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Post by stardust on Feb 10, 2014 2:01:13 GMT -5
Thanks, cassie!!! Always glad to hear your musings!! Thanks for the videos!!!!
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Post by bridgeymah on Feb 25, 2014 6:10:59 GMT -5
Just driving by to make a quick comment about " I believe in a thing called love" - call it exhibit #354 in Adam sings in 3D.
I can totally hear it when you compare his voice to Chris. Now Chris has a perfectly nice voice, but when you put it next to Adams it feels flat, two dimensional. It's on key, tick. It's got feeling, tick. But then there is that Adam dimension missing. Call it resonance, fullness, clarity but best word for me is still dimension. Adams voice just has another dimension that is uniquely his. Never heard it before, like his own personal A factor. It's the reason that you can pick his voice in a crowd and probably really tough to mix duets with him for same reason. That voice just has a different sound.
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Post by cassie on Feb 25, 2014 8:40:41 GMT -5
Just driving by to make a quick comment about " I believe in a thing called love" - call it exhibit #354 in Adam sings in 3D. I can totally hear it when you compare his voice to Chris. Now Chris has a perfectly nice voice, but when you put it next to Adams it feels flat, two dimensional. It's on key, tick. It's got feeling, tick. But then there is that Adam dimension missing. Call it resonance, fullness, clarity but best word for me is still dimension. Adams voice just has another dimension that is uniquely his. Never heard it before, like his own personal A factor. It's the reason that you can pick his voice in a crowd and probably really tough to mix duets with him for same reason. That voice just has a different sound. Smileys don't seem to be working today, but .... YEAH! THAT. What she said.
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Post by bridgeymah on Mar 2, 2014 2:38:28 GMT -5
Until Adam's lovely clear ringing voice became my default reference for singing I don't think I was aware how many people sing through their noses ...
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Post by bridgeymah on Mar 2, 2014 16:50:58 GMT -5
Cassie - time for some of your vocal dissection eloquence for Barracuda. Lea's album got savaged in a Rolling stone review for her voice being to "perfect" for pop songs and in this song you can hear exactly what they are talking about. Lea is a superb vocalist but her training always seems to overwhelm the interpretation. So my question is about Adam's chameleon quality where he can rough up and smooth out his voice, give it some metal or add cream and sugar seemingly at will. How the fuck does he do it? www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjd4kNZAe6I
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Post by cassie on Mar 3, 2014 0:44:11 GMT -5
Cassie - time for some of your vocal dissection eloquence for Barracuda. Lea's album got savaged in a Rolling stone review for her voice being to "perfect" for pop songs and in this song you can hear exactly what they are talking about. Lea is a superb vocalist but her training always seems to overwhelm the interpretation. So my question is about Adam's chameleon quality where he can rough up and smooth out his voice, give it some metal or add cream and sugar seemingly at will.. How the fuck does he do it? ". How the fuck does he do it? The simple answer is "damned if I know!" (Eloquent enough for you?) He is one of very few singers I have heard who have the ability to sing so classically and with such a rock or blues edge and everything in between. What does he do? He squeezes notes by tightening certain muscles in his throat to make it rougher or more raspy. He changes the resonance in his body to emphasize either the higher harmonics (for a more metal, piercing tone) or the lower harmonics (for that darker, almost baritone sound) or both for that powerful, full voice. He adds air to make the tone sound breathy, or focuses the tone fully in his frontal mask for that pure bell-like ring. He controls the vibrato in his voice, he can sing a totally straight tone with no vibrato he can start with a straight tone and add vibrato at the end of a note for phrase, he can sing with a very light vibrato throughout, he can sing with a heavier or more pronounced vibrato, he can control the speed and width of the oscillation. He bends notes rather than hitting them straight on the pitch from beginning to end, to give a bluesy sound. He stretches out notes and phrases just that little bit rather than hitting everything straight on the beat, which can make it sound more bluesy or more emotional. And then there all the things he does with interpretation. I hear some of what he is doing. But, vocally, I cannot do some of it myself or know how to execute it technically. Other things he does I cannot even pinpoint or describe, but I can hear the DIFFERENCE between his voice and other accomplished singers. Isn't he amazing?
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Post by bridgeymah on Mar 3, 2014 0:52:29 GMT -5
Cassie - time for some of your vocal dissection eloquence for Barracuda. Lea's album got savaged in a Rolling stone review for her voice being to "perfect" for pop songs and in this song you can hear exactly what they are talking about. Lea is a superb vocalist but her training always seems to overwhelm the interpretation. So my question is about Adam's chameleon quality where he can rough up and smooth out his voice, give it some metal or add cream and sugar seemingly at will.. How the fuck does he do it? ". How the fuck does he do it? The simple answer is "damned if I know!" (Eloquent enough for you?) He is one of very few singers I have heard who have the ability to sing so classically and with such a rock or blues edge and everything in between. What does he do? He squeezes notes by tightening certain muscles in his throat to make it rougher or more raspy. He changes the resonance in his body to emphasize either the higher harmonics (for a more metal, piercing tone) or the lower harmonics (for that darker, almost baritone sound) or both for that powerful, full voice. He adds air to make the tone sound breathy, or focuses the tone fully in his frontal mask for that pure bell-like ring. He bends notes rather than hitting them straight on the pitch from beginning to end, to give a bluesy sound. He stretches out notes and phrases just that little bit rather than hitting everything straight on the beat, which can make it sound more bluesy or more emotional. And then there all the things he does with interpretation. I hear some of what he is doing. But, vocally, I cannot do some of it myself or know how to execute it technically. Other things he does I cannot even pinpoint or describe, but I can hear the DIFFERENCE between his voice and other accomplished singers. Isn't he amazing?LOL - love your eloquence. Actually on listens of other songs the one where it is even more pronounced is in The Happening - because the melody and lyrics are so simple you can really hear him playing with and around the phrasing and pacing during his part while the others stay more "in" the melody (hope that makes sense). So his part just leaps out at you. Back to our 3D again. It's a real which one of these is not like the others thing. And Yes he is amazing.
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Post by maya on Mar 3, 2014 21:29:22 GMT -5
Cassie/or any voice experts in this forum... this question was posted in today's daily news thread just in case you miss it... can you please address this issue? I also want to know... adamtopia.com/thread/2187/glee-songs-sale-itunes-countdown?page=8"Malcolm @malc2392 2h @adamlambert Get the fuck out,man.Which guy sings a high E flat on an 'oo' vowel full-voiced like that (Barracuda) GET THE FUCK OUT YO. Bye." Dear Musical folks - I have no ear for notes, where is this in the song???? Edit - thanks Bridgy, I don't feel so alone now :-) Here's the song.. ETA: Cassie... I did read your response on the same page posted above. Thank you so much for the voice lesson
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Post by cassie on Mar 3, 2014 22:51:29 GMT -5
Cassie/or any voice experts in this forum... this question was posted in today's daily news thread just in case you miss it... can you please address this issue? I also want to know... adamtopia.com/thread/2187/glee-songs-sale-itunes-countdown?page=8"Malcolm @malc2392 2h @adamlambert Get the fuck out,man.Which guy sings a high E flat on an 'oo' vowel full-voiced like that (Barracuda) GET THE FUCK OUT YO. Bye." Dear Musical folks - I have no ear for notes, where is this in the song???? Edit - thanks Bridgy, I don't feel so alone now :-) Here's the song.. ETA: Cassie... I did read your response on the same page posted above. Thank you so much for the voice lesson Thank you for pointing out the post. I have been in airports and on airplanes all day. For those reading, my answer is here: adamtopia.com/post/479085/thread
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Post by cassie on Mar 10, 2014 10:07:27 GMT -5
Hi cassie! I have to write you - otherwise I will explode with anger.... My elder brother is a musician (guitarist) for over 30 years now and he is a very intelligent person (normally!). But if it comes to Adam's voice he always drives me nuts. He thinks Adam is a good singer, but not at all suited for Queen. Okay, I can deal with that. But he says that Adam has no control over his vibrato, better said, he says that Adam has NO vibrato. He said that a good vibrato has to sound like that from (for example) Dennis De Young, whom I dearly love as a singer by the way. And my brother also said that Adams vibrato sounds like a bleaking goat. There are so many people saying that about Adam's vibrato? Why don't I hear that? And what exactly do they mean? Thanks for your answer . I feel you. I have just about convinced my younger sister to attend the Chicago concert with me. I sent her the official promo video. Her comment, "I still don't care for Adam." WTF? The nearest I come to understanding is that she likes the bluesy/folksy guy with guitar sound. Adam is too theatrical, too big, too showy. But, to answer your question, Adam DOES have vibrato, even if your musician brother says he doesn't. He also has good control over it, singing in a straight tone, a light vibrato, or a more pronounced vibrato. An example of Adam controlling his vibrato is in Feeling Good. On the glory note, he starts with a pure, straight tone for about 3 seconds, then gradually adds in the vibrato (a pronounced, semi-broad one). Then, on the last note, he also starts with a straight tone, before adding vibrato at the end, this time less pronounced and faster (but still not bleating, IMO). In Soaked, Adam uses quite a bit of vibrato, which is is narrow and fast, but, I don't think it is too fast either. Of course, in Come to Me, Bend to Me, he uses vibrato throughout, as is appropriate in musical theater. It is wider and more pronounced than in Soaked. Different people have their own preferences, but I think the amount of vibrato, the width and the speed is perfect. In Red House, Adam uses a very different style. He sings in ALMOST a straight tone for much of it, but colors the sustained notes with a very subtle, light, quick vibrato which you may not hear as vibrato at all, but just a warming of the tone. In this performance of Stay, he also sings with an almost straight tone that is noticeable on the long notes of the word "stay". But, on much of the songon the sustained notes, he is adding warmth with a slight, quick vibrato. Why does it sound so different from Red House? He is bending the notes very differently, and using different resonances to add bite to Red House and smoothness for Stay. Sometimes, when Adam is singing Queen songs, he DOES use a pronounced, very fast vibrato. I noticed it immediately at the EMA performance. I wondered why, but, then thought that Freddie often had this very fast, almost bleating vibrato, and I think Adam was trying to recreate the style. (Not pure imitation, but reference to Freddie's voice). This YT is pretty informative in talking about vibrato (and he does some good demonstrations, altho when he is demonstrating non-vibrato, a little sometimes sneaks in on the long notes despite his attempt at a straight tone). If you start where I cued it up, he demonstrates an excessive, wobby vibrato and a vibrato that is too fast, which some refer to as a goat vibrato. I've given up on my sister ever liking Adam's voice, tho' she, like your brother, admits he is a good singer. Just not a style that touches her. So be it. You may have to grit your teeth and accept the same with musician brother. But, as for his argument that Adam does not use vibrato, or uses a bleating sound, I would vehemently disagree. Hope this helps you calm down.
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