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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 6:33:35 GMT -5
Pi, the woman caled it "flapping jaw."
Adam's enunciation is fine, IMO. It is just the quality of the venue's acoustics and camera quality. The videos are all taken with in camera mics.
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Post by cassie on Mar 12, 2012 9:27:38 GMT -5
Cassie, interested in your opinion. A few weeks ago Rolling Stone posted something about singer Nate Ruess who is lead singer for new indie band Fun. They have a breakout hit here in Oz with song that Glee covered called "we are young" – in their article they made comparison of Nate to Adam particularly with relation to high notes. Was curious what your take on Nate is. I find his voice pleasant and the song is certainly catchy, but when I listen to others you tubes of his singing it feels a bit flat and "shouty" something Adam mostly manages to avoid even when belting. Here is him singing the "we are young" song: www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLGhPHzxjc&feature=fvsrAnyone else feel free to chime in also. This guy seems to be getting quite a bit of buzz and with dearth of good male vocalists out there is interesting to see differences and reactions to them. I listened to this cut and several others on YT. I guess I can understand why they are comparing him to Adam. He has a clear rather pure tone to his voice. No gravel, no breathiness, it doesn't sound like he is trying to push out a constipated nugget when he goes for the high notes. And, he sings sings a C5, and even a D5 in full voice. That's where the similarities end. I hear no warmth, no texture in his voice. It is brittle and piercing. He uses no vibrato to soften or warm it, either. He hits the high notes but, with no finesse or subtlety. Rather like a jack-hammer. His breath support is inconsistent, resulting in inconsistent pitch on the upper notes. In that, he reminds me more of Durbin. I also don't hear any sophisticated interpretation of the songs. He goes at them full speed, but, I don't hear as much of an arc or a story/lyrical line when he sings. As an analogy, if Adam's voice is a fine, aged wine with subtle notes and depths of flavor, Nate's is a bottle of cheap, acidic new wine. And this snippet is like fingernails on chalkboard to my ears. Of course, this is only my opinion. YMMV. |
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Post by cassie on Mar 12, 2012 9:34:10 GMT -5
Cassie, I don't think I have posted here more than once or twice, but I have this thread bookmarked, so I read every post. I just wanted to let you know that your Master Class thread is one of my favorite things about Adamtopia. I am fascinated by the technical aspects of Adam's vocals, and you make the information very accessible to those of us with no experience or background in that area. I'm so looking forward to meeting you in Atlanta.  Thanks so much for posting. I am pleased that you have this thread bookmarked. While we rarely have the "lively" discussions of other threads, we enjoy pointing out the great things about Adam's voice and delivery, and also analyzing other voices. Can't wait to meet everyone at Mayumi's party. We are gonna go "Cukoo." |
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Post by cassie on Mar 12, 2012 9:53:34 GMT -5
Cassie.. Adam usually has great enunciation so that you can understand the words he's singing, but for some of Chokehold, I can't make out what he's singing. Can you please explain what might be the reason for that? Also, some days back, someone posted a critique of Adam's singing by a vocal coach.. of course, I can't recall who posted it or when, but the vocal coach mentioned that Adam was doing something, I think she referred to it as a bad habit, which could affect his vocal chords later on.. or something like that. Anyway, I just remember it being not a good thing.. Did you get a chance to read that? Any thoughts? ETA I just saw that shev posted the link a few posts up.. glitterkez.tumblr.com/post/18902701182/an-analysis-of-adams-singing-by-vocal-techniqueI agree with s*&@^#r that the difficulty with understanding the lyrics is not in Adam's delivery, but in the poor quality of the recording and the problems he was having balancing the sound. I read the vocal coach's comments about Adam. As for the trembling jaw, I think that was a technique Adam was experimenting with at the time -- perhaps to convey tension and angst in that song. I don't recall seeing him do that in other songs, except for Idol's "WOMAN...." in WLL. There I definitely thought it was an affectation. He certainly does not have to use this (poor) technique to produce a vibrato. I love CTMBTM ---such a light, pure tone and delivery. I do agree with her that Adam's voice is bright with not as much depth of warm harmonics as he has developed since then. Remember, he was 22 at the the time, and his voice and technique were still growing. It would have been nice to have the coach comment on his sound in new works like the acoustic versions we have recently had of OOL. Or even the GNT "Soaked." His voice has certainly taken on more warmth and depth since those early days. The stuff about the glottal opening and the air being pushed thru etc basically means to me that he is singing in a more contemporary pop/rock style. No, in his rock stuff he rarely uses pure head voice. It would sound too "legitimate" in my opinion. He uses full voice, blended head and chest, and he does sometimes squeeze the notes to get that rough rock sound. Again, Is Anybody Listening is an "old" song, done when Adam was still developing a rock sound, and moving away from the light opera/musical theater vocal tone. Angelina has said that when he sings now, he is not creating pressure at the level of the vocal folds (cords) to create that sound, but is using his throat muscles. I trust her opinion. And since Adam continues to work with a vocal coach, I am sure that the coach keeps a watchful eye on how Adam is producing that sound, so there is no vocal cord strain. I agree with the coach that Adam is great articulating words, especially on the high notes. That is incredibly difficult, and he always impresses me with that ability. As I said before, I would like to read what she has to say about his more recent vocals. I think he has grown immensely since 2004. Since 2009. Even since the early part of the GNT. And, he will continue to get better! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 11:43:35 GMT -5
 OMG!! Was it ever!! DEAD!!! (OK, I am leaving you serious music people now and will go back to news to flail!)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 15:07:33 GMT -5
Very OT, Cassie I have to buy an album of light classical to use as back ground for a memorial. Do you have an suggestions?
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Post by bridgeymah on Mar 12, 2012 15:21:23 GMT -5
Cassie, interested in your opinion. A few weeks ago Rolling Stone posted something about singer Nate Ruess who is lead singer for new indie band Fun. They have a breakout hit here in Oz with song that Glee covered called "we are young" – in their article they made comparison of Nate to Adam particularly with relation to high notes. Was curious what your take on Nate is. I find his voice pleasant and the song is certainly catchy, but when I listen to others you tubes of his singing it feels a bit flat and "shouty" something Adam mostly manages to avoid even when belting. Here is him singing the "we are young" song: www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLGhPHzxjc&feature=fvsrAnyone else feel free to chime in also. This guy seems to be getting quite a bit of buzz and with dearth of good male vocalists out there is interesting to see differences and reactions to them. I listened to this cut and several others on YT. I guess I can understand why they are comparing him to Adam. He has a clear rather pure tone to his voice. No gravel, no breathiness, it doesn't sound like he is trying to push out a constipated nugget when he goes for the high notes. And, he sings sings a C5, and even a D5 in full voice. That's where the similarities end. I hear no warmth, no texture in his voice. It is brittle and piercing. He uses no vibrato to soften or warm it, either. He hits the high notes but, with no finesse or subtlety. Rather like a jack-hammer. His breath support is inconsistent, resulting in inconsistent pitch on the upper notes. In that, he reminds me more of Durbin. I also don't hear any sophisticated interpretation of the songs. He goes at them full speed, but, I don't hear as much of an arc or a story/lyrical line when he sings. As an analogy, if Adam's voice is a fine, aged wine with subtle notes and depths of flavor, Nate's is a bottle of cheap, acidic new wine. And this snippet is like fingernails on chalkboard to my ears. Of course, this is only my opinion. YMMV. Cassie thanks for that, pretty much lines up with what I was hearing and couldn't articulate. :-) |
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Post by cassie on Mar 12, 2012 16:34:31 GMT -5
Very OT, Cassie I have to buy an album of light classical to use as back ground for a memorial. Do you have an suggestions? Hmmm. I have a CD called "American Adagios". Beautiful, peaceful melodies, soft and soothing for the most part. Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings is one of the most beautiful classical pieces I have ever heard. Here is a performance of it honoring those who lost their lives in 9/11. If you PM me with an email address, I can send you mp3 files of the other songs to sample. www.amazon.com/American-Adagios-Samuel-Barber/dp/B000009RCU/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1331587568&sr=1-1 |
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Post by rihannsu on Mar 14, 2012 17:01:55 GMT -5
Cassie,
Over at DDD Sir just posted a clip of Adam hitting G#2 in Today's Fever. That's lower than what we have for his lowest so far right? What do you think?
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Post by cassie on Mar 14, 2012 17:18:27 GMT -5
Cassie, Over at DDD Sir just posted a clip of Adam hitting G#2 in Today's Fever. That's lower than what we have for his lowest so far right? What do you think? Well, it ain't singing, is it? It is spoken. Is the pitch at G#2? Sorry, I just can't tell. Not sung, but spoken. Only for a mini-second. Should we take his word for it? |
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