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Post by happy on Jan 21, 2015 13:10:34 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your expertise. I also worry when I see Adam surrounded by smokers. Oh well, he lives his life. I'm sure he has a vocal trainer too. At a minimum, it's just one way to keep you motivated to do those vocal exercises -- just like a physical trainer.
It is true about overhydration. I know of a young woman who became seriously ill by drinking way too much water. "The amount of water in the body is carefully controlled by two processes: urine production in the kidneys, and the thirst response. This careful balance can be thrown off at either end, either because of disease or by a person consciously overriding his or her own thirst. When too much water collects in the body, it can lead to water intoxication or dangerously low levels of sodium in the blood (hyponatremia)."
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Post by coo.coo.ca.choo on Jan 21, 2015 14:35:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the insight. I so appreciate your willingness to share what you know with the rest of us. I didn't know that the tea and honey triggered the saliva glands. I thought the tea and honey was used to just coat. Interesting.
And, this doesn't have anything to do with singing but one of my drs insists that we all drink too much water which taxes so many other organs. He uses the same mantra re "pee clear" then stop. Water is another of those "too much of a good thing" items. I had not heard that about drinking too much water. Too much soda, yes. Interesting. I guess it is moderation in all things. Well except in Adam stanning. Thanks for sharing. IKR. I really debated the water thing with him too. It was against everything that I had ever heard. I prided myself in the amt of water I was drinking! But, this dr. is a kidney specialist at Vanderbilt and all the other adjustments he recommended resulted in all my numbers returning to normal -- NSAIDS being the #1 culprit. |
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Post by red panda on Jan 24, 2015 20:23:33 GMT -5
So much I don't know. Does the above mean that Sinatra could take air in at the same time he was producing a note to make that note longer? Because I experimented and could not see how it could be done. Boy this science of singing is a never ending marvel to me. Thanks, cassie!  |
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Post by cassie on Jan 24, 2015 20:59:25 GMT -5
I kinda doubt if Sinatra could take in air while singing. In order to take air into the lungs, it must pass thru an open larynx where the vocal cords live. In order to produce vocal notes, one must expel air from lungs thru vocal cords that are closed. Seems impossible to do both at the same time.
Horn players are able to do the trick because they puff their cheeks and hold air in their mouth, then expel the air into the wind instrument by constricting their cheeks. It is possible to do that while taking a breath in thru your nose. Or so they say.
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Post by red panda on Jan 25, 2015 12:49:09 GMT -5
Thanks, cassie.  |
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Post by cassie on Jan 25, 2015 13:52:05 GMT -5
This is not really about voice, but, I am not sure where else to put it, and I wanted to archive it. The discussion on yesterday's daily thread was about Tommy Jo playing in Adam's band in Era 3. This was my reply, not so much about TJR as about the difference between competent technicians and talented musicians. What Adam needs is top notch MUSICIANS to back him. I have never sat down with TJR and jammed, I have never watched him practice or rehearse, but from what I have seen and heard, he is a technician rather than a musician. Yes, if you show him how to play a song, give him the chords, and sit him down with a guitar and several hours to work on it, he can LEARN to play it competently. Let's face it. Most of us who play an instrument are technicians. Then you have people like my sister who are amazing musicians. She recently went to Florida to escape the winter blizzards and sat in with a local rock/pop/country band who needed a keyboard player. They were concerned how she would fit in, as she hadn't had time to learn their repertoire. Worse than that, they didn't even have "cheat sheets" or charts with an outline of lyrics and chording. She assured them she would be fine. Some of their numbers were songs she had played before some time in the forty plus years she has been gigging. Others she had heard on the radio at some point. All she needed was to know the key they played in, and she could play with them. The songs she had not heard before? Those took the guys playing the song thru once or twice before she had it down. Country songs? All it took was one verse and she was playing along with them. I contrast that with TJR's playing of Change is Gonna Come. He must have heard it before. It is an anthem for civil rights. But even if he hadn't, all he had to do was follow Monte's chording which he could see and hear, and then play the base of the chord on the bass. (For example, a G chord, contains the notes G, B and D. The base of the chord is G. 90% of the time the bass guitar is playing the base of the chord or one of the other notes in it. As long as TJ did that he was golden. He couldn't.) Great musicians can create, modify and change songs. You've got a cold tonight and can't hit the high notes? No problem. We will just drop the key a bit. Instead of G, how about F? Still too high? How about Eb? It's Reggae night? No problem. WLL with a reggae beat coming up. When Adam tried that on the GNT stop in Atlanta, he tried directing TJ to play the beat he wanted, and TJ didn't do it. Adam actually walked over to him and pounded the beat on his chest, but TJ never picked it up. When TJ was playing guitar for Adam's whistle stop radio station promo tour and the audience wanted another number, he couldn't play it, even if he had played it previously on the bass. He had to go back to the hotel or whatever, and learn the song. "Well, of course. He never played the guitar part before," you say. That's what a TECHNICIAN does. A talented MUSICIAN can improvise the song on the spot. Not note for note perfect, but enjoyably. Think about it. You've been to a piano bar where people just call out songs to hear, right? Or send a note with a tip if they will play "My Sharona"? My sister would do that every gig. The only problem was she didn't know the words. Now, with a smart phone and the internet, she can call up lyrics and sing as well as play the piece. There is nothing wrong with good technicians. They give us a good night's entertainment. Someone with the musicality and the incredible instrument like Adam, tho', deserves top notch musicians and I hope he gets them next time around. Read more: adamtopia.com/thread/2790/24-15-adam-news-info?page=17#ixzz3PrPzEz61 |
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Post by red panda on Jan 25, 2015 16:37:22 GMT -5
I've been thinking about that also, cassie. Tommy Joe, that is. I don't know the significance of his tweeted picture of the Beatles with their original drummer. Could Tommy Joe think that he was kicked to the curb just as Adam's recognition was skyrocketing? I understand that's what happened to Pete Best?
If that is what Tommy was saying, the first thought I had was that he was overestimating his own talent and skill. I didn't have the technical explanation, but you provided that. And as far as loyalty, I think there is a real world that has to be dealt with. Should loyalty hold one back from being at the top of their game? (Rhetorical.)
I have wondered how Adam would transition his band. He has been playing with these top of the line, experienced musicians AND writers AND singers for quite awhile now. It is a real part of his burgeoning recognition factor, in my opinion. His once in a lifetime voice, paired with the music and lyrics and voices and band and presentation and public adulation of Queen? Unbeatable, in my opinion. That's the caliber of support he deserves.
I have wondered also what direction his new album will take. From the bands he has posted that he likes, I thinking there will be an electronic component. From his love of dance music, some of that sound also. I hope his voice is more in the forefront, not obscured in any way by the production. Remember, someday I'd still like an albums of iconic oldies from this boy. But that itch was definitely eased by this stint with Queen. I hope there is one outstanding ballad. And one or more kick ass climb the charts blow out the radio hits. Because apparently that does make a difference. (Don't listen to music on the radio myself.)
I hope that one of the benefits of Adam's association with Queen is sharing of their experience and expertise about the music business. They could be so instrumental in providing him with guidance and input. I think he has already learned and grown from their opinions, I think it is part of what we see in his approach to singing their songs.
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Post by Holst on Jan 28, 2015 10:31:37 GMT -5
I thought Adam's New Year SMGO was his best interpretation of that song. There was only one mistake that I heard him make in the entire nights performance and it wasn't a pitch problem. He came in a second to late in the last 'SHOW...!' www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSe5MUVwSzYI was so disappointed when SMGO was dropped from the NA setlist. I wonder if it was because he kept flubbing the lyrics. He kept finding doorways and windows where there weren't any.  I wanted to hear it no matter what he made the lyrics. I'm finally catching up on the Vocal Masterclass thread. I'm spending time listening to lots of things posted here and my own diversions. Curly, I don't see the delay in the last "Show" as wrong. It could easily be a choice--a delay for effect. Who knows though. |
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Post by Holst on Jan 28, 2015 11:01:20 GMT -5
I kinda doubt if Sinatra could take in air while singing. In order to take air into the lungs, it must pass thru an open larynx where the vocal cords live. In order to produce vocal notes, one must expel air from lungs thru vocal cords that are closed. Seems impossible to do both at the same time. Horn players are able to do the trick because they puff their cheeks and hold air in their mouth, then expel the air into the wind instrument by constricting their cheeks. It is possible to do that while taking a breath in thru your nose. Or so they say. Yup. It's called circular breathing and it is fascinating to watch. I can do it on a very elementary level. You breathe in through your nose while playing the instrument with the little bit of air left in your mouth. The video below shows it and the actual demo is at :25. I can CAN'T see how it would be possible to do anything like that while singing. It's unclear what that comment about Sinatra is about. |
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Post by Holst on Jan 28, 2015 11:21:35 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your expertise. I also worry when I see Adam surrounded by smokers. Oh well, he lives his life. I'm sure he has a vocal trainer too. At a minimum, it's just one way to keep you motivated to do those vocal exercises -- just like a physical trainer. It is true about overhydration. I know of a young woman who became seriously ill by drinking way too much water. "The amount of water in the body is carefully controlled by two processes: urine production in the kidneys, and the thirst response. This careful balance can be thrown off at either end, either because of disease or by a person consciously overriding his or her own thirst. When too much water collects in the body, it can lead to water intoxication or dangerously low levels of sodium in the blood (hyponatremia)." There is lots of stuff on the internet about overhydration (on reputable web sites). Here is what the Mayo Clinic says about how much water (fluids) to take in. I think a lot of us have gone overboard about drinking water. |
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