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Post by cassie on Jun 10, 2015 16:11:41 GMT -5
Have we seen this? What "basic" are you really bad at? "Being on time."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 16:13:54 GMT -5
Q3-Why does WB Promo put the entire albums out a week early. That boggles my mind. What a way to drastically cut into already potentially low sales, IMO. Was the album released today? Or are you referring to streaming? I have family visiting and am missing so much! Everyone streams! It is just the way it is!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 16:16:11 GMT -5
Q3, I still maintain TOH's biggest competition are the Taylors, Swift and James. Nate will not do that well at all. IMO, Swift is the biggest threat to a #1!
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Post by geezlouise on Jun 10, 2015 16:20:32 GMT -5
I know exactly what toys you're talking about, Durberville, and haha, yep. I have to say (and I'm with Bridgey, #lovethemoo), it sounds exactly like a cow to me, and would have had no one ever mentioned moos. However, it also sounds just like some random electronic noise popping up to add a little rhythmic umph to dance music. I can exist in both those worlds at once, without finding the sound the least bit distracting. I think it fits in beautifully. I love the idea of making music with noise, not notes, or that notes are just a form of noise. And I love the way the sound works to disrupt things in ALN, which has such a pretty, melodic patina overall. (the one thing it doesn't sound like to me at all, sorry Adam, is "yeah," lol.) I do see that Adam may not be thrilled with the whole moo thing, which is understandable, though he's keeping his sense of humor about it, I think. An important thing to remember, especially for Adam, is that the fans laughing about the "moo" still love it, they're not criticizing the effect, in fact, they're bringing it up precisely because they like it. It's possible to hear the moo and like the moo. You know these fans would never pick on anything they saw as a flaw or weakness. Selfishly, I hope it doesn't bother Adam too much, because, while I love a whole bunch of the songs on TOH, ALN is my absolute favorite (maybe favorite Adam song ever). I would hate for this to sour him on the song even a little bit, because it's my hold-out hope for an eventual single, after TOH and yeah, ok, maybe Rumors (can't get into that song for some reason, though I admit I did wake up with the chorus stuck in my head this morning, after just two listens). Totally separate topic, as we approach release week: Sorry if this ground has already been covered many times, but I see Q3 popping in and out, and maybe she (or one of you other numbers gurus) has an answer to a couple of questions that are nagging me. 1) I seem to remember that months ago, as we were warming up the gears to ready our Adam support machine, we were warned that the system had been changed, and that album pre-orders would no longer be counted towards 1st-week sales. Then the big push for pre-ordering came from up above/Shoshanna/etc., and we seem to have decided that this wasn't true/wasn't a worry for some reason, and all went ahead and bought the album. Was that ever resolved? Will our advance purchases count for Billboard week 1? Because, short of gifting, I assume almost all Adam fans (myself included) have preordered the album now, at least once, and that we'll therefor be limited in what we can do in terms of actual week one purchasing. 2) Relatedly, how hard will it be for TOH (the album) to climb to #1, or somewhere up there, on the Itunes album charts, if we've already all done our pre-ordering, or does iTunes somehow take that pre-ordering into account (I know industry, etc., watches iTunes, but more importantly, a high place on the iTunes charts might attract casual/curious buyers. Not panicking or anything--just curious--and of course I, like everyone, would love for Adam to get another Billboard #1 album! iTunes changed the rules so that preorders are not charting twice, once at pre-order and once at release. It only effects first week position at iTunes on release week. iTunes visibility (being on that top 10 list under singles on the front page) is everything. Sales, be they pre-order or not are all counted as first week sales.
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Post by rihannsu on Jun 10, 2015 16:21:13 GMT -5
I know exactly what toys you're talking about, Durberville, and haha, yep. I have to say (and I'm with Bridgey, #lovethemoo), it sounds exactly like a cow to me, and would have had no one ever mentioned moos. However, it also sounds just like some random electronic noise popping up to add a little rhythmic umph to dance music. I can exist in both those worlds at once, without finding the sound the least bit distracting. I think it fits in beautifully. I love the idea of making music with noise, not notes, or that notes are just a form of noise. And I love the way the sound works to disrupt things in ALN, which has such a pretty, melodic patina overall. (the one thing it doesn't sound like to me at all, sorry Adam, is "yeah," lol.) I do see that Adam may not be thrilled with the whole moo thing, which is understandable, though he's keeping his sense of humor about it, I think. An important thing to remember, especially for Adam, is that the fans laughing about the "moo" still love it, they're not criticizing the effect, in fact, they're bringing it up precisely because they like it. It's possible to hear the moo and like the moo. You know these fans would never pick on anything they saw as a flaw or weakness. Selfishly, I hope it doesn't bother Adam too much, because, while I love a whole bunch of the songs on TOH, ALN is my absolute favorite (maybe favorite Adam song ever). I would hate for this to sour him on the song even a little bit, because it's my hold-out hope for an eventual single, after TOH and yeah, ok, maybe Rumors (can't get into that song for some reason, though I admit I did wake up with the chorus stuck in my head this morning, after just two listens). Totally separate topic, as we approach release week: Sorry if this ground has already been covered many times, but I see Q3 popping in and out, and maybe she (or one of you other numbers gurus) has an answer to a couple of questions that are nagging me. 1) I seem to remember that months ago, as we were warming up the gears to ready our Adam support machine, we were warned that the system had been changed, and that album pre-orders would no longer be counted towards 1st-week sales. Then the big push for pre-ordering came from up above/Shoshanna/etc., and we seem to have decided that this wasn't true/wasn't a worry for some reason, and all went ahead and bought the album. Was that ever resolved? Will our advance purchases count for Billboard week 1? Because, short of gifting, I assume almost all Adam fans (myself included) have preordered the album now, at least once, and that we'll therefor be limited in what we can do in terms of actual week one purchasing. 2) Relatedly, how hard will it be for TOH (the album) to climb to #1, or somewhere up there, on the Itunes album charts, if we've already all done our pre-ordering, or does iTunes somehow take that pre-ordering into account (I know industry, etc., watches iTunes, but more importantly, a high place on the iTunes charts might attract casual/curious buyers. Not panicking or anything--just curious--and of course I, like everyone, would love for Adam to get another Billboard #1 album! The change had nothing to do with pre-orders not counting for sales it is entirely about how the iTunes chart works. In the past I don't think pre-orders showed up on the regular iTunes chart at all but even if the did what happened when the albums went on sale was that the entire total of the pre-orders to that point counted for chart position as if they had all taken place at the moment the album was available. The iTunes chart ranking is not strictly a number thing it is a numbers over time ranking. Think of it kind of like the mediabase rolling chart for radio expect nobody really knows what time period the itunes charts count. But what happens is that whatever sales are taking place at the moment you are looking at the chart on the store page are what is counting the most. As sales get older in time they eventually fall off. So when all the pre-orders would be counted in one big lump the album in question would shoot up high on the chart. Then as time rolled on the album would naturally fall as current sales happening would not be as much as the accumulated pre-sales. But the benefit of shooting up to a high placement not only gave bragging rights but visibility as showing up in the upper numbers of a chart means more people see the album available. The change is that pre-sales are charting now as they are happening and will not be counted as a lump sum upon release, so the album is not going to shoot up the chart on the basis of pre-orders. The good thing is that any rise in position upon release will be due to sales happening then not sales that have accumulated over the past month and a half. There was never a time when sales of pre-orders were going to not count on sales charts but simply not impacting the itunes chart position in the same way they had in the past.
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Post by kryptoman68 on Jun 10, 2015 16:22:55 GMT -5
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Post by midwifespal on Jun 10, 2015 16:26:14 GMT -5
[...] Sorry if this ground has already been covered many times, but I see Q3 popping in and out, and maybe she (or one of you other numbers gurus) has an answer to a couple of questions that are nagging me. 1) I seem to remember that months ago, as we were warming up the gears to ready our Adam support machine, we were warned that the system had been changed, and that album pre-orders would no longer be counted towards 1st-week sales. Then the big push for pre-ordering came from up above/Shoshanna/etc., and we seem to have decided that this wasn't true/wasn't a worry for some reason, and all went ahead and bought the album. Was that ever resolved? Will our advance purchases count for Billboard week 1? Because, short of gifting, I assume almost all Adam fans (myself included) have preordered the album now, at least once, and that we'll therefor be limited in what we can do in terms of actual week one purchasing. 2) Relatedly, how hard will it be for TOH (the album) to climb to #1, or somewhere up there, on the Itunes album charts, if we've already all done our pre-ordering, or does iTunes somehow take that pre-ordering into account (I know industry, etc., watches iTunes, but more importantly, a high place on the iTunes charts might attract casual/curious buyers. Not panicking or anything--just curious--and of course I, like everyone, would love for Adam to get another Billboard #1 album! iTunes changed the rules so that preorders are not charting twice, once at pre-order and once at release. It only effects first week position at iTunes on release week. iTunes visibility (being on that top 10 list under singles on the front page) is everything. Sales, be they pre-order or not are all counted as first week sales. Ahh, that makes sense, thanks so much, Geezlouise, for clarifying that. Maybe a lot of fans were wiser (and playing closer attention) than I was and pre-ordered on non-iTunes platforms, saving iTunes for release week. But at least, even if we pre-ordered on iTunes, we're still good for Billboard purposes. It'll be interesting to see how well TOH does "naturally," so to speak, on iTunes. A real test of what Adam's increased radio exposure has done for him (plus Fallon, GMA, and other goodies yet to come). ETA: and thanks so much, Rihannsu, too. That's all much clearer to me now. Heh heh I'm embarrassed to admit that my fuzzy memory of the pre-order change in rules was making me feel a little guilty and anxious, but seems all's well!
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Post by hermeticallysealed on Jun 10, 2015 16:29:52 GMT -5
Never heard the "moo," myself. Always just sounded like a lowered "yeah" to me.
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Post by sizzling63 on Jun 10, 2015 16:32:47 GMT -5
I hope this shows at the right/appropriate place here...but I just got the chance to read through Adam's notes in the cd booklet and he's such a class act. I feel compelled to encourage everybody to head to Amazon and stream the crap out of "The Original High" until the album drops. ADAM LAMBERT retweeted Warner Bros. Records @wbr Jun 8 LISTEN NOW: Stream @adamlambert's upcoming album #TheOriginalHigh a week early at smarturl.it/adam.stream
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Post by Q3 on Jun 10, 2015 16:36:27 GMT -5
About the wonderful song Another Lonely Night. this is my favorite song on the album for many reasons. I love the uptempo with the sad lyrics. I love the many layers and textures of Adam's voice and all the electronic sounds as well. It is a very rich song for me. I relate as I have used singing many times to cope with deep hurt or anger. I get the vacuum out and sing out loud whatever I am dealing with. It sure isn't pretty like Adam singing, but it helps me move out of the mood in a better place than collapsing on a bed sobbing, but sometimes that has happened also. All that to just explain how I relate to the song and also to bring myself out here more. Have purposely kept low profile as I have seen and experienced how easily emotions and intent can be misinterpreted online. I feel very strongly about this moo-gate. I don't hear the moo, have not ever heard a hint of moo. But despite scrolling through much of the jokes here and on Twitter, I now think of the moo when I hear my favorite song. It's ok, I can deal with that. Now Adam has been asked about a moo 2 or three times. Each time he clearly said it is not a moo, it is an electronic distortion of yeah. I got a very clear message from the Instagram vid today about the moo. Adam said in his very nice polite way, no moo. Get over the moo. I cannot see anything funny about Adam performing this song live and hearing his fans shouting out moo. Makes me shudder. I do see and I do know that there is nothing but love here for Adam, and I understand how individuals are hearing a moo type sound, especially if EDM is not music you are familiar with. I strongly feel that the moo is not humorous to Adam and I hope that people will respect that and get over the moo. YMMV and I respect every persons feelings. my larger font and bolding ^ You just said so perfectly what I have been feeling. And I don't like the thought of Adam being ridiculed on stage. If that happens, maybe he will just not sing the song. That would be our loss. Adam is going to perform ALN. Bet on it. JMHO -- calling that sound a sound a moo is a description and not ridiculing Adam. >> As always, we will not agree on this, but there is no need for everyone to agree on everything. There no doubt people are going to make that noise when it happens in the song, and have a good time doing it, and Adam will love it and probably encourage it. It was clearly done to create fun little moments that people who know the song can join in. I really don't think it is that big of a deal. Adam did not even create that sound -- he said it was something the sound engineer did that sounded cool. I have been listening to EDM music for years -- and I do not ever recall hearing this exact sound before, and sorry but it sounds like a moo to me. I didn't like Adam in those god-awful aqua board shorts and I did not like the blue hair -- and now Adam agrees with me on both. JMHO -- I do not mind the moo but I think the song would be better without it. Bet we get a moo-free version someday!! Save this prediction for 5 years from now. *** Setting aside the MOO or NOT NOO discussion.... I am just getting to flail over the beauty of TISI -- one of the best songs ever!! I may wear that one out. I can't wait to hear this song live. I find Adam singing the African American slang phrase "grown ass man" a bit odd but it works. I know some white people say this but it is not a general use term outside of certain African American communities. I gather that RS reviewer did not know what it means and its origin -- because she missed the point. As always with Adam's songs, I do not get everything thing on the first listen. I did not get the meaning of this song the first time because I was awed by his vocal.
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