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Post by satisfied on Mar 1, 2015 7:22:44 GMT -5
Apart from AFL's incredible, planet fierce voice, I find it fascinating to watch him move. His body is his second voice.
It's not only the big movements like dancing, thrusting, jumping. It's a nod of the head, a small wiggle of the hip, the tapping of a foot, the placement of the hands. He adds punctuation throughout each song, at exactly the right place and makes it all connect. He does this when Brian's playing solo as well, a place card until he starts singing with voice again. I'm usually so captivated by the voice that sometimes I'll mute a song just to watch everything I've missed. ILHSFM.
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Post by Holst on Mar 1, 2015 8:28:11 GMT -5
You are correct. He went flat (too low) almost immediately. So then when the instruments entered at :42 he was noticeably off key. But he fixed it in a split second. Whenever he sings out of tune, it seems to be flat. Good ear, Bridgeymah. Thanks Hoist - is probably the only time someone will ever tell me my "tin ear" is good :-) but after obsessively listening to SM almost daily was not hard to hear it was off. There you go. Repetition is a key to ear training. You've been listening to good (amazing) singing so long now that your ear is learning. Also, don't equate a "tin ear" with poor singing skills (if that is what you are thinking). I went to music school with a guy who is an amazing keyboard player with perfect pitch. But he say off key and sounded like Kermit. His advisor told him to take voice lessons. :D |
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Post by Holst on Mar 1, 2015 8:33:21 GMT -5
Apart from AFL's incredible, planet fierce voice, I find it fascinating to watch him move. His body is his second voice. It's not only the big movements like dancing, thrusting, jumping. It's a nod of the head, a small wiggle of the hip, the tapping of a foot, the placement of the hands. He adds punctuation throughout each song, at exactly the right place and makes it all connect. He does this when Brian's playing solo as well, a place card until he starts singing with voice again. I'm usually so captivated by the voice that sometimes I'll mute a song just to watch everything I've missed. ILHSFM. So true. I really tuned into that during the AI tour when I first really started connecting with him on the internet--watching too many videos. |
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Post by nica575 on Mar 1, 2015 9:24:40 GMT -5
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Post by cassie on Mar 1, 2015 9:27:40 GMT -5
Ok Cassie or someone else who has better ears than me I think Adam was slightly off key in a couple of places in the beginning of this. Not so much that anyone who hasn't heard him sing this dozens of times would notice but ... was so uncharacteristic I literally winced a bit when I was listening. Yep #spoilt First on "myself" at .32 then again on "years at .42 ... See what you think? You are correct. He went flat (too low) almost immediately. So then when the instruments entered at :42 he was noticeably off key. But he fixed it in a split second. Whenever he sings out of tune, it seems to be flat. Good ear, Bridgeymah. I noticed it immediately upon hearing it. My throat automatically and unconsciously tightened up, trying to bring up the flat pitch. I think that is the first time I have heard Adam go so off pitch when singing a cappella, and I at first thought my ear must be off. Then, the instruments came in and confirmed what I was hearing. And yes, Holst, he heard it too, and immediately corrected. Further proof that he IS human, I guess. |
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Post by cassie on Mar 1, 2015 9:32:09 GMT -5
Thanks Hoist - is probably the only time someone will ever tell me my "tin ear" is good :-) but after obsessively listening to SM almost daily was not hard to hear it was off. There you go. Repetition is a key to ear training. You've been listening to good (amazing) singing so long now that your ear is learning. Also, don't equate a "tin ear" with poor singing skills (if that is what you are thinking). I went to music school with a guy who is an amazing keyboard player with perfect pitch. But he say off key and sounded like Kermit. His advisor told him to take voice lessons. :D True, Holst. My sister is also an amazing keyboard player with perfect pitch, yet her pitch is often off while singing. Interestingly, she hears that it is off when she listens to a recording, but while performing, there is something about the anatomy of her ear that must alter the pitch slightly when she is moving her jaw while singing. I think that changes the shape of the ear canal and alters slightly the pitch she hears in her inner ear. At least, that is the best explanation I have heard for it. |
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Post by nica575 on Mar 1, 2015 11:12:25 GMT -5
There you go. Repetition is a key to ear training. You've been listening to good (amazing) singing so long now that your ear is learning. Also, don't equate a "tin ear" with poor singing skills (if that is what you are thinking). I went to music school with a guy who is an amazing keyboard player with perfect pitch. But he say off key and sounded like Kermit. His advisor told him to take voice lessons. :D True, Holst. My sister is also an amazing keyboard player with perfect pitch, yet her pitch is often off while singing. Interestingly, she hears that it is off when she listens to a recording, but while performing, there is something about the anatomy of her ear that must alter the pitch slightly when she is moving her jaw while singing. I think that changes the shape of the ear canal and alters slightly the pitch she hears in her inner ear. At least, that is the best explanation I have heard for it. I have this weird condition where I HEAR myself sing off key but there is nothing I can do to correct it. As if there is some link broken between my ears and my vocal chords... as a result I never sing, just too painful for my own ears... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 11:18:01 GMT -5
I'm so happy that the beginning of that Save Me just sounds "different' to me and not "off!"  |
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Post by Holst on Mar 1, 2015 11:24:34 GMT -5
True, Holst. My sister is also an amazing keyboard player with perfect pitch, yet her pitch is often off while singing. Interestingly, she hears that it is off when she listens to a recording, but while performing, there is something about the anatomy of her ear that must alter the pitch slightly when she is moving her jaw while singing. I think that changes the shape of the ear canal and alters slightly the pitch she hears in her inner ear. At least, that is the best explanation I have heard for it. I have this weird condition where I HEAR myself sing off key but there is nothing I can do to correct it. As if there is some link broken between my ears and my vocal chords... as a result I never sing, just too painful for my own ears... Very interesting. Have you ever had voice lessons to work on this? Not that you need to. I'm just curious and wondering if a skilled voice teacher could help with that. I've known of some young students I've had in middle school who sang out of tune but improved when they got to high school and had a voice expert for a chorus teacher instead of me (I'm a violinist). I think there are a lot of people who don't pursue singing for fun because they don't sing well naturally. I always tell kids, "all the more reason to take chorus class." A person who is not gifted in math might say "I'm not going to take algebra because I don't know how to do it." But logic tells us that the way to learn algebra is to study it. For some reason when it comes to singing, many people who don't do it well naturally think there is nothing they can do to get better at it. (Not you, Nica--I'm just pontificating as a music educator.) |
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Post by Holst on Mar 1, 2015 11:29:54 GMT -5
I'm so happy that the beginning of that Save Me just sounds "different' to me and not "off!" Not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes I wish I could turn it off and not hear it. But we all have our own areas of expertise. Dancygeorgia would probably cringe at some dancing that I think is good. I just don't know the expectations like she does since I haven't studied or learned about it. |
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