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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 9:07:47 GMT -5
Here is where we differ, hugely, Talon. I feel Adam should be who he wants to be and not sacrifice his artistic vision to "get fans back." As far as I'm concerned, if they left him over the Trespassing album, IDK, I just can not even think of what to say about that.  Because, yes, there were dancey songs (4-5?) ... but there was also funk, Rock, Pop/Rock and beautiful ballads! As a matter of fact, what you are suggesting is exactly what RCA tried to do! RCA tried to "keep" those Idol & WWFM fans with BTIKM. Then with NCOE, they did a one, two punch of releasing the 2 singles that did NOT represent the rest of the album! It didn't work! Back when Queen was being highly criticized in the US, would you have told Queen to change what they were doing to quiet the critics and get fans back? I'll bet not! |
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Post by sunbaked on Jul 12, 2014 9:08:36 GMT -5
I have finally returned from my trip to Houston which was lovely. The concert -so amazing. I think the videos are so great but they don't give you any indication of the spectacle of the show. The lasers, the lights, the crowds all combined just become so much more stunning than I imagined. It really is a wonderful show. Watching back some of the videos gave me goosebumps remembering the combined awesomeness of all the elements. As for some of the reviews not being great. I think I am over it. Adam is an amazing artist, I know that. He won't be everyone's cup of tea, not everyone loves gaga or katy perry. I don't think I need everyone to love Adam like I used to. He is terrific, successful and having one hell of a good time performing with Queen. It is enough for me now. This is something that just came over me recently. Before, I felt the need to spread the news of how wonderful he is. I will still happily show someone a video, or share a song they might like, but I no longer need you to love him like I do. Just saying. Lastly, because I am running on. I bought merch at the show, t-shirts etc. I can answer size questions on both Men and Women (family had a good time at that merch table  ) The women's shirts with the gold Q only go down to medium, but they run small, my daughter is a x small and I am a large, we bought a size (or in her case 2) sizes larger and are happy with the fit. The merch guy said they had a couple of small shirts but we didn't actually like those shirts so we never tried them. Also they are 100% cotton, not worrying about too much shrinkage because I don't want to really wash them with the gold Q on it. Men's shirts ran pretty typical. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me. I will respond to every question I see on shirts if I can answer them. |
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Post by talon on Jul 12, 2014 9:28:13 GMT -5
Here is where we differ, hugely, Talon. I feel Adam should be who he wants to be and not sacrifice his artistic vision to "get fans back." As far as I'm concerned, if they left him over the Trespassing album, IDK, I just can not even think of what to say about that. Because, yes, there were dancey songs (4-5?) ... but there was also funk, Rock, Pop/Rock and beautiful ballads! As a matter of fact, what you are suggesting is exactly what RCA tried to do! RCA tried to "keep" those Idol & WWFM fans with BTIKM. Then with NCOE, they did a one, two punch of releasing the 2 singles that did NOT represent the rest of the album! It didn't work! Back when Queen was being highly criticized in the US, would you have told Queen to change what they were doing to quiet the critics and get fans back? I'll bet not! Well like I said initially in my post was that the initial argument was strictly about getting the success factor. I would never tell him to do something he didn't want to. I merely suggest that he has to decide what it is he wants. I also would suggest that if he does get the fans back and gets new fans, he might get big enough to be ABLE to do the artistic stuff and get away with it. Right now he's standing on a precipice. Nothing is black and white - you can have some compromise and yet still keep creative. I 110% backed Adam's decision to not do a covers album. THAT would be too much compromise. BUT instead of bouncing from producer to producer, and from songwriter to songwriter, build a team, take your time and build an organic vision. As for Queen. Honestly, let's look at Hot Space and how badly that damaged them. What did they do? They followed it up with The Works - a VERY safe Queen album. An album that was paint by numbers Queen and it isn't my favorite. I didn't like it as a hardcore fan...and it took awhile to regain their true artistry but they were able to at least partially because of it. It's all well and good and romantic to preach artistic integrity but the truth in the real world is that some compromise allows you the slack to go ahead out on the limb. AND you CAN do both at the same time... Looking again at Queen. Queen II is MANY hardcore fans favorite album. At the time though reviews stated that it was overblown and it was overproduced, and not accessible to radio with too long of songs, etc. etc. etc. Queen made Sheer Heart Attack with those reviews in mind and almost every song on the album is under 3:00. And yet, it was still an artistic success. It gave them a hit single and allowed them the freedom to go for it all on A Night At The Opera. |
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Post by cassie on Jul 12, 2014 9:32:01 GMT -5
OT, but not. I happened upon a news story about Britney's leaked raw vocals. They played the studio version, and then the unfixed Britney. Then, they asked if it made any difference to anyone, and if it was unfair and mean spirited to release it. AND THE HOSTS ALL AGREED IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO THEM HOW SHE ACTUALLY SOUNDED, or that her vocals were enhanced. They went to Britney concerts for the "Britney experience."
WTF? Seriously? That was an eye opener to me. Relating it to Adam, we love him in great part because of his incredible voice. We wonder why the world isn't similarly impressed. But, if these people are any indication, they don't give a flying flip about whether an artist has a good voice. They also said it was mean to release the audio. We wouldn't want others listening to us sing in the shower. We wouldn't want others to see us without make-up.
But, but, but, but aren't artists supposed to be the masters of their craft? Or at least capable of doing what they are famous for? If a Degas painting was actually childishly bad, but "fixed up" by another painter would it matter? If a famous chef couldn't actually cook, but just pretended to on camera, would it matter? If a record breaking athlete took enhancement drugs to excel would it matter? (I think that maybe Lance Armstrong would say "yes.")
Truth is, in pop music, to many people IT DOESN'T MATTER IN THE SLIGHTEST. The same people complain about reality TV show "stars" not having credibility. I don't get it! I guess I should be happy that Adam has gotten as much acclaim and respect for his voice as he has. He is an outlier in so many things, including talent.
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Post by Q3 on Jul 12, 2014 9:32:47 GMT -5
I keep reading how "Glamberts love everything Adam sings." My experience is different. Most Glamberts, Adam fans, Loyal Minions, etc., whatever fans chose to call themselves, love his voice and vocal style, but know a lot about music. They are very discriminating -- even about Adam. >> The idea that Adam fans are some mindless Borg blindly loving everything that comes out of is mouth is just off base. Glamberts/Adam fans love Adam -- and often defend him beyond reason as people do for people they love. Anyone who thinks Glamberts love everything Adam sings, just needs to Google fan comments about the first two singles from Trespassing. Not total love there. *** Just to prove my point, how many of you would be going to see Adam in concert fronting for KISS? Not me. There are limits even for a singer I love.  *** Queen + Adam Lambert is heavenly for me. I love them both and they work well together on many levels. I really can only think of one combo with Adam that would be at this level -- and that would not be as much fun -- Led Zeppelin -- no "Killer Queen" moment there but I would LOVE to see Adam do WLL with the real band. And perhaps "Stairway to Heaven" and "Black Dog". |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 9:40:01 GMT -5
cassie, I am going to see Britney in Vegas to hang out with my daughter who has been a fan since Mickey Mouse Club redux. Doesn't matter what or how she sings it. The staging and dancing is most important! It will be a big, fun party!  |
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Post by houselady on Jul 12, 2014 9:54:14 GMT -5
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Post by whatyasay on Jul 12, 2014 9:55:44 GMT -5
Just to prove my point, how many of you would be going to see Adam in concert fronting for KISS? Not me. There are limits even for a singer I love. *** Queen + Adam Lambert is heavenly for me. I love them both and they work well together on many levels. I really can only think of one combo with Adam that would be at this level -- and that would not be as much fun -- Led Zeppelin -- no "Killer Queen" moment there but I would LOVE to see Adam do WLL with the real band. And perhaps "Stairway to Heaven" and "Black Dog". KISS?? Adam made me love the American Idol finale performance, but a whole concert? Depends on the price of the tickets and travel  And I don't love everthing on Adam's two albums - but close! |
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Post by murly on Jul 12, 2014 10:00:57 GMT -5
OT, but not. I happened upon a news story about Britney's leaked raw vocals. They played the studio version, and then the unfixed Britney. Then, they asked if it made any difference to anyone, and if it was unfair and mean spirited to release it. AND THE HOSTS ALL AGREED IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO THEM HOW SHE ACTUALLY SOUNDED, or that her vocals were enhanced. They went to Britney concerts for the "Britney experience." WTF? Seriously? That was an eye opener to me. Relating it to Adam, we love him in great part because of his incredible voice. We wonder why the world isn't similarly impressed. But, if these people are any indication, they don't give a flying flip about whether an artist has a good voice. They also said it was mean to release the audio. We wouldn't want others listening to us sing in the shower. We wouldn't want others to see us without make-up. But, but, but, but aren't artists supposed to be the masters of their craft? Or at least capable of doing what they are famous for? If a Degas painting was actually childishly bad, but "fixed up" by another painter would it matter? If a famous chef couldn't actually cook, but just pretended to on camera, would it matter? If a record breaking athlete took enhancement drugs to excel would it matter? (I think that maybe Lance Armstrong would say "yes.") Truth is, in pop music, to many people IT DOESN'T MATTER IN THE SLIGHTEST. The same people complain about reality TV show "stars" not having credibility. I don't get it! I guess I should be happy that Adam has gotten as much acclaim and respect for his voice as he has. He is an outlier in so many things, including talent. I agree 100%, cassie. Hell, autotune me and give me millions of dollars. I feel very strongly that if you can't sing, you shouldn't be paid to be a singer. And if you sing as amazingly as Adam does, you deserve fame and fortune and everything that goes with it! |
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Post by sunbaked on Jul 12, 2014 10:07:38 GMT -5
Reading through the NY times article, which was lovely overall. I find it funny to see the No Freddie tagline again. It just reminded me of the older ones I am not seeing. What were they?
-American Idol Runner up
-Openly gay
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- No Freddie
Did I miss one? It is always something, no creativity with these writers. This was meant to be amusing, does it sound that way, can't tell.
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Because, yes, there were dancey songs (4-5?) ... but there was also funk, Rock, Pop/Rock and beautiful ballads! 
