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Post by DancyGeorgia on Feb 10, 2015 0:21:47 GMT -5
Did I miss a big announcement??? Last I heard, only the title of the album, TOH, had been announced and not the single. Yup. Yup I missed the name of the single announcement??? I known it is coming in April, but has a name been announced?
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Post by Daenerys on Feb 10, 2015 0:24:40 GMT -5
what barriers do you think Adam has experienced? I'm genuinely curious because he got pretty good radio play in era 1 but hardly any in era 2. Was the lack of radio play in era 2 because of PDs not wanting to play him because he's gay or because RCA picked crap singles? Did radio regress from 2009 to 2012? I honestly don't think Adam has had much resistance from the industry due to his sexuality. Radio will play his music if he releases songs they want to play. Sam Smith didn't create that attitude nor did he break down some imaginary barrier that Adam didn't have with his first album. Sam fits the safer more acceptable image of a gay man. He's not overtly sexual, heck he's not sexual at all, so it's easier to "accept" him because he's non-threatening. Adam on the other hand is aggressively sexual. You watch him perform and you know he likes to f&ck. Sam performs and you wonder if he even knows what that means LOL. I think what will help Adam in April is his label supporting him. Sam's success won't make a bit of difference is his label jacks up the roll out for his next album and that includes picking the right singles for radio. JMO YMMV I don't have the time to respond to your question now, but I promise I will respond in the near future. It is an interesting question and is a bigger question than just what Adam went through. Some of the efforts made by mainstream straight artists made to breakdown these barriers in the 1980's and 1990's were not successful but deserve to be recalled. A couple fast items: 1. RCA really supported Adam in 2009-2010. Things did not go south at RCA until 2011 when a new management team took over SME and RCA. WWFM got huge airplay from Z100 and the KISS hub stations -- that did not just happen. And WWFM was a top 10 hit.
2. To get US airplay an artist needs three things: Major label support, the right music for the moment AND a bit of luck. Many very successful, critically acclaimed singer never have a big radio hit -- and a number 1 song is rare. I think the timing is right for Adam. I think he has the right team. I am hopeful he has the music. I know he has the talent. I wanted to highlight these because I agree 100%.
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Post by 3ku1 on Feb 10, 2015 0:26:58 GMT -5
FYI Fever was release as a single over here, and it went platinum. Sure Fire Winners was a single too. But I think SS success proves, EDM is on its way out. Alt Music is hot right now. People are craving for more variety, and more grounded music. The guy with the guitar is in too. SO I don't think this is a gay thing, I think this is a music thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 0:27:07 GMT -5
Yup I missed the name of the single announcement??? I known it is coming in April, but has a name been announced? Sorry, bb..no single has been announced. Only the album title. Didn't mean to be so cryptic. ETA: Edited my original 'yup' post.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 0:42:45 GMT -5
Yup I missed the name of the single announcement??? I known it is coming in April, but has a name been announced? Remember the dual image mirror picture? The caption was listening to my single. No title but i think you could infer that it is selected. http://instagram.com/p/yQpW7-ONAj
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Post by Daenerys on Feb 10, 2015 0:46:01 GMT -5
Are Sam Smith and Adam the only two gay artists in the business right now? Adam has fought so hard to be known first as an artist. He is also a gay man and has varied colored hairstyles and likes to buy clothes. And here we are comparing 'gay' to 'gay'. I don't get it. Adam and Sam are polar opposites. Adam's career will take its course based on timing and the right singles IMO. We know Adam has the talent. Many mainstream listeners do not. The biz is a crap shoot. I think Adam is positioned very strongly through his tireless work ethic and some grand opportunities. May TOH be the music to catapult Adam to a wider audience. Adam wants this and I sure as hell want it for him too. Adam is the alpha and the omega of his own equation and creation. What SS has to do with Adam's career, I have no clue. Talk about degrees of separation. I think the conversation is about glitter's question of whether Adam has faced more or different hurdles as a gay man than Sam in their pursuit of pop stardom. And wasn't it just last year or the year before when the "orange" guy won something too? I think the fact that their "observable performer personality" is so different still puts a higher homophobic hurdle for Adam to jump despite Sam's current success. And I think that Adam's six years of "fighting the man" have paid off this year in at least glittering some bricks for Sam to walk on.And to go back to the conversation of a couple of weeks ago, I think that Adam is more comfortable in his own skin these days than he was during his Grammy nomination year and that translates well if he was to come up for a nomination again. Of course then the other question is what does this have to do with Adam's new album? I agree he's laid the groundwork, QAL, GLEE, Trespassing radio shows, Idol Judge. It's all primed. And the question I would like to discuss, maybe for tomorrows thread if it's getting to late tonight is how this TOH single was picked in comparison to how the Trespassing single was picked. The TOH one is announced, no hesitations, this is the one. BTIKM etc were shopped. We had the England guy saying they didn't pick the one they wanted and the American PD saying that the others didn't "test" well. We are looking at album release over a year since the writing camp, is that because he is so forward again and they are trying to let current taste catch up? I guess we will know soonish in Mapril. The only "fighting the man" that exist is the imaginary one fans have created themselves. It's exhausting to keep reading how Adam has so much barriers and resistance. The Adam is a victim is something that his own fans keep perpetuating. I feel this comes from fans who through some of their own admission only follow and stan Adam. I wish some fans can take a week or two and go to some of the music sites were other fans hangout. If you swap their favorites name for Adam you would swear you was reading an Adam Lambert fansite. They bitch, gripe and moan about the same things. It may not be about their sexuality but the blame on everything from label, promo, management, image on why their favs aren't huge successes. When Adam came of Idol he had more buzz and exposure than any Idol before him. He had the whole country ready and waiting for him. Everyone knew at that point he was gay. His debut album opened with 198K. Huge numbers for an openly gay back in 2009. People were ready for him. You can say that Adam is being who he is and true to himself which is an open, flamboyant in your face, I am who I am gay but the reality is he's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. People have to accept who he is. Those who are on board become fans those that don't because of whatever reasons can go buy the other safe gay's album. Adam had a moderately successful 1st era. His 2nd era was not a success due to poor decisions of the people around him including Adam himself. None of it has to do with his sexuality but how he chooses to display it. For some they are OK with it and for others they don't care for it. For me Adam's biggest problem was not his sexuality but his image. That was his choosing. The same with Gaga. It wasn't her talent that turned people off but her image. Since he's toned it down people are now seeing past the makeup and seeing Adam. ETA: I think it says a lot that for someone like Adam who hasn't had a hit in 5yrs that he still has the attention of the media. If anyone else was fronting Queen I don't think the media would care less. I would say he's been pretty lucky.
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Post by 3ku1 on Feb 10, 2015 1:08:57 GMT -5
I think the conversation is about glitter's question of whether Adam has faced more or different hurdles as a gay man than Sam in their pursuit of pop stardom. And wasn't it just last year or the year before when the "orange" guy won something too? I think the fact that their "observable performer personality" is so different still puts a higher homophobic hurdle for Adam to jump despite Sam's current success. And I think that Adam's six years of "fighting the man" have paid off this year in at least glittering some bricks for Sam to walk on.And to go back to the conversation of a couple of weeks ago, I think that Adam is more comfortable in his own skin these days than he was during his Grammy nomination year and that translates well if he was to come up for a nomination again. Of course then the other question is what does this have to do with Adam's new album? I agree he's laid the groundwork, QAL, GLEE, Trespassing radio shows, Idol Judge. It's all primed. And the question I would like to discuss, maybe for tomorrows thread if it's getting to late tonight is how this TOH single was picked in comparison to how the Trespassing single was picked. The TOH one is announced, no hesitations, this is the one. BTIKM etc were shopped. We had the England guy saying they didn't pick the one they wanted and the American PD saying that the others didn't "test" well. We are looking at album release over a year since the writing camp, is that because he is so forward again and they are trying to let current taste catch up? I guess we will know soonish in Mapril. The only "fighting the man" that exist is the imaginary one fans have created themselves. It's exhausting to keep reading how Adam has so much barriers and resistance. The Adam is a victim is something that his own fans keep perpetuating. I feel this comes from fans who through some of their own admission only follow and stan Adam. I wish some fans can take a week or two and go to some of the music sites were other fans hangout. If you swap their favorites name for Adam you would swear you was reading an Adam Lambert fansite. They bitch, gripe and moan about the same things. It may not be about their sexuality but the blame on everything from label, promo, management, image on why their favs aren't huge successes. When Adam came of Idol he had more buzz and exposure than any Idol before him. He had the world country ready and waiting for him. Everyone knew at that point he was gay. His debut album opened with 198K. Huge numbers for an openly gay back in 2009. People were ready for him. You can say that Adam is being who he is and true to himself which is an open, flamboyant in your face, I am who I am gay but the reality is he's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. People have to accept who he is. Those who are on board become fans those that don't because of whatever reasons can go buy the other safe gay's album. Adam had a moderately successful 1st era. His 2nd era was not a success due to poor decisions of the people around him including Adam himself. None of it has to do with his sexuality but how he chooses to display it. For some they are OK with it and for others they don't care for it. For me Adam's biggest problem was not his sexuality but his image. That was his choosing. The same with Gaga. It wasn't her talent that turned people off but her image. Since he's toned it down people are now seeing past the makeup and seeing Adam. Completely agreed. A very image conscious world. Particularly US entertainment industry. A lot of ppl were put off by the whole glam thing. That's just a reality he threatens PPl. He's like a hurricane, some can only deal with him in drizzles. Since Adam toned his look down a lot more ppl are seeing him for what he is.
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Post by happy on Feb 10, 2015 1:24:10 GMT -5
Where's Mys*&@^#r? She disappeared yesterday evening and I haven't seen her today. She is showing up as a deleted member, so I'm feeling sad about that.
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Post by bridgeymah on Feb 10, 2015 1:35:52 GMT -5
Where's Mys*&@^#r? She disappeared yesterday evening and I haven't seen her today. She is showing up as a deleted member, so I'm feeling sad about that. What happened? If that is the case then I am also very sad about it.
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Post by stardust on Feb 10, 2015 2:13:15 GMT -5
Where's Mys*&@^#r? She disappeared yesterday evening and I haven't seen her today. She is showing up as a deleted member, so I'm feeling sad about that. We don't know why she deleted her account and perhaps she needed a break? She is on twitter, I think.
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