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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 16:18:26 GMT -5
Were these 2 albums released after 2010? because if not, there is no comparison! Albums before that were expected to sell a million. Sadly, now, 200K is considered a successful album! It's the iTunes and single generation!
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Post by melliemom on Sept 1, 2014 16:23:18 GMT -5
I love the Trespassing album and the more I listen to it the more I think It will be recognized as a great album some day... I think some in the industry already feel that way..
I do agree with you Talon, that Adam needs incredible songs that move the public.. But that takes a lot of push..and who knows what the public is going to love??
I remember reading an article where Pharrell said he couldn't get his last extremely popular song on the air.. It took lots of work to do so,because many people in the industry didn't care for Happy. With massive pushing,Once it got played ,on radio over and over again,... well. It's a popular song,but is it great??
THat's the thing ,popular doesn't mean that the music is good .To me so much of today's music is inane,insipid and just repeats the same two lines over and over again.. I remember when songs told a story...BTW I think Adam has many very heartfelt meaningful songs... i.e. Nirvana,one of my very favorites.
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Post by nica575 on Sept 1, 2014 16:24:10 GMT -5
Were these 2 albums released after 2010? because if not, there is no comparison! Albums before that were expected to sell a million. Sadly, now, 200K is considered a successful album! It's the iTunes and single generation! Yup. EVERY YEAR makes a difference.... I am afraid to even think of the 2015 landscape... |
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Post by geezlouise on Sept 1, 2014 16:35:10 GMT -5
Just for perspective...... here are the 15 top selling albums of 2012(Trespassing's release year).
US Top-Selling Albums of 2012:
#1 Adele, 21, 4,414,000 (It sold 5,824,000 copies in 2011 and ruled the Nielsen 2011 Year-End Albums Chart as well, totaling 10,238,000)
#2 Taylor Swift, Red, 3,107,000 (This is the 4th time that Swift has had an album in the year-end top three)
#3 One Direction, Up All Night, 1,616,000
#4 Mumford And Sons, Babel, 1,463,000
#5 One Direction, Take Me Home, 1,340,000
#6 Justin Bieber, Believe, 1,324,000
#7 Carrie Underwood, Blown Away, 1,203,000
#8 Luke Bryan, Tailgates & Tanlines, 1,105,000
#9 Lionel Richie, Tuskegee, 1,071,000
#10 Jason Aldean, Night Train, 1,024,000
#11 Maroon5, Overexposed, 988,000
#12 Pink, The Truth About Love, 945,000
#13 Fun, Some Nights, 903,000
#14 Whitney Houston, Whitney: The Greatest Hits, 886,000
#15 Rod Stewart, Merry Christmas, Baby, 858,000 (the year's top-selling Christmas album)
source: @chartnews
Note that only 10 ....TEN...... sold > 1,000,000 copies in 2012.
ETA: In 2012 in the U.S.......
Only 10 albums sold more than 1,000,000
Only 43 albums sold more than 500,000
Only 118 albums sold more than 250,000
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Post by taumbu on Sept 1, 2014 16:37:04 GMT -5
I love the Trespassing album and the more I listen to it the more I think It will be recognized as a great album some day... I think some in the industry already feel that way.. I do agree with you Talon, that Adam needs incredible songs that move the public.. But that takes a lot of push..and who knows what the public is going to love?? I remember reading an article where Pharrell said he couldn't get his last extremely popular song on the air.. It took lots of work to do so,because many people in the industry didn't care for Happy. With massive pushing,Once it got played ,on radio over and over again,... well. Do you really think Happy is a GREAT song??? It's a popular song,but is it great?? THat's the thing ,popular doesn't mean that the music is good .To me so much of today's music is inane,insipid and just repeats the same two lines over and over again.. I remember when songs told a story... Slightly OT but it's my understanding the only reason HAPPY finally got played on the radio is because Ellen Degeneres played it on her show. And we all know how Ellen feels about Adam. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 16:37:50 GMT -5
no hit singles is a bit of a mischaracterization of the Trespassing era IMO. BTIKM reached #18 on the HOT AC chart and NCOE reached #35. They were by no means smashes but they both peaked within the top 40 on the format I would say they were most aimed at. Neither were great pop songs and in fact most would argue they were the two weakest songs on the album and therefore the worst choices for the singles but that is what RCA choose and that is what we ended up with. Also, the album sold outside the U.S. and while it didn't put up the numbers that FYE did it did respectably well, charting in the top 5 in multiple countries if memory serves me correctly. I do agree that Trespassing underperformed and I would even go so far as to say it was a disappointment in the context of sales however, I don't measure the success of an album on how much it sells but rather on how much I liked it and how much I still play it and I still play Trespassing frequently. I am not sure what Van Halen 3 or the Cosmo Rocks has to do with the discussion currently happening? Wouldn't that be better saved for when and if Adam is included on an album with Queen since Adam hasn't released an album as anything other than a solo artist and both are considered reasonably successful within the industry standards? Of course more success is always nice but will that automatically mean the music is better? I hear shit music on the radio all the time that is hugely successful, that doesn't mean that is what I want Adam putting out. I would rather Adam have less success doing what he loves and making the music that HE wants to make than to be a platinum selling Justin Beiber/One Direction flash in the pan artist churning out craptastic music just to get on the radio.
On my phone so I can't do as long a response as I wanted to bu just wanted to say I pointed out VH3 and QPR as discs that probably sold similar amounts to Trespassing.and the singles charted on different charts but overall were considered flops which is what I consider trespassing. That's all. I do want Adam to do bieber or anything craptastic but he still deserves better material. When he sings great material he shines! VH3 was released in 98 before the bottom dropped out of the record industry sales so that isn't an album I would even consider for comparison myself but for the sake of debate I will point out that VH3 was the 11th studio album of a very well established band and it debuted at #4 on the BB200 US chart and #4 on the Canadian chart. It was certified Gold and had three singles, one of which went to #1 on the Rock chart. Cosmo Rocks was released in 2008 and the record industry was on the downward spiral when it came to sales but again not really an accurate model for comparison considering it was an album lead by legends with two huge fan bases which most would have assumed would be interested in buying this collaboration. I am more willing to look at Cosmo Rocks v. Trespassing simply due to the timeframe of release so let's take a look US BB200 - Cosmo Rocks #47 - Trespassing #1 UK chart Cosmo Rocks #5 - Trespassing #16 Australian Chart Cosmo Rocks #49 - Trespassing #10 Finnish Chart - Cosmo Rocks # 15 - Trespassing #2 Hungarian Chart - Cosmo Rocks #15 - Trespassing #1 Cosmo Rocks debuted in the top 10 in Six Countries while Trespassing debuted in the top 10 in Eight Countries Cosmo Rocks had 6 top 20 debuts as did Trespassing. Trespassing debuted at #1 in three countries, Cosmo Rocks did not debut at #1 in any country, not even the UK. Comparatively speaking, i would say Trespassing is the more successful of the two, if we are doing a comparison I mean. I don't think anyone disagrees that Adam shines when he sings great material I think the disagree is that he hasn't put out great material of his own on which he shines because I would assume that many of his fans, myself included, believe that he has even if the sales do not bare that out. |
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Post by geezlouise on Sept 1, 2014 16:38:48 GMT -5
On my phone so I can't do as long a response as I wanted to bu just wanted to say I pointed out VH3 and QPR as discs that probably sold similar amounts to Trespassing.and the singles charted on different charts but overall were considered flops which is what I consider trespassing. That's all. I do want Adam to do bieber or anything craptastic but he still deserves better material. When he sings great material he shines! Singing great material is only one piece of the puzzle. It doesn't guarantee anyone a hit single or album. There is so much more that has to go right. |
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Post by nica575 on Sept 1, 2014 16:44:07 GMT -5
BombDizzled @yellowsistabert 29m 200 new tickets on sale now for Queen! shar.es/11uOvZ via @sharethis |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 16:44:18 GMT -5
Thank you! I think people forget how hard it is to sell albums these days. Numbers that would have looked anemic in 1985 are perfectly reasonable in 2014. Stayed in BB 200 for 10 weeks. Was #177 at the end of the year. Probably at least 350K worldwide!  1) 77K #1 2) 33K #12 3) 12K #24\ 4) 8K #54 5) 7K #68 6) 5K #107 7) 4K #115 8) 3K #165 9) 3K #171 10) 3K #186 155K at 10 weeks. Dropped off the 200 after 10 weeks. Not to mention critically acclaimed by all but 2 reviewers! 192K as of beginning of 2014! US only  thanks for the numbers s*&@^#r. not as bad as I would have thought given the "dropped pretty quickly" comment earlier. |
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Post by bridgeymah on Sept 1, 2014 17:00:45 GMT -5
And as the golden glow of Queen fades the dead horses lying around are once again revealed...
Ok I'll take a whack.
Tresspassing wasn't a flop but nor was it the global smash we all would have liked to see. It lives in the middle as a mostly critically acclaimed and largely under appreciated album that sold well enough for the times we are in. It remains a body of work that (bastard songs aside) Adam seems proud of. And in having both Pharrell and Niles as contributors was clearly in some respects ahead of the curve.
Adam is loyal. His friends are part of his family. Not everyone in his band hits that mark and so I expect to see some changes but if people are expecting him to ditch Tommy then I think you're going to be disappointed. It all depends on the music. That said I'd love to see him build a band of strength and creativity that can support, grow and succeed with him much like Keith Urban (and countless other solo artists) have done.
Okay stepping back under the dying embers of the Queen glow for rest of the week... I suspect NZ is going to be off the hook.
#carryon
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