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Post by mszue on Mar 11, 2015 13:27:50 GMT -5
Is my math thinking correct? If 1,500 singles streamed equals one album than 1,500,000 streamed would equal 1,000 albums. That seems like a mighty slow slog. But previously streams and track sales were not counted at all. So this is definitely a step in right direction for judging popularity of a song. Is the music that is streamed in every store and commercial establishment counted?
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Post by Craazyforadam on Mar 11, 2015 13:36:44 GMT -5
But previously streams and track sales were not counted at all. So this is definitely a step in right direction for judging popularity of a song. Is the music that is streamed in every store and commercial establishment counted? If they are streaming via pandora, etc., I am sure it is. What I don't know, is what happens to all those corporations, who have canned music put together for them for play in their stores, or buses or planes or whatever else may use such service providers like muzak and playnetwork and others. But we cannot influence any of that anyhow, so it probably does not matter. We can influence only sales (minimally) and streaming and talk to friends, etc. The reality is, the industry has found a way to get to more objective data. And fanbases cannot influence it quite that much anymore. Like it or not, it has become fairer. Which does not mean, that I am not going to do do my part, as best possible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 13:40:08 GMT -5
But previously streams and track sales were not counted at all. So this is definitely a step in right direction for judging popularity of a song. Is the music that is streamed in every store and commercial establishment counted? Yes, if they are using one of the prgrams that BB counts. But as craazyforadam said, who knows what those places are using.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 13:40:54 GMT -5
I guess I am an anomaly or perhaps it is just that Empire is the quintessential American show, but I really do not like it at all..and I especially dislike a couple of the characters. To me, the characters are for the most part stereotypes that are less than sympathetic and with few redeeming qualities. Too bad as I expected to love it....but it certainly has had a major pr push. Do I need to find a couch now??
which characters do you find stereotypes? I'm curious because I watch this show like it's an obsession and I actually find the diversity within this show amazing. None of them come off as stereotypical or cliché and the music is off the charts fantastic which makes watching it even more captivating.
I do think it receive a fair amount of push but it has shown that the push was warranted IMO. I just went and bought the soundtrack and again, the music is sooo good. Even without the stories to back them up, the music holds its own IMO.
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Post by Q3 on Mar 11, 2015 13:43:25 GMT -5
Yes, BB 200 is using the new method. That's why I was emphasizing how important the streaming is. The other "chart" is a sales chart & comes out before BB adds in the streams and track sales. However, I do not know if Soundscan and RIAA is using just DLs & physical sales or if they are using the new method also. But I am sure Q3 knows. OK, I just goggled some criteria for Gold & Platinum certification, so it looks to me like RIAA is still only using physical sales and DLs, not the streaming or track sale formulas! Q3! HELP!! Sales reporting: RIAA has not changed their rules -- so certification is still based on wholesale shipments of both digital and physical albums. This is the record industry award so they care about what they sell to retailers (less returns) and what they sell directly. Soundscan tracks recorded music sales in all media (digital and physical) sold at reporting retailers (now about 98% of retail sales). >> In the US, track sales on physical media are uncommon now. *** The Billboard 200 (and all the Billboard charts) are designed to reflect what is popular. In the 1970s, there were two common ways to listen to music -- on the radio and buy it. Most people bought music in albums. The Billboard 200 was THE measure of album popularity because if you wanted to hear an album, you had to buy it. In 2010's, two shifts are happening at the same time and dramatically affecting album sales and making it a less important measure of popularity: 1. People are shifting from buying albums to buying digital tracks. So TES (Track Equivalent Sales) was developed to measure this. 2. People are shifting from buying music to buying music streaming services. So using actual measured streaming music listens can now be used to measure popularity. So for example in the first half of 2014, Katy Perry's Dark Horse was the #1 streamed song: 65.4 MILLION audio streams, 122.8 MILLION video stream. Plus, #2 on radio audience with 554,000 spins for a cumulative audience of 3.2 BILLION. Link to report: www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corporate/us/en/public%20factsheets/Soundscan/nielsen-music-2014-mid-year-us-release.pdf Billboard decided that they needed to adjust to account for the overall popularity for the music on a album and to account for the fact that for the majority of music listeners, "owning" music is no longer the #1 way to access music on demand.
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Post by Q3 on Mar 11, 2015 13:47:03 GMT -5
Is the music that is streamed in every store and commercial establishment counted? If they are streaming via pandora, etc., I am sure it is. What I don't know, is what happens to all those corporations, who have canned music put together for them for play in their stores, or buses or planes or whatever else may use such service providers like muzak and playnetwork and others. But we cannot influence any of that anyhow, so it probably does not matter. We can influence only sales (minimally) and streaming and talk to friends, etc. The reality is, the industry has found a way to get to more objective data. And fanbases cannot influence it quite that much anymore. Like it or not, it has become fairer. Which does not mean, that I am not going to do do my part, as best possible. The streaming numbers are so big that retail play is a drop in the bucket. You cannot legally play Pandora or other consumer streaming music services in a store. The commercial music services (and most US retailers use legal services) and licensed commercial use radio are NOT included in the Billboard charts. Billboard is only including CONSUMER STREAMING SERVICES.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 13:52:54 GMT -5
So it hasn't yet, although this week and the Kid Rock week came close, but there will be a week, in the future I assume, where the actual sales and BB Top 200 will have different #1s! That will be weird, the first time it happens! Is that right, Q3?!
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Post by houselady on Mar 11, 2015 13:59:23 GMT -5
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Post by Q3 on Mar 11, 2015 14:05:19 GMT -5
Is my math thinking correct? If 1,500 singles streamed equals one album than 1,500,000 streamed would equal 1,000 albums. That seems like a mighty slow slog. Some tracks have racked up 200,000,000 US streams in a year which is equivalent to 133,000 albums. Last year in the US, streaming media plays were up 54% to 165 BILLION streams. That is equivalent to 110 MILLION albums. And it is growing rapidly. >> An album with a lot of streaming hits, will now get credit for being important. And it is not just the US -- the UK, for example, had almost 15 billions streams last year. **** The numbers add up over time. It effects the album chart but also the singles charts. For example..... In the week ending Jan 4, 2015, "Uptown Funk!" was number 1 on the BBoard Hot 100. Here are the numbers for the week: - Sales - Digital Songs 382,000 downloads sold - Streaming Songs (#2) - 10 million U.S. streams - Radio Songs (airplay) - 76 million in all-format audience. The number 1 song this week -- 10 weeks later -- on US Streaming Songs -- Uptown Funk! So a song that maintains popularity over time, can rack up big numbers.
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Post by Q3 on Mar 11, 2015 14:16:43 GMT -5
So it hasn't yet, although this week and the Kid Rock week came close, but there will be a week, in the future I assume, where the actual sales and BB Top 200 will have different #1s! That will be weird, the first time it happens! Is that right, Q3?! The Billboard 200 (album popularity) and Top Album Sales charts will have two different #1 at some point -- I do not believe it has happened yet. But album sales have dropped so much that it will soon not be too meaningful. I thought it might happen this week with Kelly Clarkson's album and this is the kind of situation that will cause it to happen. 1. The top selling album does not include any current big hit. (Kelly lead single has soft sales and the new one was not being promoted to radio or much in other media the first week the album was on sale.) 2. A lower ranked album includes a big hit(s) that is selling at a higher rate and being streamed at a higher rate. Kelly held on to #1 because the other top albums were all 4 weeks or more since release. The only other debut came in at #9 Brandi Carlile's "The Firewatcher's Daughter". www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6495183/kelly-clarkson-third-no-1-album-on-billboard-200
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