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Post by cassie on Jul 20, 2014 23:19:25 GMT -5
RE: QAL TORONTO the STL when he holds that note for 15 sec and also holds the very high operatic note at the end.... He holds his head upright facing the ceiling.. Is this a technique to let the air flow longer???? or is just that he has practice holding these long notes. I remember back before AI, he sung the song "Crazy" at a local cafe venue and he also held his head (Mouth) so it facing the sky to the point, that it looked as though he was falling backwards. Does this posture position enble him to sustain the notes longer and louder? Didn't mean to ignore you. Sorry. I missed your post. I am slightly puzzled why Adam tilts his head back for those glory notes. NOrmally, singers are taught NOT to do that. It tends to strain the muscles and alter the sound/resonance in a bad way. It could be he does it for show, or it could be a technique he has found that helps him. I don't have an answer for you on this one. |
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Post by cassie on Jul 20, 2014 23:26:15 GMT -5
That "sharpness" and intensity of tonal quality - the thing we call 3D. #discuss The more I've gotten used to Adam's voice, the more I notice the difference with some other singers. Sometimes the difference doesn't bother me, but sometimes I just can't listen to those '2D' voices, I'm missing the 3rd dimension. I think Adam's base color is simply 3D. He doesn't need to add stuff to his voice to make it 3D. To use 'Titanium' duet as an example - Angie Miller starts singing her verse, and I'm thinking: she has a pretty voice, it sounds good, but it's not until Adam starts singing his verse that I feel her voice is missing something, it's missing fullness, roundness. His voice just glides through the notes and produces the kind of sound that envelops you like a velvet glove. It's definitely not what we call a rock voice. I think he adds things to his voice when he wants to make it sound 'rock'-ish, but even then he doesn't lose that base color - that velvet 3D fullness is still there beneath the added 'rock edge'. Most rock singers, however, don't have that 3D color as the base. Their base is the gritty harsh voice. And maybe some can add stuff to it, but I don't think they could ever get that 3D sound - probably because of the lack of training, I guess. I remember Meatloaf talking about how his producers wanted him to sing with more grit and gravel, while he wished he could sing in his Adam voice, which he doesn't have. He simply can't produce that sound--he didn't train his voice like Adam did. Anyway, that's just what I think and how I perceive it. What you said! Adam has marvelous technique that maximizes the resonance in his body and creates all kinds of complimentary harmonics. Of course, he has to have the right physiology to be able to create the harmonics, but he then has to learn how to produce it. Nothing can substitute for good training when it comes to getting that kind of tone. that 3D sound. Once you hear Adam, it is true. Most pop singers' voices sound dull and flat. They either lack the brightness of the higher harmonics, or they sound brittle and tinny, lacking the richness of the lower harmonics. Additionally, Adam has a sound that seems effortless and floating. Almost never strained or pushed or constipated. Love it! |
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Post by cassie on Jul 21, 2014 9:41:51 GMT -5
 Shhhhh. I am hiding my post here in the vocal thread where most folks won't see it. But I have to ask, did anyone else hear what I heard on WWTLF at Meriweather last night? Did Adam's voice actually crack twice on the power notes? I know, I know, he is practically perfect and has a voice from heaven. But, last night could be definitive proof that he is in fact only human.
I probably should not mention such a thing, but, I figure if I am going to rave about how incredible his technique and performances are at points, it only seems fair to point out when he bobbles the ball a little. If for no other reason than to prove that I CAN be objective about the guy.
So, please review (sorry it is not a great video). youtu.be/zcCJ2K1DeDo The two notes are at 2:00 and 3:30. What do you think?
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Post by Jablea on Jul 21, 2014 10:38:01 GMT -5
Shhhhh. I am hiding my post here in the vocal thread where most folks won't see it. But I have to ask, did anyone else hear what I heard on WWTLF at Meriweather last night? Did Adam's voice actually crack twice on the power notes? I know, I know, he is practically perfect and has a voice from heaven. But, last night could be definitive proof that he is in fact only human.
I probably should not mention such a thing, but, I figure if I am going to rave about how incredible his technique and performances are at points, it only seems fair to point out when he bobbles the ball a little. If for no other reason than to prove that I CAN be objective about the guy.
So, please review (sorry it is not a great video). youtu.be/zcCJ2K1DeDo The two notes are at 2:00 and 3:30. What do you think?
I don't think so. I think it's a recording issue that can't keep up with the frequencies or a finger accidentally over the microphone. The first one especially someone would have mentioned it hearing it live. ETA: here's another one at 4:20 where it seems like the amps or speakers give up. |
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Post by cassie on Jul 21, 2014 13:12:06 GMT -5
You may be right that what I am hearing is some strange poltergeist in the sound system. I talked to smokeyvera who attended the concert. She said the venue SUCKED and the sound wasn't good. I asked her about WWTLF and she said his voice definitely did NOT crack. She said he was on fire all evening. Whew that is a relief. Of course, then I am back to "He is not human!"
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Post by solar1 on Jul 22, 2014 11:56:47 GMT -5
I was at Merriweather and heard what I thought was a crack in his voice twice too. I was on the lawn and actally thought that the sound was better at this venue compared to inside the Palace in Detroit. At the time, I worried that something happened to his vocal cords and that he would take it easy the rest of the show. That didn't seem to happen, so I put if off as my hearing playing tricks on me. In hearing a recording with the same cracks, I'm again wondering if his voice is OK. If his voice did crack a couple of times, is is due to some vocal cord issues, or just fatigue?
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Post by Holst on Jul 22, 2014 12:19:29 GMT -5
Adam is about to take on those monster songs on three-day back-to-back concerts. I am very curious about how he is going to utilize his voice on big numbers. It's funny that his energy was even higher and he went for more high notes on the second concerts on two-day back-to-back singing (for example, LV2 and Dallas). Yes, but he didn't go all out on WWTLF in Dallas. He knows what he's doing. I wonder if he brought a vocal coach with him on this tour like he did on GNT? Haven't heard anything about it, but it's probable he consulted somebody during rehearsals and I'm sure he plans for these things even now with the tour underway. He likes mixing things up, doesn't like to sing the same song in the exact same way, so that might also be one of the reasons why he switches which songs to go all out on and which to tone down a bit. It's taken me weeks to catch up on Atop and finally get to the vocal thread, where I knew there were interesting discussions. Toramenor, you've brought up some great discussion points. I'm just adding one comment here because I think it is a misunderstanding that some Adam fans have that he brought a vocal coach on GNT with him. I'm pretty sure he said he consulted a vocal coach in prep for the tour but I don't remember that one was on tour. It's hard for me to imagine paying someone 9 months of salary for that. Adam is at a level where he might get vocal "checkups" but not need someone full-time. Anybody know facts regarding this? I'd sure like to know more. ETA: And welcome to Atop TORAMENOR! I wasn't online much when you came aboard. |
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Post by Holst on Jul 22, 2014 12:44:04 GMT -5
Shhhhh. I am hiding my post here in the vocal thread where most folks won't see it. But I have to ask, did anyone else hear what I heard on WWTLF at Meriweather last night? Did Adam's voice actually crack twice on the power notes? I know, I know, he is practically perfect and has a voice from heaven. But, last night could be definitive proof that he is in fact only human.
I probably should not mention such a thing, but, I figure if I am going to rave about how incredible his technique and performances are at points, it only seems fair to point out when he bobbles the ball a little. If for no other reason than to prove that I CAN be objective about the guy.
So, please review (sorry it is not a great video). youtu.be/zcCJ2K1DeDo The two notes are at 2:00 and 3:30. What do you think?
That is so peculiar sounding. Both times the notes go sharp. It doesn't sound like a crack to me--they are smooth, not jolting, like a crack. Would the electronics make a note sound sharp like that? Usually when he hits something out of tune, it's flat. VERY ODD. |
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Post by cassie on Jul 22, 2014 12:46:19 GMT -5
I was at Merriweather and heard what I thought was a crack in his voice twice too. I was on the lawn and actally thought that the sound was better at this venue compared to inside the Palace in Detroit. At the time, I worried that something happened to his vocal cords and that he would take it easy the rest of the show. That didn't seem to happen, so I put if off as my hearing playing tricks on me. In hearing a recording with the same cracks, I'm again wondering if his voice is OK. If his voice did crack a couple of times, is is due to some vocal cord issues, or just fatigue? I've listened to three or four different videos of WWTLF from Merriweather. Despite folks there who denied the cracks, I think that is the explanation. You being there and hearing it too substantiates that for me. It just doesn't sound like an electronic issue. It sounded as if he over-sang it a bit. Enthusiasm? Overcompensation for a tired voice? He did go all out for other notes during the concert, so I am guessing he was not battling vocal cord issues, because he would have wisely backed off other notes after the cracking. The fact that they deleted TSMGO also made me wonder, tho'. JUst a guess, but I think MAYBE his voice felt a little tired or shaky, so he planned to take it easy. Then, the crowd was so wild and loud he got caught up in the moment and pushed it when maybe it would have been better not to. One night of that will probably not do any damage. If it did, all the people who were hoarse from screaming at the concert would have lasting vocal problems. Fortunately there was no concert yesterday, and we hope that he put himself on strict vocal rest, and physical rest, and will be 100% tonight. |
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Post by bridgeymah on Jul 22, 2014 16:10:57 GMT -5
Shhhhh. I am hiding my post here in the vocal thread where most folks won't see it. But I have to ask, did anyone else hear what I heard on WWTLF at Meriweather last night? Did Adam's voice actually crack twice on the power notes? I know, I know, he is practically perfect and has a voice from heaven. But, last night could be definitive proof that he is in fact only human.
I probably should not mention such a thing, but, I figure if I am going to rave about how incredible his technique and performances are at points, it only seems fair to point out when he bobbles the ball a little. If for no other reason than to prove that I CAN be objective about the guy.
So, please review (sorry it is not a great video). youtu.be/zcCJ2K1DeDo The two notes are at 2:00 and 3:30. What do you think?
That is so peculiar sounding. Both times the notes go sharp. It doesn't sound like a crack to me--they are smooth, not jolting, like a crack. Would the electronics make a note sound sharp like that? Usually when he hits something out of tune, it's flat. VERY ODD. I listened to this vid and immediately picked the cracks (and at least one that I heard bum note). His voice just sounded tired... Not as bright as usual. But no surprise given stage of tour. Glad he has a couple of weeks off before Asia and Oz. |
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