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Post by Jablea on Sept 17, 2013 0:08:15 GMT -5
ETA: Here is the time scenario --- 1. Nile and Avicii are in LA in the studio working on a track -- they finish the first track and start to work on what became LMD. Avicii leaves. 2. Nile works on the track some more. Calls Prince who sends over his backup singers, King to record the back up vocals. 3. 10:00PM Nile has a song and calls Adam to record the lead vocal. 4. Adam is in bed, hung over. Nile tells him to get over to the studio, he needs him. Adam gets on the treadmill for a couple of hours then heads over to the recording studio. He sings the vocal and nails it in one take. 5. Avicii gets the track that Nile has designated as a hit in the morning. The most important part of the interview is that Nile is right when he says this will be a hit for Adam and that Adam is in the perfect position -- he will have a hit song as an independent artist while his management is negotiating his new contract. Adam has a fairy godmother godqueen watching over him! On top of that, and thanks to Queen+AL, he will be the only unsigned artist performing at iHR Music Festival. I have followed the music business for 30 years and I cannot remember another situation like this for an artist who was between contracts. [Off to listen to "Lucky Star" and hope Adam's "Lucky Star" will shine some light on me. ********* Craazyforadam - Nile's story do not make any sense. And there is no chance that the part we do not know worked out like you laid it out. Two other parts of your comment struck me.... Craazyforadam "My other question is more targeted at the long term perspective of all this. I know that Nile has golden fingers and Adam needs the exposure on the world market as well as the cash, but Adam is not a session singer. And if Nile sees it as, oh here I need some vocals, let me call Adam, then this will not go well forever. In the end, LMD is a great song, in the sense of exposure, cashflow, etc, but let's face it:" Read more: adamtopia.com/thread/1904/adam-winstar-world-casino-years?page=8#ixzz2f5X0mV7x" Avicii and Nile did not treat Adam as a session singer -- he is a featured artist and has composer credit. I think Adam didn't just lay down the vocal for LMD he also wrote the lyrics and as per Adam's twit below, Adam didn't compose the song, so I think his credit is as a songwriter.  Avicii said in his 1st interview before Itunes that his normal way to work was to lay down the melody and to have certain phrases and maybe a theme laid out. Then he works with the songwriter which is what he considers Nile to be. How LMD came out may or may not be similiar. He may have only laid out the other song that Nile worked on and then they came up with LMD as an afterthought. Nile does refer to it as a song he wrote in two hours. Avicii said in his 2nd interview that he and Nile has most of the lyrics to LMD written which would match up to using Nile as the song writer. However Avicii, according to Nile, was impressed that they had the finished song done and given to him the next morning so it may not have been all written or he could be talking about all the parts Nile finished that fast, guitar, backup singers, lead vocal, ie something that was merely an idea a few hours before. Now Adam's part is harder to determine. Yes he was a bit of a gun for hire, he was learning the lyrics in Nile's tweet, but this was not as a session singer like the bastard album. This was Nile, who knows what Adam can do, who was saying to Adam, I want/need you to Adamize it. And so he did and whether he changed words, or suggested phrases, or changed the melody, or built an arc, or emphasized this, or hit that note or whatever, it' s all considered writing. He Adamized it in one take and the media is giving him full credit for it too, equal with Nile and Nile is the star here (beside Avicii of course).
We've asked ourselves for years why the big names don't use Adam in their collaborations, everything out there this year especially is featuring someone. We he just got featured and there is just no way to spin a downside to it. Everything is positive. |
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Post by Jablea on Sept 17, 2013 0:48:15 GMT -5
Totally agree with this, with emphasis on last paragraph. Actually, I do not agree with this "back door" concept. The music business is built from relationships and collaborations and mutual respect and referrals. Just like every other business. There was NOTHING back door about Adam doing the lead vocal on LMD. It is how things like this happen all the time. And in my book being a featured artist with a soon to be hit track on the #1 album in the world, and working on that artist's next album already, and being the preferred frontman for Queen and co-headlining at iHeartRadio Music Festival, and grabbing a multi-episode starring role on GLEE -- this is not back door. It is being in the room or whatever analogy you want to make. And think about the smiles over at DMG as they are working the deals for Adam right now. If you do not think he is hot, you have blinders on. ** Think about it -- there were only two famous indie artists on the stage at the MTV VMA's -- one [Macklemore] who wants to stay independent, and Adam who may just be re-evaluating the benefits of being an independent artist. If he is indie and can be a featured artist on promoted singles of other major label artists, he does not need to prostitute himself to a major label. He can call his own shots. All he needs is a distribution deal. Seriously, RCA is looking stupider as the time passes. I think that the room we are all hoping he enters is the "Play his songs on the radio" room. I think he's done a really good job of making it to the players room but we don't know if that will translate to radio yet. And I think the more travelled path is to go thru the radio play room before making it to the players room so his path does translate to more of a back door, alternative path visual. |
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Post by Jablea on Sept 17, 2013 1:15:11 GMT -5
So Avicii was in Vegas, and Nile was in LA and they wrote a song together? I assumed that Avicii and Nile were in the same location. I guess, Prince is not the only one that is confused. I am too, lol. All participating in the recording were in LA. Maybe you should listen to the interview again and don't forget the photos from the session. whoa, getting some hostility here. I thought Nile's interview was a bit far ranging, I remember being miffed that he told about Adam being hungover, and I didn't remember Avicii being in it at all. For photos I just saw Adam at the mike and Adam with the King singers and we didn't know they were working on the same song. Someone upstream posted all the related Avicii tweets and that's interesting. I don't think most of them were posted here but then until the last couple of weeks I had no idea WHO (yes capitalized) Avicii was, lol. I posted a reply this evening and it's obvious from what I wrote that I missed most of the day lol. I do know that early this morning someone posted that they felt Avicii was jealous of Adam which made me roll my eyes, but I scrolled heh. Sometimes even unrelated items get thrown together in a big bag and it's the last poster who gets the brunt when scrolling fingers are worn out. And of course some of us just may feel like it's an interesting subject. I replied on it because I had been thinking about the session singer vibes myself today and I'm not sure I had made my mind up on which side of the equation I was coming down on until I started writing. I was going to just put in a non-quoted post but then gah, you have to explain what you are talking about in addition to making the statement you want to put forth into the debate so quoting is just faster. I forget that people might think I'm actually talking to them when I'm just being lazy and using them to layout some background. |
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Post by Holst on Sept 17, 2013 6:03:07 GMT -5
 Are you guys done? Can I come out again? I mean, I understand that clearly I did not understand that whole location recording situation right, but man, that got escalated a tad. I am sorry, some folks got upset, but I did not write half of the stuff people threw out there. a) I wrote nothing but positive stuff about NYE at WinStar all day? WTF are you even referring to. My post on AO is still there, if you care to read it, the one here, got deleted. May have been proboards, does not make sense that a mod would have done it.
 Yes, it's safe to come out.  I got the impression that people were commenting on the WinStar topic from a few concerned Atops (not you) and probably Twitter. You are right--you did not post stuff all the stuff that people were commenting on. Made for interesting discussion, however. |
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Post by theosgma on Sept 17, 2013 8:05:07 GMT -5
There is a meet up thread for WinStar NYE in Members only. The new thread is up! I don't see a meet up thread for WinStar NYE. The top of the list is still I Heart. |
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Post by 4Ms on Sept 17, 2013 8:59:43 GMT -5
We'll see how accurate these spoilers are: *Spoiler Alert* Adam and Queen will be in Las Vegas rehearsing 17-19. I also know where but I am reluctant to give that info  They may do a partial day of rehearsals on the afternoon of the 16th but not likely. Adam and Queen are a couple hours into rehearsal now sounds amazing. I don't want to give it out too early but I'll be giving song spoilers out before the show on Friday. Let's just say I'm in the business and today I'm making a living watching my favorite band and singer rehears. Sounds amazing there a little rusty but it's just the first of four days of rehearsals I am not going to give out any specific details until Friday afternoon till I'm done with this job. I don't want to get fired, but I will and I may also post a few pictures after iHeartRadio show is done. I will say this they've only rehearsed three songs that they performed together last year today only with Adam Facial hair is still present I have never worked with Adam nor Queen. They are in Las Vegas they will be rehearsing Today Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday |
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Post by 4Ms on Sept 17, 2013 9:48:23 GMT -5
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Post by belle on Sept 17, 2013 10:27:52 GMT -5
WOW 4Ms, love the pics not moving! I can actually watch them, lovely.
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Post by belle on Sept 17, 2013 10:32:13 GMT -5
All participating in the recording were in LA. Maybe you should listen to the interview again and don't forget the photos from the session. whoa, getting some hostility here. I was not trying to be hostile. I honestly think that listening to the interview again would be helpful to clear up some details that craazy was confused about - and the rest could then be clarified more easily. There were too many things packed in one post for me to attempt to clarify, it would take 2 hours to compose a coherent but also detailed reply - and still I could not offer back-up links as I don't have them saved. Also if I were to attempt to compose a reply many points would be replied by other members in the meantime. As a result of this reasoning, I suggested the best way I knew to start clearing the picture. *** Some background that I think was not mentioned. Avicii lived several months in LA in the springtime in order to work on his album (maybe mid-feb or march to mid-may or something like that). He did his DJ gigs all over the world during that time but his base was in LA. Nile was in LA for a week or so end April to work with Avicii but also with other projects. Nile and Adam met, had a dinner together and were seen in another studio a day or two before. As for the songwriting, we can imagine possible scenarios. Adam could have written a lot or just a few words, modified the melody or not etc. One thing we can be sure of is that it's a creative process that has no fixed path, it happens the way it happens in a particular case. Also plans may change. |
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Post by coo.coo.ca.choo on Sept 17, 2013 10:57:41 GMT -5
I guess I'm a little confused as to why the "timeline" for LMD is relevant.
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I got the impression that people were commenting on the WinStar topic from a few concerned Atops (not you) and probably Twitter. You are right--you did not post stuff all the stuff that people were commenting on. Made for interesting discussion, however.
They may do a partial day of rehearsals on the afternoon of the 16th but not likely. 
