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Post by rihannsu on Mar 14, 2012 17:29:41 GMT -5
Cassie, Over at DDD Sir just posted a clip of Adam hitting G#2 in Today's Fever. That's lower than what we have for his lowest so far right? What do you think? Well, it ain't singing, is it? It is spoken. Is the pitch at G#2? Sorry, I just can't tell. Not sung, but spoken. Only for a mini-second. Should we take his word for it? Hell, I don't know shit from shinola about notes. Guess we'll have to see if they think it counts. LOL Personally I think he can sing lower than we have heard without getting into fry territory but of course it is not going to be as clear and resonant as the rest of his range. They counted lows from other singers that were less clear than that and some of them actually seem to want to count spoken notes as well, especially on the low end. I don't think we'ver heard the top end of Adam's range either and some of his friends have commented to that effect. I don't know what notes are involved but one of his theater buddies said he wanted to hear Adam do "Defying Gravity" up an octave and said that Adam could do it too. Does that tell you anything new of his potential upper range? |
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Post by lambo on Mar 15, 2012 17:32:27 GMT -5
Well, it ain't singing, is it? It is spoken. Is the pitch at G#2? Sorry, I just can't tell. Not sung, but spoken. Only for a mini-second. Should we take his word for it? Hell, I don't know shit from shinola about notes. Guess we'll have to see if they think it counts. LOL Personally I think he can sing lower than we have heard without getting into fry territory but of course it is not going to be as clear and resonant as the rest of his range. They counted lows from other singers that were less clear than that and some of them actually seem to want to count spoken notes as well, especially on the low end. I don't think we'ver heard the top end of Adam's range either and some of his friends have commented to that effect. I don't know what notes are involved but one of his theater buddies said he wanted to hear Adam do "Defying Gravity" up an octave and said that Adam could do it too. Does that tell you anything new of his potential upper range? "Defying Gravity" an octave higher?! The top note in that song is usually an F# above high C (a.k.a. the big note in GNL Sure Fire Winners). So that's F# above soprano C!  I believe Rob Cavallo once said that Adam could sing every note on the guitar, and guitars usually go up to the D or E above soprano C. Incredible if it's true! |
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Post by Craazyforadam on Mar 25, 2012 20:37:17 GMT -5
I have a question for those, who pay close attention to range and which techniques Adam uses to produce certain notes.
We know the voice changes over time. While the most drastic voice change happens during puberty, this is not the last change the voice is going through. Cassie and others have also mentioned that a tenor tends to have his peak period during his thirties and even later and not during the twenties.
I have somehow gotten the impression that Adam's voice has been changing a bit recently and I was wondering whether others have the same sense or whether that is only me and I am confused.
Here is my impression: I think Adam has gained a few notes on the lower end of his range. He can sing the D3 and C3 now with much more volume and as Nationalglampoon has pointed out he has now been heard with B2 on quite a few occasions and it does never sounded like that is the bottom of his range either.
On the other hand, I do think that on the upper end he has had to adjust a bit, let's say compared to how he sang during idol.
As much room as Adam has to spare in his upper range this does not hurt him at all, he still outsings the best of them. But there are now a few notes where I think he has to adjust a bit in technique to hit those notes in the way he wants them to sound. It's not so much his high belting notes in E5 to G5 range, but rather his lighter more lyrical head voice when he sings Ds or Es, where I sense it the most.
I think that some of the experimentation that Adam has done recently when he sang BTIKM in different keys for a while had to do with that. It's a rangy song and it uses different techniques within the song and so perhaps he was also trying a few things out.
Is it just me hearing and analyzing something into things that aren't there or are others hearing that as well?
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In other news...this funky or rhythmic singing that at the same time is richly melodic (especially in Trespassing, but also in Cuckoo) totally blows my mind ....how does he do that? Needless to say, I don't think there will be many out there making any attempts to cover those songs any time soon. FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
I am going totally crazy listening to this. Mindblowing, incredible, somehow beyond humanly possible, that is what his singing is like to me right now...anyhow, back to listening to Trespassing one more time. I don't even hear anymore that it is only a snippet, that is how many times I have now heard this version. Gotten used to it this way, just like I have gotten used to those 8 or however many measures of "Under Pressure" right before WWRY - it seems meanwhile that they just belong there somehow - lol.
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Post by cassie on Mar 25, 2012 23:26:26 GMT -5
I have a question for those, who pay close attention to range and which techniques Adam uses to produce certain notes. We know the voice changes over time. While the most drastic voice change happens during puberty, this is not the last change the voice is going through. Cassie and others have also mentioned that a tenor tends to have his peak period during his thirties and even later and not during the twenties. I have somehow gotten the impression that Adam's voice has been changing a bit recently and I was wondering whether others have the same sense or whether that is only me and I am confused. Here is my impression: I think Adam has gained a few notes on the lower end of his range. He can sing the D3 and C3 now with much more volume and as Nationalglampoon has pointed out he has now been heard with B2 on quite a few occasions and it does never sounded like that is the bottom of his range either. On the other hand, I do think that on the upper end he has had to adjust a bit, let's say compared to how he sang during idol. As much room as Adam has to spare in his upper range this does not hurt him at all, he still outsings the best of them. But there are now a few notes where I think he has to adjust a bit in technique to hit those notes in the way he wants them to sound. It's not so much his high belting notes in E5 to G5 range, but rather his lighter more lyrical head voice when he sings Ds or Es, where I sense it the most. I think that some of the experimentation that Adam has done recently when he sang BTIKM in different keys for a while had to do with that. It's a rangy song and it uses different techniques within the song and so perhaps he was also trying a few things out. Is it just me hearing and analyzing something into things that aren't there or are others hearing that as well? ================== In other news...this funky or rhythmic singing that at the same time is richly melodic (especially in Trespassing, but also in Cuckoo) totally blows my mind ....how does he do that? Needless to say, I don't think there will be many out there making any attempts to cover those songs any time soon. FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE!!!! I am going totally crazy listening to this. Mindblowing, incredible, somehow beyond humanly possible, that is what his singing is like to me right now...anyhow, back to listening to Trespassing one more time. I don't even hear anymore that it is only a snippet, that is how many times I have now heard this version. Gotten used to it this way, just like I have gotten used to those 8 or however many measures of "Under Pressure" right before WWRY - it seems meanwhile that they just belong there somehow - lol. I agree with you that his lower range has gotten richer --- or he has learned to make it sound richer. Whether it has actually been extended downward I am not sure. I also hear what you hear about his different techniques with his upper notes. While he can still belt out those notes, he has been floating his light head voice on many of the promo performances. I think there may be two reasons for that. First and foremost, many of these promos are early in the day--- or at least early for Adam (performers are usually night people, and do not ramp up their energy and full voice until evening). Some of these performances are at ungodly hours in the EARLY AM. Damn! I am not a performer, don't have my internal clock set for evening hours, but, I always hated trying to sing in the morning. I still had mucus crud on my cords and in my sinuses. Makes it difficult to sing in a clear and resonant voice. However, it can make my lowest notes sound fuller and stretch my range downward a few steps. I have noticed I can almost tell what time of day his radio performances are by the key he chooses and the approach to his upper notes. EARLY morning he pitches the key down a step or two. His lowest notes sound so warm and full. He floats his head voice lightly for the top notes. A bit later in the day he still keeps the lower key, but powers the top notes. Even later, and he raises the key but floats the high notes. By evening, he is using the higher key and belting the high notes. It is almost amusing to hear the differences. But I am glad he takes care with his voice, and doesn't push it when it is not ready. As to that hard hitting, funky sound he incorporates in TP, isn't it marvelous? Yup, that's technique too. He hits the consonants hard and backs off them very quickly. He does the same with certain notes. It shows a lot of control and finesse. Very hard to do. ETA: Duh. I said I thought there were two reasons we are hearing Adam's light, floating head voice in the promo songs. This is just a personal suspicion, but, when there was all the talk about Adam's falsetto and he clarified on twitter that he almost NEVER sings in falsetto, there were several replies about how he didn't NEED to sing falsetto when he can float his head voice so exquisitely. I think he may have seen the comments, been pleased to have it recognized, and wanted to showcase it more. He seems to be embracing the recognition about his voice this time around, and enjoying that recognition. |
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Post by Craazyforadam on Mar 26, 2012 10:38:47 GMT -5
Thanks Cassie  So many things coming into play all at once. |
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Post by justkaren on Mar 26, 2012 15:18:54 GMT -5
Cassie, I so enjoyed meeting you in Atlanta this weekend (sorry about the bear tho', but he is settling in here quite nicely  ) ... I find the discussion of voice technique to be very fascinating. I was really disturbed about the Angelina comments in the other thread, but by the time I read them the discussion had moved on ... so I'm glad you were there to defend her. The Skype with her in Atlanta was absolutely delicious!  I haven't been following the DDD thread lately, it seems to have devolved into personalities rather than technical discussions ... but I did check it out this morning to see if they had any comments about the radio promos, and I was surprised to read that they are saying My Conviction and Loaded Smile are both sung in falsetto ... maybe you should visit there again ... ? >:(
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Post by cassie on Mar 26, 2012 17:53:26 GMT -5
Cassie, I so enjoyed meeting you in Atlanta this weekend (sorry about the bear tho', but he is settling in here quite nicely ) ... I find the discussion of voice technique to be very fascinating. I was really disturbed about the Angelina comments in the other thread, but by the time I read them the discussion had moved on ... so I'm glad you were there to defend her. The Skype with her in Atlanta was absolutely delicious! I haven't been following the DDD thread lately, it seems to have devolved into personalities rather than technical discussions ... but I did check it out this morning to see if they had any comments about the radio promos, and I was surprised to read that they are saying My Conviction and Loaded Smile are both sung in falsetto ... maybe you should visit there again ... ? >:( Was great to meet you also. Loved the name tags you made for everyone. As for DDD, I have kinda written them off, partly for things that you mentioned. I never posted much, but, when they were selecting and ranking Adam's best live performances I pushed for both CTMBTM and My Conviction, and got lots of flak for it. Someone flippantly said that CTMBTM was nothing special --- they could sing it easily. Yeah, right. Don't remember what the complaint was about My Conviction, but it was panned. Just recently, I dropped in to DDD and several were saying that both the songs were ranked much too low on the list. hahahaha. I guess it depends on who it is making the statement, and I don't have credibility there. As for Loaded Smile, Adam himself confirmed he used falsetto in that song -- one of the few times he did use it. I can hear that the high notes are a bit breathy and lack the ring of his pure head voice. My Conviction, on the other hand ---- AIN'T NO WAY that is falsetto, and Angelina agrees with me. That's his incredible, ringing, resonant head voice. I hear the difference, and when it comes to voice technique, I trust what a trained classical singer and respected vocal master voice coach says more than some dudes who love rock vocals. But, when I have brought up such thing before I was told that they didn't care what some opera singer said, this was not the forum for opera. So, I guess they will have to debate on without me or Angelina. We obviously know nothing. |
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Post by justkaren on Mar 26, 2012 22:19:44 GMT -5
I agree with you, Cassie. They lost total cred with me when they posted the videos of JRB singing, and everyone raved ... he can hit the notes, but he had no interpretive skills at all, was just reading the notes with no expression. He is clearly just a student who still has much to learn. But then they seem to think that hitting the note is the most important thing ... : I didn't remember that Loaded Smile was the one he said he used falsetto, I'll have to go back and listen to it again, it's been a long time. |
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Post by lambo on Mar 28, 2012 9:14:54 GMT -5
The definition of head voice VS falsetto is different depending on who you ask. Some consider head voice the highest and lightest tone of the full voice register, others might argue it's falsetto sung with power and clarity, or a completely seperate register to full voice and falsetto. It's hard to be objective on the debate when there's no clear answer, but the mystery of the voice is something that makes it so fun to talk about! At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what A Loaded Smile and My Conviction are sung in, they both sound fantastic either way |
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Post by Alison on Mar 30, 2012 7:32:25 GMT -5
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) ... I find the discussion of voice technique to be very fascinating. I was really disturbed about the Angelina comments in the other thread, but by the time I read them the discussion had moved on ... so I'm glad you were there to defend her. The Skype with her in Atlanta was absolutely delicious! 
