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Post by rihannsu on Feb 25, 2012 12:25:23 GMT -5
NationalGlampoon, is adding the rasp using false chords mainly a male thing like falsetto? Or can women do it too? Women can do it too! Here's a video of a man teaching it to a woman, might shed some more light www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCw8ZM9UbfMYou know in that NPR thing about Freddie Adam talked about Freddie squeezing the notes. I wonder if this is what he meant. Freddie may or may not have been using the false folds but maybe that's how Adam learned to duplicate Freddie's growl. |
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Post by Holst on Feb 26, 2012 15:22:05 GMT -5
NationalGlampoon, is adding the rasp using false chords mainly a male thing like falsetto? Or can women do it too? Women can do it too! Here's a video of a man teaching it to a woman, might shed some more light www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCw8ZM9UbfMThanks much. Voice training just has so much mystery behind it. I'm used to teaching violin where you can pretty much SEE everything that is going on. |
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Post by rihannsu on Feb 27, 2012 22:00:40 GMT -5
I know a lot of us have watched the Queen Documentary over the last few days but I am posting a link here to a documentary on Freddie that really paints a picture a true creative soul very similar in many respects to what we see in Adam. Towards the end the collaboration with Montserrat Caballe is covered with Montserrat telling the story of their first meeting. It is a beautiful story of two people who truly live for music. There are many similarities in outlook and even somewhat in personality between Adam and Freddie but Adam is blessed to have avoided many of the pitfalls that Freddie succumbed to. I was especially touched though by Freddie's description toward the end of his relationship with his last lover as it seems he and Adam searched for similar things. Adam is lucky to have found his love much earlier than Freddie did. The link is to part one but it works as a playlist and will play through all the parts if you let it run. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eoxknrfBZ8&feature=autoplay&list=PL94D3E79E6D8D008F&lf=plpp_video&playnext=12I put this here because we have talked about how singer NEED to sing and Freddie's story is definitely that of someone who NEEDED to sing as he needed to breath. |
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Post by gabby on Feb 28, 2012 13:58:08 GMT -5
cassie....a satire of Adam vs Freddie match ....I found this on You Tube made by a Freddie Fan from DDD... anyway so many personal opinion of why he thinks Freddie did a fantastic job - Adam off key, Freddie on key, Freddie puts his heart out in his delivery if his off key :D (mind you they did not even consider studio vs LIVE recording) he concluded Adam won the match! At the end he admitted that Adam beat Freddie due to his technically SUPERB performance - that riffs at the end - if not Adam knocking off that riff Freddie should have won (because they know Freddie cannot do it, JMO) Freddie got screwed over because of that ;D .... cassie... are they talking about the ending of TSMGO where Adam sustained that last note for so long and eventually come down to match the ending key the band was playing? CWA-Freddie Mercury Vs Adam Lambert (Hardcore Match) Just go straight to 14:47  ETA: I wonder if they saw this because based on this, IMO, Adam is winning big time (Live vs LIVE) ;D www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3Ez9tNHr_I
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Post by evergreen on Feb 28, 2012 23:52:16 GMT -5
I know a lot of us have watched the Queen Documentary over the last few days but I am posting a link here to a documentary on Freddie that really paints a picture a true creative soul very similar in many respects to what we see in Adam. Towards the end the collaboration with Montserrat Caballe is covered with Montserrat telling the story of their first meeting. It is a beautiful story of two people who truly live for music. There are many similarities in outlook and even somewhat in personality between Adam and Freddie but Adam is blessed to have avoided many of the pitfalls that Freddie succumbed to. I was especially touched though by Freddie's description toward the end of his relationship with his last lover as it seems he and Adam searched for similar things. Adam is lucky to have found his love much earlier than Freddie did. The link is to part one but it works as a playlist and will play through all the parts if you let it run. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eoxknrfBZ8&feature=autoplay&list=PL94D3E79E6D8D008F&lf=plpp_video&playnext=12I put this here because we have talked about how singer NEED to sing and Freddie's story is definitely that of someone who NEEDED to sing as he needed to breath. Both the two-hour Queen documentary and the 12-part Freddie documentary are really fascinating. And if anyone hasn't watched the Live Aid performance, it's quite an experience, even on YouTube. What really stands out for me is Freddie's interaction with the audience. It really doesn't matter if he misses a few notes or doesn't sing the most difficult version - the mutual love is what is showing here. Adam and Freddie are different, yet they share that fan interaction - both a joy to watch! Oh, what a summer it will be!!! |
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Post by cassie on Feb 28, 2012 23:57:52 GMT -5
cassie....a satire of Adam vs Freddie match ....I found this on You Tube made by a Freddie Fan from DDD... anyway so many personal opinion of why he thinks Freddie did a fantastic job - Adam off key, Freddie on key, Freddie puts his heart out in his delivery if his off key :D (mind you they did not even consider studio vs LIVE recording) he concluded Adam won the match! At the end he admitted that Adam beat Freddie due to his technically SUPERB performance - that riffs at the end - if not Adam knocking off that riff Freddie should have won (because they know Freddie cannot do it, JMO) Freddie got screwed over because of that ;D .... cassie... are they talking about the ending of TSMGO where Adam sustained that last note for so long and eventually come down to match the ending key the band was playing? CWA-Freddie Mercury Vs Adam Lambert (Hardcore Match) Just go straight to 14:47 ETA: I wonder if they saw this because based on this, IMO, Adam is winning big time (Live vs LIVE) ;D www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3Ez9tNHr_I Very strange video. But, he is talking about Adam knocking off the Ref... as in referee, not a riff. He is saying that Freddie pinned Adam and should have won, but the ref was knocked out and didn't start the count until late. Still, he seems to admit that Adam is technically better and outsings Freddie. But Freddie has soul and Adam is soul-less. Or some such nonsense. I don't know. It was strange. |
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Post by gabby on Feb 29, 2012 1:05:35 GMT -5
Thanks, cassie....
Anyway I did mention this to before about what I observed between Freddie vs Adam singing live... of course Freddie was a seasoned performer and Adam is just starting... so just my own observation of the differences in WATC delivery....
Don't throw stones at me... ;D this is just an observation if I was in the audience listening to Freddie vs Adam... vocally, Adam is my man without a doubt but delivering the message here's my take...
1. Freddie seems to sing WITH the people as if we are experiencing this together and we have to stand firm or something like that..."And bad mistakes, I made a few... I've had my share of sand kicked in my face - But I've come through" .. Freddie seems to be singing this as part of the group surviving the odds...
2. Whereas Adam's is more "internal" like this happened to me and so I'm fighting back ..."And bad mistakes, I made a few... I've had my share of sand kicked in my face - But I've come through" like he is so detemined to survive
In the chorus, Freddie excels in drawing the audience to sing with him like "We are the champions, my friend" and he is leading the passionate drive to overcome whatever they are fighting for...
Adam has to create that kind of passion to entice audience to stand with him as he is standing for them....
This is just my opinion of how I perceived the message is being delivered ... so in my opinion, Adam has to learn how to create an atmosphere where he is singing with the people instead of singing about his personal experience (in this particular song, anyway).
You know, cassie, I did mention to you before how Adam gets in the zone where he tends to get into the character of the song he is trying to portray. Maybe I just expect too much too soon for Adam to have the same magic that Freddie has in drawing the audience to hang on to his every word or command .... I know Adam will get there and most importantly it has to depend on the type of songs he is singing. I can't wait for the Trespassing single which is more like an anthem per Adam's description and invites audience participation as in WWRY.
In AI ... Adam and NAL were singing to each other... We are the champions, my friend... in the EMA, Adam seems to focus on the Queen tribute as champions and interact with Brian more than interacting with the audience ... having a limited TV time did not help :D ...
So if Adam will perform this and I'm sure he will in both concerts, I would love for him to sing the song (especially the chorus) as the leader of a movement surviving against all odds or whatever instead of "I" survive as he did ...
I respect everybody's opinion if your take is different from mine. This is just purely my opinion based on my observation.
Here is an example of what I'm talking about....
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Post by cassie on Feb 29, 2012 1:36:02 GMT -5
Interesting observations, gabby. I think that Adam has the ability to draw the audience in with him...."Now, JUMP!" It will be interesting to see how he chooses to perform. Singing from his own experience, or leading the audience in a shared experience. Both are valid and compelling.
I know that Adam does not want to appear to be imitating Freddie in any way. If he engages, or attempts to engage the audience as Freddie did, that would look to some as Adam trying to duplicate Freddie's trademark. The thing is, when Freddie led the audience in sing alongs, he had already established himself with them, they were already on his side, they were expecting to be included, they wanted to participate with Freddie. They were invested in giving back to him. Adam, on the other hand, will be facing some skeptical folks who are waiting for him to prove himself or screw up. Will they willingly allow themselves to be swept along or will they resist because Adam has not yet created a relationship with them? Good question, tough call.
I am sure Brian and Roger will discuss such things with Adam, and they will go with what they think is best. If Adam were playing to an arena of his fans, I have no doubt he could rally them in a sing-along. In this situation? A toss-up. We will have to wait and see how they play it.
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Post by gabby on Feb 29, 2012 4:07:15 GMT -5
Thank you so much, cassie... I understand exactly what you meant from the above post. Personally, I prefer the way Adam is, the way he sings, his intensity, his interpretation of any song he sings. I am not into singing along :D as I only want to listen to Adam's voice and savor every sound coming out of his vocal chords. I do see your point though of... if he tries to hard to get the Queen audience to react to him the way they did with Freddie's then it would really look like what he is trying to avoid all along... imitate Freddie... You are right, in time, Adam will gain his own credibility in engaging the crowd to react to his music based on his performance and not from imitating other performers even his idol... You probably won't believe this but I felt so much better after reading your post... I guess I needed that reassurance that he will be OK in front of those super-critical Queen/Freddie fans. So thanks...  |
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Post by cassie on Feb 29, 2012 12:02:07 GMT -5
Thank you so much, cassie... I understand exactly what you meant from the above post. Personally, I prefer the way Adam is, the way he sings, his intensity, his interpretation of any song he sings. I am not into singing along :D as I only want to listen to Adam's voice and savor every sound coming out of his vocal chords. I do see your point though of... if he tries to hard to get the Queen audience to react to him the way they did with Freddie's then it would really look like what he is trying to avoid all along... imitate Freddie... You are right, in time, Adam will gain his own credibility in engaging the crowd to react to his music based on his performance and not from imitating other performers even his idol... You probably won't believe this but I felt so much better after reading your post... I guess I needed that reassurance that he will be OK in front of those super-critical Queen/Freddie fans. So thanks... Glad to be of service. hahaha I'm with you... I want to hear ADAM'S voice. Don't want to hear a bunch of people around me singing off-key. Don't even want to add my own voice, because I don't want anything interfering with what I hear from Adam. But, in such a huge crowd, it will be noisy regardless. I think there will be enuf Adam fans, plus Queen fans eager to hear them perform again, plus folks who have heard great things about the new Queen singer that it will not be an antagonistic audience. Perhaps a bit hesitant in the beginning, but, once Adam starts singing and Queen starts pounding out their hits, most everyone will be converted. Not a Freddie replacement, but, living, breathing, awesome Queen songs taking on a new life. |
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