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Post by red panda on Apr 24, 2015 19:09:04 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome, mirages! Pertinent to my previous post, this headline caught my eye:
Native American Actors Walk Off The Set Of Adam Sandler Comedy
Pertinent to me because in response to the walk off, Netflix responded: For me, this is an example of Netflix telling a group of Native Americans how they should feel about an issue that directly impacts the Native Americans. Not right, in my opinion. Plus, not a fan of that type of humor anyway, so may be a personal bent. And speaking of humor, here is a touch to brighten up this post:   |
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Post by mszue on Apr 25, 2015 11:51:49 GMT -5
I love that 'thought' diagram red-panda....that is me....constantly either 'over-explaining' or censoring myself to the point of abstention because of the reaction of others to me when I go into 'over explain' mode. I was actually ready to post a copy-paste of an old pm to mirages on gender and feminism but stopped when I saw where the conversation was going...and that is a good place to go...so letting go, for now at least. I will paste the link someone dropped in the main thread though, that prompted my almost action...it is interesting and is a discussion we have had on this forum a few times. But it is explained from an 'inside the gay' rather than a feminist perspective and so may carry a little more weight.... www.huffingtonpost.com/frente-feminista-casperiana-lisandra/in-brazils-macho-culture-_1_b_7139452.html?utm_hpI watched the news cap on that First Nations actors walking off site too...and agree, generally, with their actions. This also ties into the feminist stuff to a degree as all of it requires that the objects of the ridicule must adopt a sort of 'false consciousness' to buy into the 'it is al in good fun and you knew all that in the first place' paradigm. It is the very definition of passive aggression to be obnoxious and then claim you did not mean it that way therefore your indignation is uncalled for and demonstrative of a a lack of good humour, or even a sort of 'common sense'...lord I hate that term! It is the first refuge of inconsideration... now my disclaimer  IMHO, JMHO I think the publicity garnered by walking off site will [hopefully] make far more people think, and recognize the inherent racism of the film, that would ever happen by being 'good sports' and 'buying in' to the whole SATIRE argument. I agree it is racism and demeaning, pure and simple, and what appearing in the show will do to the hearts and souls of the actors in said show, will do far more damage to them and their kin, than the good the dollars will do. Easy for me to say, perhaps, but it is what I believe. This community is in the state it is because they have internalized their worth [more false consciousness] from what our colonizing culture has told them in multiple ways...and letting that version of the story be told just one more time is not going to do them one iota of good....I suspect...so good for them. Now if we women would rise up and do some of the same, think what we could accomplish! Think if we all voted for a woman when presented with the opportunity...even if the first time required a wee bit of perfume held to the nose. The first drop of water over a dry surface is the hardest one....the rest are far easier...imagine the good that could come out of that first drop! We in Canada have a great woman to vote for, but she is too far from the seat of power to get very close for a number of years. You in the US have a, arguably, less laudable but far more viable option. Oh how I wish I could vote in your election lol. We in Canada had our first woman but she was very short lived and only got there as she was used as a patsy for the evils of the patriarchs of her party...she was the fall guy and it was a disgusting attempt to kill two birds with one stone...deflect attention from the real architects of the downfall, and show how inept women in power could be, all at the same time...sad day in Canadian history...sigh... here I go...over sharing...over and out  |
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Post by toramenor on Apr 25, 2015 12:18:46 GMT -5
Now if we women would rise up and do some of the same, think what we could accomplish!  Nothing is impossible. (Sorry if the photo is too large. I don't know how to make it smaller.) ETA: And if somebody thinks Iceland is an isolated case, here's an interesting read (from the point of view of a French immigrant living in Norway) The Joys of Being a Woman in Norway |
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Post by toramenor on Apr 25, 2015 12:31:31 GMT -5
Pertinent to my previous post, this headline caught my eye:
Native American Actors Walk Off The Set Of Adam Sandler Comedy
Pertinent to me because in response to the walk off, Netflix responded: For me, this is an example of Netflix telling a group of Native Americans how they should feel about an issue that directly impacts the Native Americans. Not right, in my opinion. Plus, not a fan of that type of humor anyway, so may be a personal bent. I had seen the story. Never liked Sandler's "brand" of humor, so I'm not surprised that his movie is racist. I'm just glad there is vocal opposition and that people are talking about this. Netflix is doing what is expected: standing behind their investment, their money - they don't care about anything other than getting a return on that investment. *** P.S. I LIVE for that thought diagram! So funny (and accurate)! lol |
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Post by red panda on Apr 25, 2015 14:12:18 GMT -5
I thought (  ) that thought diagram would appeal. So true for me also. And another viewpoint about our ability to see and judge on appearance: 
and a thought I think would help alleviate judging others:
 Although I do excuse myself a little for talking about others, (I do try to do it with kindness), because I have always felt that there is nothing more fascinating to us than other people. I know I find us endlessly interesting. |
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Post by Jablea on Apr 25, 2015 14:25:03 GMT -5
I copied the subthoughts picture yesterday lol. I love luv to brainstorm. I also have a hallway that has post-it notes taped to it for the past year and a half. Hubby bugging me to take it down.
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Post by mirages on Apr 25, 2015 23:55:56 GMT -5
redpanda, thank you for such a thought(s)-provoking post! Love the humour, too -- one of my most favourite collective nouns is still "a murder of crows", but "a murmuration of starlings" and "an ostenation of peacocks" are also pretty good (thanks to "A Conspiracy of Ravens" by Bill Oddie). And the thought bubbles, yeah! I've often said that I converse by segue and it's dangerous because everything in my head is connected to everything else -- pull one string, you get the whole ball! And thanks for linking the article on the walk-out -- that's worth seeing and thinking about. It initially made me think of Mel Brooks doing "Springtime for Hitler," but the difference is that Mel Brooks is Jewish and has some right to work with that material. mszue, have you ever listened to the CBC radio program, "The Dead Dog Cafe"? First nations people have no shortage of a sense of humour about themselves and everybody else, that's for sure! (Oh, and what happened to Kim Campbell was a shame -- that was one smart, capable woman and such a waste that she was put in as a placeholder. She was once, briefly, minister of a government department I worked for and I got to sit in on her incredibly lengthy and detailed briefing session when she took on the portfolio. Long after the rest of us were limp and babbling, she was still alert, good-tempered and firing out really good, relevant questions -- impressed me!). toramenor, great contributions as always -- I was completely unaware of the efficacy of the feminist movement in Iceland! And I haven't yet read the linked article, but will do that next. And jablea, nice to see you! I empathize with those post-it notes. One of my favourite lines from ani difranco is, "I have the answer. I wrote it down. I just have to find it ..."
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Post by mszue on Apr 26, 2015 15:52:50 GMT -5
redpanda, thank you for such a thought(s)-provoking post! Love the humour, too -- one of my most favourite collective nouns is still "a murder of crows", but "a murmuration of starlings" and "an ostenation of peacocks" are also pretty good (thanks to "A Conspiracy of Ravens" by Bill Oddie). And the thought bubbles, yeah! I've often said that I converse by segue and it's dangerous because everything in my head is connected to everything else -- pull one string, you get the whole ball! And thanks for linking the article on the walk-out -- that's worth seeing and thinking about. It initially made me think of Mel Brooks doing "Springtime for Hitler," but the difference is that Mel Brooks is Jewish and has some right to work with that material. mszue, have you ever listened to the CBC radio program, "The Dead Dog Cafe"? First nations people have no shortage of a sense of humour about themselves and everybody else, that's for sure! (Oh, and what happened to Kim Campbell was a shame -- that was one smart, capable woman and such a waste that she was put in as a placeholder. She was once, briefly, minister of a government department I worked for and I got to sit in on her incredibly lengthy and detailed briefing session when she took on the portfolio. Long after the rest of us were limp and babbling, she was still alert, good-tempered and firing out really good, relevant questions -- impressed me!). toramenor, great contributions as always -- I was completely unaware of the efficacy of the feminist movement in Iceland! And I haven't yet read the linked article, but will do that next. And jablea, nice to see you! I empathize with those post-it notes. One of my favourite lines from ani difranco is, "I have the answer. I wrote it down. I just have to find it ..." Mirage...you are me re the 'all ideas connect'...it is difficult to trace an idea's lineage though, at times, as others often do not see the genesis of a point and therefore find it frustrating...I used to get teased in Grad school for that all the time..  Yes, I used to listen to the Dead Dog Cafe and roar..they were really funny. I agree re Kim Campbell...what a dirty deal they dealt her. I am very lucky to be on Elizabeth May's executive board [ I live in her riding]. She is bright and witty....and has a prodigious memory! I would have loved to meet Kim. How empowered those Icelandic women must have felt. Of course we can do whatever we wish...we are OVER 50% of the population, we just need to believe we can. That is the hard part... |
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Post by toramenor on Apr 27, 2015 1:28:57 GMT -5
Although I do excuse myself a little for talking about others, (I do try to do it with kindness), because I have always felt that there is nothing more fascinating to us than other people. I believe no topic should be taboo - but like you said - as long as we do it with kindness and good intentions; if there is no malice behind it. Of course people are fascinating: we are all unique, how amazing and incredible is that! How varied the combinations of individual characteristics; how rich the diversity of the human race! No wonder it's so difficult to analyse ourselves, and no wonder any generalisations are bound to be misleading at best, and dangerous and harmful at worst. But the only way to truly know someone is, like you said, to talk TO them, not ABOUT them. |
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Post by babs12 on Apr 27, 2015 14:44:16 GMT -5
Below is information on a bike ride raising money for the LGBT communities in San Francisco and Los Angeles - My daughter-in-law Joyce will be participating. This is more for a news worthy share than contributions, however all monies go directly to the cause - Here is her e-mail to me below - Not sure where to share this with Atop members - but thought some may have an interest - Is Adam related indirectly due to the LGBT community of Los Angeles benefiting from this event. If this should be posted elsewhere or not posted at all - Please PM me and I will delete. Babs12 From Joyce: On May 31, 2015 I am going to ride 545 miles down the beautiful California coast as a cyclist in AIDS/LifeCycle 2015. Why am I doing this? Simply put, I have more reasons TO ride than not. I have more reasons TO raise money for this cause than to sit in a chair and read about it. I am riding because I want to honor the memories of friends I loved and lost to this pandemic many years ago. They taught me so much about living truthfully – about living MY truth. Last year, I was a virtual cyclist on Team Goodisness and was able to raise some money to help those living with HIV and AIDS. This coming year, I AM RIDING and challenging myself to live outside my comfort zone physically, mentally AND spiritually all along the way. AIDS/LifeCycle is co-produced by the San Francisco AIDS Foundation and the Los Angeles LGBT Center and is designed to advance their shared interests to end the pandemic and human suffering caused by AIDS. The goals of AIDS/LifeCycle are to: 1.Raise funds to support the HIV/AIDS services of the Los Angeles LGBT Center and the San Francisco AIDS Foundation; 2.Increase awareness and knowledge about the services and programs offered by the benefiting organizations; 3.Increase awareness and knowledge about HIV/AIDS among participants, their donors and the general public; 4.Increase AIDS activism and volunteerism among the participant and donor communities, inspiring them to become ambassadors in the fight against AIDS; 5.Provide a positive, life-affirming experience for people affected and infected by HIV; 6.Contribute to an increased understanding of the disproportionate impact HIV has had on the GLBT communities in SF and LA; 7.Encourage an environment of dignity and improved quality of life for those affected by HIV and AIDS. While it is up to me to do the physical part of this endeavor, I cannot fulfill my promise of fundraising as well without your help. Want some suggestions of how much to donate? •$1,000 covers a full year of medical supply costs for 55 patients •$545 is $1 for every mile I'll ride from San Francisco to LA •$333 represents the 33.3 million people worldwide living with HIV •$100 provides 8 free rapid HIV tests to clients •$54.50 is $0.10 for every mile I’ll ride from San Francisco to LA •$10 buys 143 condoms that the Health Education and Prevention Program will distribute If you cannot afford to donate all at once, there is an option for you to contribute monthly, which we hope will ease the burden of a one-time donation. “O me! O life! …of the questions of these recurring; of the endless trains of the faithless -- of cities filled with the foolish; what good amid these O me, O life? Answer. That you are here - that life exists, and identity; that the powerful play goes on and you may contribute a verse.” - Walt Whitman Contribute your verse dear friend. Please join me now and lets end this pandemic once and for all. We’ll keep riding until HIV/AIDS are a thing of the past. www.tofighthiv.org/goto/JoyceWalton |
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