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Well, there is Adam Lambert "bad" and normal "bad." I agree that folks who are not familiar with all that Adam can do vocally would not notice anything objectionable about the performance. It is not terribly off-pitch or terribly wimpy. It is just not extraordinary. From Adam I expect consistently extraordinary. If that song was my only introduction to Adam, I would not have sought out other performances. Fortunately, I have six plus years of amazing vocals to counterbalance the rare instances where Adam has sound problems or is not sufficiently warmed up or is a little off balance with an overflow of nerves and adrenaline.

I think we Adam lovers can adore him, can think his voice is second to none, can drool over his looks and be totally charmed by his personality yet still occasionally be less than enamoured by a performance. And there is nothing wrong with saying so. If we can say that we don't like aqua board shorts, or Melvin, or the bolo tie outfit, what is wrong with saying we don't care for his choice of using falsetto? It is probably safer, however, to comment in this thread devoted to vocal techniques rather than on the daily thread.

Whoa. Since I'm the one who started this topic you should be able to look back at my posts and see what language I used that you thought was WAY over the top.  From what I remember I said it was "not good" and that that I wouldn't share that version with a newbie I was trying to get interested in Adam.  I knew you were upset that day because one of your replies said that I/we had said he was "horrible" but I thought that was emotion talking.  Now I want to know what words you still think were so bad.

cassie, there is a contestant, Jordan, on this season of The Voice that interests me, I think for obvious reasons, he reminds me of Adam.  My opinion only, of course.  Maybe because he has, IMO, a strong voice, and can sing those high notes.  And yes, Adam will always be my personal King of Singing.  But I am interested in other singers, especially with the idea of technique.  ETA:  One difference I think I hear is the amount of resonance, richness, depth, (not sure what the correct term is) in Adam's voice.


Could you do a little compare and contrast with his and Adam's voice?  I am especially interested in whether Jordan is using falsetto, and when in this video:

Thanks, cassie.  Appreciate your time and thoughts.

When Jordan was in the blind auditions and the judges turned around, their shock seemed to be real.  I think, as you referenced, they expected from the sound of his voice to see a female.  

So I totally get what you are saying, just didn't know how to quantify it with the proper terms.  And this is what you do for me, cassie.  I didn't know the words, but when you said, "His voice is lacking in the lower frequencies generally heard in an adult male voice, be it tenor or baritone," I knew exactly what you meant.

It made for this interesting battle round:



Jordan is not someone who gives me feels, at least not so far.  I suspect you may be right, he may just be a novelty singer like Susan Boyle.  But he is interesting.  And I also would be curious about what his training has been.  

I think I remember once someone saying that Adam had a natural ability to sing high, but that he would have had to work on it to maintain it through puberty and the natural changes that occur with a male voice.  I may have that a little skewed, but I do clearly remember the part about him having to work to maintain and develop his high range.  

And I assume that there is a limit to how much you can train a voice, that there are some inherent physical properties necessary for the outstanding voices.

With all that in mind, do you think that with the proper training and the desire to learn that Jordan could be an outstanding singer?  

Probably not a fair question, but I keep wondering how much of Adam's vocal talents are physical and spiritual and hard work, and how much are just genetic luck (like chest size, anatomy of the vocal cords, mouth and throat).  So, relating this to Jordan, wondering if he has enough of either.

I thought again of what sweetness it would be to have Adam do the blind auditions.  We know now that it is not just us, he has been lauded by so many in the industry.  So I know those judges would be blown away by his voice when they couldn't see him, and then, when turning, be blown away again.  I just can't believe anyone who professes a knowledge of singing could do anything but be in awe of his talent and skill.

Sort of rambling here, cassie, hope you can follow this!


And switching contestants, I absolutely love this girl.  She is not unique, but she is certainly unique to The Voice.  Not too many jazzy singers that I have seen. 





She would fit right into a playlist with these ladies (and others, too, but I'm ending up with a really long post):