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Post by gelly14 on May 27, 2011 5:36:05 GMT -5
cassie
I just wanted to thank you once again about that amazing explanation you posted re : "my conviction" 
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Post by Holst on May 27, 2011 22:09:52 GMT -5
Cassie, you actually cracked me up with your dipthongy thingy of My Conviction. I could hear everything you described in my head (I've listened to it a biiiit). His use of classical skills is so funny.
I, too, worry about the rasp. I have trouble listening to Aftermath on Idol because of it. It hurts my throat sometimes.
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Post by cassie on Jun 2, 2011 17:54:13 GMT -5
Angelina Kalahari's latest program in now available on YT. We talk about communication and the singer as a master communicator. It is posted in four parts. The first is about communication in general, and communication with deaf people more specifically. That continues on part two until about half way thru.
Then, Angelina describes the attributes we want in a singer as a communicator. (Yup, you can imagine Adam when she talks about each characteristic.)
About half way thru the third one we start talking about Adam in particular as a master communicator on and off stage. Part four continues the discussion, and give three songs as examples: Come Home, BorW, and TOMT.
If you go to YT to play this, you can link to parts 2-4. Hope you enjoy it.
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Post by rihannsu on Jun 2, 2011 18:52:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Cassie, I do want to listen again as I struggled the first time since I was on my laptop working. Hard to pay attention thoroughly while also grooming a dog.
On the subject of feeling comfortable while listening to a performer I was listening to an interview with Monte recently where he was talking about his upcoming album and he was asked about what he's been listening to that has been inspiring him. He started talking about having got back into listening to Metal because Longineu was always playing a lot of metal while they were on tour and because most metal bands have good guitarists he and Tommy where listening to a lot of different albums. He said that Adam listened to some too but not very much because it made him uncomfortable. He then went on to explain that just like if he is listening to something with sucky guitars it isn't very pleasant for him and that since unfortunately a lot of the metal singers are really just screaming Adam could not listen to much of it because it was really unpleasant for him. He went on to say that most of the time you will find that singers like to listen to bands with good singers, guitarists like bands with good guitarists and drummers like bands with good drummers. That was more important than what genre of music something was. He also mentioned that he had just done a lesson with about 30 kids where he was demonstrating that all music uses the same notes but how you play them is what makes the difference in music genres and he talked about demonstrating that with different guitars or effects settings.
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Post by cassie on Jun 2, 2011 19:40:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Cassie, I do want to listen again as I struggled the first time since I was on my laptop working. Hard to pay attention thoroughly while also grooming a dog. On the subject of feeling comfortable while listening to a performer I was listening to an interview with Monte recently where he was talking about his upcoming album and he was asked about what he's been listening to that has been inspiring him. He started talking about having got back into listening to Metal because Longineu was always playing a lot of metal while they were on tour and because most metal bands have good guitarists he and Tommy where listening to a lot of different albums. He said that Adam listened to some too but not very much because it made him uncomfortable. He then went on to explain that just like if he is listening to something with sucky guitars it isn't very pleasant for him and that since unfortunately a lot of the metal singers are really just screaming Adam could not listen to much of it because it was really unpleasant for him. He went on to say that most of the time you will find that singers like to listen to bands with good singers, guitarists like bands with good guitarists and drummers like bands with good drummers. That was more important than what genre of music something was. He also mentioned that he had just done a lesson with about 30 kids where he was demonstrating that all music uses the same notes but how you play them is what makes the difference in music genres and he talked about demonstrating that with different guitars or effects settings. I understand. There is a lot of content in the interview. Lots to think about. At the end of the interview taping, I couldn't remember a lot of what we had said. Listen to it when you can, if you want. Thanks for sharing that info about Monte and his statement that Adam was uncomfortable listening to Metal. I completely know where he is coming from. There are styles of music I don't care for. Types of music that sound discordant to me. But, when a SINGER is bad, it is physically very uncomfortable. My ears hear it, and my body tries to correct for it. My breathing alters. My throat and chest strains to pull up the pitch or to shift a belt into head voice. My jaw tenses. Very unpleasant. I can only imagine how a singer of Adam's quality responds when he hears a singer with problems. I can imagine that instrumentalists may have similar responses to poor playing. |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Jun 2, 2011 20:13:25 GMT -5
<snip>He said that Adam listened to some [Metal] too but not very much because it made him uncomfortable. He then went on to explain that just like if he is listening to something with sucky guitars it isn't very pleasant for him and that since unfortunately a lot of the metal singers are really just screaming Adam could not listen to much of it because it was really unpleasant for him. He went on to say that most of the time you will find that singers like to listen to bands with good singers, guitarists like bands with good guitarists and drummers like bands with good drummers. That was more important than what genre of music something was. <snip> Thanks for sharing that info about Monte and his statement that Adam was uncomfortable listening to Metal. I completely know where he is coming from. There are styles of music I don't care for. Types of music that sound discordant to me. But, when a SINGER is bad, it is physically very uncomfortable. My ears hear it, and my body tries to correct for it. My breathing alters. My throat and chest strains to pull up the pitch or to shift a belt into head voice. My jaw tenses. Very unpleasant. I can only imagine how a singer of Adam's quality responds when he hears a singer with problems. I can imagine that instrumentalists may have similar responses to poor playing. All I can say is that *I* cringe when instrumentalists are off. Literally. My muscles tighten up and I physically feel a little sick. Weirdly (and this is only my experience - won't speak for anyone else), this reaction isn't just for instruments I've played, but for other instruments as well. I haven't noticed others around me reacting the same way, so I kinda just figured it was me. |
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Post by marie23 on Jun 2, 2011 23:01:43 GMT -5
Since we were talking about Adele on the main thread, i wanted to ask Cassie about her take on this Adele song. Adam said that it was his favorite on the album, but her singing this live sounds so much more powerful. I'm wondering if the reason why this performance is so powerful, not just for the emotion that she pours into it, but also the way she phrases some of the words, makes it more powerful. Her voice doesn't sound as pure as the voices that I usually like to listen to, (ie Adam) but the cracks in this adds to the sorrow in this. Well just wanted to know what you all thought was on this. www.youtube.com/watch?v=qemWRToNYJY&feature=player_embedded |
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Post by brigadoon on Jun 3, 2011 0:16:43 GMT -5
Cassie, I'm curious to know your thoughts on the Maxidrom show in Russia, in particular this performance of Sleepwalker: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQM8NhyurPo&feature=player_embeddedAlso, in regards to the Aftermath performance on idol I was very dissapointed and I am concerned that he is not properly taking care of his voice. In my opinion, this was one of his worst performances. I am a first time poster here, so I apologize for bringing this up again if I've missed this discussion already. |
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Post by cassie on Jun 3, 2011 1:16:43 GMT -5
Cassie, I'm curious to know your thoughts on the Maxidrom show in Russia, in particular this performance of Sleepwalker: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQM8NhyurPo&feature=player_embeddedAlso, in regards to the Aftermath performance on idol I was very dissapointed and I am concerned that he is not properly taking care of his voice. In my opinion, this was one of his worst performances. I am a first time poster here, so I apologize for bringing this up again if I've missed this discussion already. Welcome to Adamtopia, brigadoon!!! Feel free to ask away. Some topics have been discussed before, but, with new members entering all the time, they can be talked about again. The SW Russia version was  . Staging wise, I still prefer the Brisbane version with costuming, keys, atmosphere, etc. But, vocally, the Russia version is incredible. The guys over at DDD (if you are not familiar with it, it is a forum of fans of hard core rock singers. They rate the best rock performances and performers, past and present. No fan girling allowed. It's just about the vocals.) Anyway, they have decided that the Russia version is the best ever. As for the Aftermath performance, I will agree. Not one of his best. Some pitch problems at the beginning --- I assume he couldn't hear something, as he has very good pitch usually. He added a lot of rasp to the high notes. Some thought it showed that his voice was not in good condition, but, I think it was just a stylistic approach. His speaking voice sounded fine. If you listen to the Russia concert, it is very obvious that there is NOTHING wrong with his voice. He hasn't ruined anything. His lower register continues to grow richer, and he was soaring up to F5s, F#5s, and even a G#5 at one point with beautiful ringing tone. I think BB is fine! (And everyone is much too polite to mention it, but Strut in Russia was a MESS. We'll never know why, but, it was apparent that he couldn't find the key at the beginning. He was about 4 notes too high going into the chorus the first time. That's not a technique problem. Not like hitting a note slightly sharp or flat, or running out of breath. Not finding the key means he couldn't hear something. Maybe missing the keyboards, maybe his monitors weren't working right. But, he doesn't get fully back on track until the slow bridge when it is softer. I cringe when he is so obviously struggling, but, it looked like no one there really noticed. And, true performer that he is, he just kept dancing and prancing as he faked his way thru it.) |
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Post by cassie on Jun 3, 2011 1:24:46 GMT -5
Since we were talking about Adele on the main thread, i wanted to ask Cassie about her take on this Adele song. Adam said that it was his favorite on the album, but her singing this live sounds so much more powerful. I'm wondering if the reason why this performance is so powerful, not just for the emotion that she pours into it, but also the way she phrases some of the words, makes it more powerful. Her voice doesn't sound as pure as the voices that I usually like to listen to, (ie Adam) but the cracks in this adds to the sorrow in this. Well just wanted to know what you all thought was on this. www.youtube.com/watch?v=qemWRToNYJY&feature=player_embeddedI think you hit on it when you say that the cracks add to the sorrow. This is a very raw, painful performance. She makes herself very vulnerable and open. I think she accomplishes this thru several means. First of all, singing alone on the stage in black, with only a single piano for accompaniment makes it personal and intimate in a way that an orchestra would not. Secondly, she is allowing her voice to crack, allowing all the rawness thru, as if she is near tears and cannot control her tone. Finally, I love her phrasing. She extends the lyrics across musical lines, giving the impression that she can't stop, that she just has to keep going, keep talking/singing to get the feelings out. At other times, she chops a phrase up, like she can't catch her breath. All in all, the raw emotion rings true, and it is the PERFORMANCE that tugs at you, not the purity of her voice. IMHO. What is it that strikes you about this performance? |
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