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Post by cassie on May 27, 2014 12:28:39 GMT -5
As for "Scotch and Soda," what would Adam do with it? Probably sing it an octave higher! It is not at all in the sweet spot of his range. So, at least, half an octave higher. I can imagine him singing it with a much stronger jazz flavor, maybe with some scat singing? And of course, he would joke around with "baby do I feel high"!
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Post by Craazyforadam on May 27, 2014 13:35:42 GMT -5
I think you have a great point, it's not what you have been taught, but what you are able to pick up. When Adam told Casey, can you sing the end one octave higher, then Casey could not do it.
There is also that element of understanding what hints you are being given. Clearly, somebody taught Adam that he could use phrasing as a stylistic element. But to then understand, that during WWTLF at around 2:00 this is the place to use that skill, that is another step. Adam is a brilliant story-teller and he uses the technical arsenal that he has built up, to the fullest, to do that telling.
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Back in earlier discussion, NatGlamp, I am not sure, I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that 3 octaves is not a hard cut-off? Then yes, I surely agree, it just becomes a question of diminishing returns as you increase even further. It is not necessary to have more than 2.5-3 octaves to be a great singer, imo.
If that is not what you meant, then sorry, will need a bit more help to understand your point. Slow woman at work. sorry
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Post by red panda on May 27, 2014 14:08:35 GMT -5
Thank you so much, Craazyforadam and Cassie!
Your answers were pretty damn wonderful, and informative. Loved the analogies, they truly help me to understand more clearly what you are saying.
It's sort of like (to continue with the analogies) seeing the ocean, and just feeling it's beauty, it's scariness, its vastness. And then going scuba diving and realizing there is a whole universe beneath.
I got the feels from Adam from the first note, now I can begin to comprehend what a true steward he is for his gift, and the respect he has shown his gift. Come to think of it, that may even be what was peeking through to me from that first note. Because now that I have read your posts, I realize that part of what puts me off about some singers is their expectation that their talent is just there, that there are no dues to pay, no work to be done. And I never for one moment felt that from Adam.
Also, IMO, the confidence he gained from all his singing experiences was so richly deserved, hard won and so real, so a part of who he is, that it does not come across as swagger. Very powerful and always makes me feel as if he is saying, "Sit back. I got this." And then he delivers like gangbusters.
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge, and for enhancing my enjoyment of our boy.
Oh and about Scotch and Soda? Thanks, I could just imagine him singing it intimately and with feels. Maybe after a gazillion years when I have saved up enough pennies to have him sing at my house (and of course, you are all invited), I will request it. Going right now to find a star:
Crazyforadam, you reminded me of this Adam performance, when he starts this amazing note at ~1:36 and then at ~1:49 brings it down with such exquisite control. Mindblowing to me that he could sustain that note for so long and then modulate it down with such strength. I guess it is all that breath control and those triple lungs!
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Post by Craazyforadam on May 27, 2014 16:19:42 GMT -5
 You got it - great example. Another example is the word liiiiips in Brigadoon. Right before that, he holds the note forever, even does a diminuendo, without loosing control of the note, and then he still has so much reserve, that he can close the syllable and do the ending consonants 'ps'. When you do classical vocal training, the ending consonants are on of the things, you learn to pay attention to. But rarely, do you hear it that perfectly done. Here is the original studio cast recording: Very different kind of voice, certainly nasally and thin in the upper keys, but has a few very nicely done interpretive elements in other parts. The word lips is sung quickly (high note and 'i' sound - always a challenge), but this trained singer does close the ending consonants off. Register changes are quite noticeable here, so overall, this guy is very much a trained singer, but has not been given the Stradivari that Adam naturally has, or another way to say it, the song would have to sit lower for this singer, than it happens to sit. There is one interesting version on here, that is so close to Adam's interpretation, that I wonder whether this singer worked off of Adam's version, when he studied it. It was done in 2008, Adam's version was 2004. I know that the present youtube version was only uploaded in 2009, but there was a version out there before the present ones, and it is possible that this singer did have that as reference. Listen here: Finally, here is Adam, with the notes held extra long and showing off his level of vocal control. While I do think that Adam overdoes it a bit (age 22) in the second part, I have to say, I am so glad we have this, because it does demonstrate, what he is vocally capable of doing. |
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Post by stardust on May 27, 2014 19:28:24 GMT -5
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Post by red panda on May 28, 2014 10:28:32 GMT -5
Oh my goodness, o my goodness! You have given a name to one of the *(many) things that captured me about Adam early on. His pronunciation of the "f" sound at the end of Believe slayed me, absolutely killed me! I didn't know enough to understand that that was a hallmark of his training, I only know it thrilled me. Now I have a name for it! And justification for the respect I felt.
Especially after watching Gena on the current season, who sang in a marbley mouthed garbled way that drove me crazy and did not allow me to even understand the words! Also Ariana Grande, same thing. There is such power in words, why would a singer ever ever want to be unintelligible to their audience?
Thanks for the information, didn't think I could value this guy more, but to not only be great, but to respect your craft? Makes me respect him so much. And the fact that he values it makes me value it also. As I said, he's got this. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.
"f" sound at about ~ 1:12
And even in his Bohemian Rhapsody audition, even though Simon says "Okay," Adam finishes the sound of away. Here at about ~1:18
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Post by Craazyforadam on May 28, 2014 13:21:38 GMT -5
I have????
I have given you an expression? I don't know any expression for pronouncing an ending sound or ending syllable. Maybe 'good diction' is an expression, I suppose. Is that what you meant?
It is true though that in classical singing this is trained. Requires extra control, and goes back to the whole breath control discussion.
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Post by red panda on May 28, 2014 22:30:01 GMT -5
This is what struck me as a descriptive phrase for what I hear Adam do:
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Post by maitospf on May 28, 2014 22:50:04 GMT -5
I do so enjoy hearing and learning from everyone here and can never avoid falling down the rabbit hole once I get started listening "afresh"... thank you so much. Diction - clarity? - is so important to me...that is why as much as I really like the sound of Allison Iraheta singing, I cannot listen to her for long... she "eats" her words and leaves me so frustrated. Adam does respect his voice and keeps on working at it ... am so grateful that he does. I look forward to many more years of listening to him...and having people to share that appreciation and love is just so heartwarming  very sincerly given  |
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Post by red panda on May 29, 2014 13:44:51 GMT -5
Example of garble marble mouth singing (IMO):
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