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Post by cassie on May 15, 2011 22:39:49 GMT -5
That is really great. I'd seen it and shared it, but it was nice to watch again. I especially liked his comment about joining the college choir and having his B&W world turn to technicolor. Oh, yes. I have had that experience both in playing in a full orchestra and singing in a great choir. The music surrounds you, permeates you, and you fall into this great river of music surging forward. Other-worldly!
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Post by cassie on May 15, 2011 22:48:44 GMT -5
cassie - I know zip about vocal abilities..Adam pretty much ruined some of my expectations. I now find it very, very annoying when singers drop the last few letters of a word at the end of a phrase. Is that breath control or articulation? Many of the A10 group have done that all season. Very good question. (And, yes, listening to Adam perform will do that to you. Like your first taste of a world-class chocolate ruins you forever for a Hershey's bar). The simple answer to "Is it breath control or articulation" is "yes." Often, a singer runs out of breath before he/she completes the musical phrase or word, and has to cut it off. No more air to make the sound. But, articulating words, especially consonants, clearly while singing is difficult. To sing thru a phrase you must have a constant flow of air and musical tone. But, to articulate certain consonants like B, P, D, T, K and G you have to very momentarily stop the air flow. To articulate other consonants like S, TH, SH and F you have to continue the air flow but momentarily shut off the vocal cords. Also, the pure musical note has much more power and resonance than the articulated consonants, so they can get lost. It takes a lot of training and practice to consistently sing words clearly, and Adam is at the top of the pack in this regard. Oh, how he spoils us! Don't you love it?
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Post by annietoo on May 16, 2011 12:32:04 GMT -5
Cassie, I posted this in the News thread but it is more appropriate here. Cassie this question is for you. I too get bummed at the JD comparisons and ther is a post on the AI official forum called "James does not have a pitch problem" by some voice expert and I was wondering what you thought. myidol.americanidol.com/go/thread....__Pitch_ProblemIf you have time to explain in the Masterclass thread if that is more appropriate, just curious because what I hear just doesn't sound good but you are so good at explaining this stuff. Thanks!
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Post by cassie on May 16, 2011 12:55:46 GMT -5
Cassie, I posted this in the News thread but it is more appropriate here. Cassie this question is for you. I too get bummed at the JD comparisons and ther is a post on the AI official forum called "James does not have a pitch problem" by some voice expert and I was wondering what you thought. myidol.americanidol.com/go/thread....__Pitch_ProblemIf you have time to explain in the Masterclass thread if that is more appropriate, just curious because what I hear just doesn't sound good but you are so good at explaining this stuff. Thanks! Saw your question in the daily thread first, so answered it there. I am bringing it over here as well. Thanks for asking. The woman has impressive credentials -- much more impressive than mine. But, I have to disagree with her, in a way. Well, in many ways, but for now, just about pitch. IMO, James does not have a pitch problem but a control problem. Meaning, I don't think it is a matter of him not hearing a bad pitch. If that were the case, he would be consistently off, and he would not correct himself quickly. No, he doesn't have exact control of his voice and his breath support. So, he doesn't always hit the pitch square on. Think of shooting a gun at a target. Shooting a gun is incredibly easy. Just hold it up, pull the trigger, and blam. But, hitting the bulls eye of a distant target, and even better, hitting the MIDDLE of that bulls eye takes hours, years of practice. Total familiarity with the gun, and the impact of various environmental conditions. Perfect eye/hand coordination. And the proper breathing so as not to cause the slightest movement of the gun in your hand. (At least I think that's true. I am not into target shooting, or shooting at all.) Singing is easy. Just open your mouth, activate your vocal cords and your breath, and blam. But singing consistently on pitch, squarely on pitch, up and down your range, at different loudness levels, at different speeds..... that takes drill and practice for years. Not just singing songs for fun, but doing vocal exercises, singing scales, singing intervals (jumping from one note to another). Just as you practice hitting the center of the target when you shoot, you have to practice hitting the center of each note as you sing. Then, you also have to practice your breathing. Breathe a little too hard when you are shooting for a note, and it will go sharp. Don't have enough breath, and you will go flat. Don't have good muscle control and your pitch will vary as you hold a note for a long time. What I hear when James sings is an inconsistency in the pitch. Usually slight, but still unpleasant. Some notes right on, some notes a tad sharp or flat. It occurs more often when he is moving around.... a sure sign of lack of strong breath support. That's my opinion, and I am sticking to it!
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Post by koshka on May 16, 2011 14:02:26 GMT -5
Cassie - thanks for answering my question. Yeah Adam ruined me. My husband too. While I keep my adam stanning to a bare minimum around him, HE is the one that keeps comparing Adam to other entertainers and contestants. cracks me up.
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Post by cassie on May 16, 2011 20:56:29 GMT -5
Posted this in the daily thread in response to a request, but thought I would archive it here as well.
What is it about Adam Lambert’s voice that makes it so special? It’s many things, some tangible and some ethereal. The first thing many comment on is his range. Recordings of his voice have him singing as low as a Bb2 or a C3 (the C below middle C) and as high as A5 (close to two octaves above middle C), in full head voice, not falsetto. There are even a couple of brushes with a Bb5. Most singers are happy with a two octave range, and Lambert routinely exceeds that in performance.
But range is nothing without tone or timbre. Lambert has a pure, crystal, ringing tone to his voice throughout his range. His voice abounds with harmonics that enhance the richness of the tone. (Some even think we unconsciously respond to these harmonics resonating in our own bodies. His voice ‘feels’ good.) At will, he can darken or lighten the tone, warm it with vibrato or pierce it with a straight sound. He can seamlessly blend his tone up and down his entire range so that one cannot detect where he shifts from chest, to mixed, to head register. He can make his voice sound light and lilting, floating on the notes, or powerful and dramatic using both his head and chest register way into his upper range. People say that he belts or screams, but that is inaccurate. There is no strain, no push, no sound of effort when he wails a high note. The power comes from his use of the natural full resonance of his body and his excellent breath support in a most relaxed manner.
Another notable thing about Lambert is his ability to sing multiple styles or genres convincingly. Coming from a musical theater background, he can sing in the “legitimate” style of a Broadway star. Because of his years of serious vocal training, he can sing in a convincing operatic style as well. Few classically trained singers can shift their style to sound convincing doing pop, blues or hard rock, but Lambert assails each of these styles like a natural. Gone are the formal tones of opera, and present is the slightly gruff, raw grit of a rock singer. And he can do jazz riffs with the best of them.
Underlying this ability is the physiology he was born with --- the physiology of a great singer. Just like a beautifully crafted cello has a rich, full-bodied, honeyed resonance, so does his body. But, it is his years of training, practice and study that allow him to make the most of his instrument. To know how to shape it, how to support it, how to bend notes, elongate phrases, articulate words, add crescendos and diminuendos, and craft the song into one that touches us emotionally. Just like the cello sounds best when played by a technically accomplished musician who has great interpretation abilities.
That’s what is so remarkable about Adam Lambert’s voice. As to his ability as a performer and entertainer, we’ll save that for another day.
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Post by sugaree on May 19, 2011 4:59:31 GMT -5
Copied post from AI thread. Questions and comments from cassie please Up at 4 a.m. to get hubby to the airport - coherent comments later. Cassie, this is what I wanted to hear from Haley on Rhiannon. How would you classify Stevie Nicks' voice? youtu.be/9FTlnH0b0YsStevie is my absolute favorite female singer. Back when I could sing, I had an inferior but similar range and sound. Anyway, my favorite Stevie song. youtu.be/WM7-PYtXtJMAdded just because. IMO some of the most beautiful harmonies. What are the experts' comments on these women's voices? My favorite female singers have raspy voices (is that the right word?). youtu.be/ZSkE3SGxqIQ
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Post by sugaree on May 19, 2011 8:36:36 GMT -5
Since I've been up for over 5 hours and it's only 9 am, I've been listening to some of my favorites. I guess I never thought about the fact that my favorite songs and artists are those that I can sing along to. That's true for everyone, but for me it is because I can sing along and sound good (to my ears anyway). Couldn't scream along to Free Bird to save my life. Here's what I came up with for my favorite singers of all time (Adam excluded, and he does not fit the category because I could never sing along and sound good). Kenny Loggins (when he was with Loggins and Messina) Love Song youtu.be/bD5U6EClOPsAnne Murray You Needed Me youtu.be/ilny-CIVdnQJames Taylor - Carolina In My Mind youtu.be/sXmgkvIgc0wCarole King - Natural Woman (yes, I almost always like the singer/songwriter versions of songs - sorry Aretha) youtu.be/MOyvYnkdEccWarning - sort of twang alert, but the man sold 85 million albums and was the first country crossover artist. Eddy Arnold Make The World Go Away. youtu.be/nWN8Bv9bMmcAnd anyone who does not know who this man is, must be dead. Nat King Cole - Unforgettable. youtu.be/UCQed1WBpUwHad to ad this one because I (probably because the voters in the bars were drunk) won several talent night competitions singing it. I don't put her range with the others, but maybe I'm wrong. Linda Ronstadt - When Will I Be Loved. youtu.be/dKUj3WMfKFESo, my question to the masterclass experts is "what do they have in common?". Might be nothing. Just the fact that I just love them.
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Post by cassie on May 19, 2011 10:23:03 GMT -5
Copied post from AI thread. Questions and comments from cassie please Up at 4 a.m. to get hubby to the airport - coherent comments later. Cassie, this is what I wanted to hear from Haley on Rhiannon. How would you classify Stevie Nicks' voice? youtu.be/9FTlnH0b0YsStevie is my absolute favorite female singer. Back when I could sing, I had an inferior but similar range and sound. Anyway, my favorite Stevie song. youtu.be/WM7-PYtXtJMAdded just because. IMO some of the most beautiful harmonies. What are the experts' comments on these women's voices? My favorite female singers have raspy voices (is that the right word?). youtu.be/ZSkE3SGxqIQAh, yes. Much more satisfying performance. Stevie has a distinctive voice. A very powerful lower register with warmth and depth. Not a "classical" voice by any means, but perfect for the type of song she sings. She sets the key to work for her range perfectly. Most importantly, she is a great song interpreter. The words have meaning when she sings, she phrases the music and lyrics in a meaningful way. Nothing sounds rote, but rather, spontaneous. She makes Rhiannon sound haunting. Interesting that the Dixie Chicks singer has a similar tone and style. Again, the very chesty, throaty, powerful lower register. And a similar style vibrato as well, narrow and fast, almost fluttering. And, again, interpreting, putting feeling in the song. I don't get that depth from Haley. And she has a sucky lower register. Her power notes are much higher and sharper. Haley, like the other two contestants, is still rather young to have developed the ability to understand and interpret songs completely. I think raising the age for Idol contestants rather than lowering it would have gotten more interesting contestants, but, if you are marketing to tweens and teens, then, I guess that is not important. Too bad.
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Post by cassie on May 19, 2011 10:41:41 GMT -5
Since I've been up for over 5 hours and it's only 9 am, I've been listening to some of my favorites. I guess I never thought about the fact that my favorite songs and artists are those that I can sing along to. That's true for everyone, but for me it is because I can sing along and sound good (to my ears anyway). Couldn't scream along to Free Bird to save my life. Here's what I came up with for my favorite singers of all time (Adam excluded, and he does not fit the category because I could never sing along and sound good). Kenny Loggins (when he was with Loggins and Messina) Love Song youtu.be/bD5U6EClOPsAnne Murray You Needed Me youtu.be/ilny-CIVdnQJames Taylor - Carolina In My Mind youtu.be/sXmgkvIgc0wCarole King - Natural Woman (yes, I almost always like the singer/songwriter versions of songs - sorry Aretha) youtu.be/MOyvYnkdEccWarning - sort of twang alert, but the man sold 85 million albums and was the first country crossover artist. Eddy Arnold Make The World Go Away. youtu.be/nWN8Bv9bMmcAnd anyone who does not know who this man is, must be dead. Nat King Cole - Unforgettable. youtu.be/UCQed1WBpUwHad to ad this one because I (probably because the voters in the bars were drunk) won several talent night competitions singing it. I don't put her range with the others, but maybe I'm wrong. Linda Ronstadt - When Will I Be Loved. youtu.be/dKUj3WMfKFESo, my question to the masterclass experts is "what do they have in common?". Might be nothing. Just the fact that I just love them. Well, I was with you thru the first four, up thru Carole King. I would say you like your ladies to have that low, chesty voice. Anne Murray made a career of that dark caramel color of her bottom notes. And you like the musician as troubadour, story teller, interpreter. Lots of similarities between Loggins (House at Pooh Corner, Celebrate Me Home always touched me) and Taylor (Fire and Rain about a friend who committed suicide was poignant). And all of them, male and female, do have similar ranges (King's just a bit higher). But, then you threw Eddie Arnold in there, and I don't know what to say about that. Then, Nat King Cole? A smooth, jazzy crooner? Having a hard time finding a central theme with all of them, except that they are great interpreters of a song, and make you feel something when you listen. Of course, you can like several different styles of music and singing. In fact, probably do. Otherwise it would get boring. Interesting collection!
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