If anyone knows the process, I'd love to know. I really don't understand it. Too bad about Sam being in Europe. I still love Shady and think it could have been a hit. I think one problem with the song was the "pull it out" lyric, as ridiculous as it seems. My semi-homophobic but Adam-appreciative husband said "ew" when we were in the car and I was playing "Underneath" and the lyric "you inside of me" came on with a male singer. I know we're supposed to be post-gay, or well on our way, and antigay sentinments sicken me, but it's a reality that straight men do sometimes have a visceral reaction that we haven't moved past. I think it's one of the reasons Adam never had any hip-hop collabs on an album, that culture known particularly for its machismo and homophobia. (yes, yes, getting better, and all that, but I'm trying to be realistic). Ok, so, this also brings me to wondering about if, say, Sam WERE in the country and went to the Hamptons. Would it be problematic now for he and Adam and Nile appeared onstage to do Shady. Is this now unlikely with Adam having 'parted ways" with RCA? eep, long post, but I'm on a laptop for once and not my phone! Speeding through the thread and wanted to make a few comments. Apologies if someone else has already answered. •The lyric in Shady is NOT "pull it out." It is "roll it out," as per lyrics listed on album insert. This references a dance move. •In Underneath "you inside of me" refers to someone being emotionally inside/empathetic/fully understanding the other person deeply. Too bad your DH didn't get that. He could have understood the lyrics on a much deeper level. •Many people create albums by paying for the studio time themselves. Then they work with a label for promo and distribution. Because they have paid up front for the studio time, they do not have to pay back the advance before starting to earn money from each album sold. Yes, most people who do this can not spend the kind of money that big labels provide, but may have enough to create wonderful albums with all sort of bells and whistles. My son and the band in which he plays always work this way. They are indie, so expenses are lower than pop artists, but some much larger acts, such as Macklemore work this way, too. Son's band has always had a deal with a label for the release, even a contract for X number of albums. Because they pay for producing the album, they have lots of creative freedom, hire various other artists of their choosing to appear on the album, and get more per album sold than a traditional deal would give them. This may not be the way Adam will work, but it is a possibility. peace&love ETA- If I recall correctly, the Rolling Stones,starting rather early in their career, paid to produce their own albums, then worked with a label to distribute.
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Post by adamrocks on Aug 3, 2013 21:44:19 GMT -5
Betris O @betriso I have 1 Tix to Queen+AL Sec 217 Row C Seat 22 for sale at my cost $600. Side view but close to stage. Have PDF. Plz RT.
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Post by lulu1265 on Aug 3, 2013 21:52:54 GMT -5
Kind of off topic, but I saw this on a web site recently and had a good laugh. It's making fun of Westboro Baptist Church's sign about God Hates Fags!
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Post by willowgarden on Aug 3, 2013 21:54:41 GMT -5
Betris O @betrisoI have 1 Tix to Queen+AL Sec 217 Row C Seat 22 for sale at my cost $600. Side view but close to stage. Have PDF. Plz RT. I love how this is now Queen+AL instead of I Heart. Do we think this will be the big Queen show with all the lights?
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Post by readon on Aug 3, 2013 22:02:15 GMT -5
There are times when I wonder why I stan this guy. Logic. Reason. Both tell me let go. But.....
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Post by pi on Aug 3, 2013 22:02:51 GMT -5
Not sure if this is new to anyone else, but this is a place to find or sell tickets to Adam events.. twitter.com/adam_ticketsAdam Tickets @adam_Tickets We RT fans buying/selling tickets to Adam Lambert events. NOTE: THESE ARE BLANKET RETWEETS. WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR: PRICING, AVAILABILITY, PAYMENT, DELIVERY
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Post by Holst on Aug 3, 2013 22:23:55 GMT -5
Adam Lambert @adamlambert 9m Love this song so much @jessie_Ware Wildest Moments. Jessie Ware @jessie_Ware 8m @adamlambert thank u Adam! We love you in our family xx I like it. And how unusual to see a video where the woman is not only fully clothed, but the clothes are not even skin tight.
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Post by junkets on Aug 3, 2013 22:25:38 GMT -5
•In Underneath "you inside of me" refers to someone being emotionally inside/empathetic/fully understanding the other person deeply. Too bad your DH didn't get that. He could have understood the lyrics on a much deeper level. ugh, I knew that there was going to be the reaction if I "went there." But I'm talking about a man who is a supporter of gay rights but still has traces of old-school homophobia that is not uncommon, unfortunately. I understand the lyrics are talking about an emotional connection, but honestly, it's about a physical connection as well--one that makes some squirm. Dan Savage talks about this very thing in many of his very articulate and insightful interviews. Are all those lyrics from countless songs over the decades about being inside of you, you being inside of me, only talking about only some cerebral, emotional connection? It's both. A release. Physical and emotional. I wish it wouldn't be so, but my point is that if a relatively "evolved," open-minded man has that reaction, it isn't a big leap to think others that are in charge of radlio, labels, billion-dollar record companies wouldn't have the same reaction or reluctance to risk a single with what they view as gay themes/perspective (how many gay artists sang about gay experiences in the past; there's a reason for that). It's changing, with people like Adam breaking down barriers, and I can't wait till the day when sexuality is akin to being right- or left-handed, as others have said, but it's not there. Husband doesn't go that deep thinking about lyrics. I'm more surprised he was listening to them at all, even on a surface level. He thinks Adam is the best singer alive, but occasionally I have to stop him from making reactionary comments because he sees Adam as a "gay artist" and he hasn't quite moved past that. Thankfully, my daughter's gen is much more promising in that regard. Thanks for the lyric correction. Sometimes with the Daft Punk/Pharell/Nile stuff blowing up so much, I feel a little bummed that the label didn't go for something more of-the-moment. And it predated the DP album by a year! (I know, water under the bridge, flogging dead horse, but I still have a little residual bitterness.)
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Post by Craazyforadam on Aug 3, 2013 22:35:52 GMT -5
I am way more optimistic for Adam than some of you - wow, what is it with all the doubt? There is no comparison to those who were just let go from labels without a plan on where to go from here, like other idols, who now do the small venue circuits and somehow live off of that (not sure how - but don't quite care enough to research how that works). Adam first of all has multiple engagements even for 2013 that we already know about, that will provide decent income. And Glee, I presume will be for season 5 and 6. And he may have multiple irons in the fire beyond 2013, which we just do not know about yet. A few Queen concerts comes to mind, pretty pretty please, maybe. On the other hand, he does have a management team, publicist + Kobolt + accountants/tax guys and his band to think about and pay. But Adam also has some basic revenue from product sales, licensing, use of pictures in magazines, fanclub, etc. He also has at least some income coming in from FYE and even if TSP did not break even and he is not making anything from that, at least FYE is generating revenue for him in all the various ways. If that were his only income that might be worrisome, but clearly that is not the case. So, all that added together, leaves him already in a completely different place. Now, we come to what lies ahead. Adam clearly has befriended Neil Nile and is way beyond the 'just playing guitar on one of my songs' stage. We do not know what they have discussed and agreed on, but Neil Nile is about as seasoned a fox as it gets, and knows anybody and everybody in the business to help Adam connect with other people and Avicii is clearly a first result of this. I suspect that there will be more to come. Neil Nile is also a producer, has access to studio space (or has his own, not sure) and has access to other musicians, if they are needed for certain recordings. Adam also has contact to tons of other producers and musicians based on the past few years. So, putting A3 together should be no problem, independent of whether he has a label or not. Then comes the promotion and marketing phase and that is where the rubber hits the road or lets say where things like a label start to matter. There is a huge difference between an independent artist just providing downloads of his song via i-tunes or some homegrown website and on the other hand, a label organizing a world wide release and distribution of someones music via major retailers with full blown promotion. Obviously Adam wants to be in the latter group, but there are many possible scenarios in the middle too. And Adam will have to pick between the for him possible and available alternatives and he has quite a few people to give him advice and he also obviously has learned a lot during the last four years. He will work it out. Now, to the other side of this whole question. You rightfully noticed that everybody and anybody seems to be starting labels. That is like starting businesses in general. Nine out of ten fail. A few get lucky and crawl along, kind of so-so. Very rarely do you get a breakout star originating from these start-ups, but of course it does happen. Adam cannot waste his time with some completely green label that is developing its business skills as they go and has no standing in the industry. He is way beyond that, too, does not need to do it that way. On the other hand, that a few seasoned pros get together and start something to coordinate and streamline their efforts and then hang this under the umbrella of one of the big names like UMG, to tie into the distribution and promotion capabilities of that larger organization, is quite possible. I see Adam finding his place somewhere under an existing or re-forming label, but under the big umbrella of UMG. But I expect him to float independently for a while, til those things get worked out or decided. But I am totally not worried about his situation without RCA. He will have many options, and as you pointed out, many might not tie into the typical pop star/top40 type of singing career. He has songwriting credentials on various songs already and LMD will just add to that in visibility and cash flow. And all this, is now discussed without even addressing that Adam could, if he wanted to, start a KS project any minute and raise tons of money within days. He does not need to do this right now, because the writing does not need to get financed, he can live off of the resources available to him otherwise. And his big financing questions come later during roll-out. Hope that brings a bit of perspective to his situation and makes a few folks forget about their worries a bit. ETA: Nonotme, our posts crossed, but we clearly are agreeing here. Things are ok right now. And I still cannot spell Nile correctly. Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by Holst on Aug 3, 2013 22:38:13 GMT -5
We are not quite at 10 pages, so I need to post something. The more I listen to TP, the more I notice lyrics about gay love. I'm slow at paying attention to lyrics--always. I agree: maybe that is why RCA couldn't see fit to get behind the album (if that insider info from Halperin was true).
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