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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2011 21:13:59 GMT -5
I've been out of town. Someone please tell me about the Ultimate Idol radio poll. Have we quite voting??? ??? I don't post here much, but wanted to say that I'm still voting. My feeling is we worked on this for almost a month, I hate to give up now. Honestly, it doesn't seem like many people are voting at all anymore. I think if everyone puts in a few votes a day Adam should win. He isn't too far behind. I am doing a few a day, but not as much as before. I'll get on it more tomorrow. You have sufficiently (and quite well) made me feel guilty!
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Post by lulu2365 on May 12, 2011 21:30:56 GMT -5
Do the Durbin fans know we are not that powerful? We couldn't even get Adam a win! ;D Adam didn't win? shhhhh..... don't tell the Durbin fans that! ;D
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Post by maria222pf on May 12, 2011 21:34:15 GMT -5
Poor guy has had so much hot air blown up his a$$ all season he was not expecting this at all!! The over praising, no help from the judges, and his ego finally caught up. He's got the raw talent. Somebody please get him a good vocal coach now!! ITA with this. Nigel & Co., and James's own ego is his worst enemy. !00 % ITA, maybe if they had been honest with him he could have improved the last 3 weeks of performances , or maybe not :
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Post by timegoesby on May 12, 2011 21:34:58 GMT -5
Slooow day, so it's a good time to post this. I've been listening to Sondheim's "Sunday in the Park with George" because I'll be playing in the pit for a production soon. The song "Putting it Together" just reminded me of all our speculation about Adam's #2. Here is a YT of Barbra Streisand's version (slightly altered lyrics) and a link to the printed lyrics. The story is about artist Georges Seura, and in this song he struggles with how to balance his artistic vision with something that he can get financing for and that will sell. Sound familiar? Excerpt: "Art isn't easy, Overnight you're a trend, you're the right combination, Then the trend's at an end, You're suddenly last year's sensation!
All they ever want is repetition, All they really like is what they know. You gotta keep a link with your tradition Got to learn to trust your intuition, While you reestablish your position So that you can be on exhibit... So that your work can be on exhibition!!!" Complete lyrics (Babs version, not original): www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/b/barbra_streisand/putting_it_together.htmll Thank you, Holst. Haven't heard that in ages, but it is so right on the mark when talking about Adam's career, and the jungle he must navigate. It is also a tour de force in singing. Such wonderful diction. Such precision in words and notes. Such compelling emotion. You have inspired me to dream of Adam doing this song. MMMMMMM! Let me also thank you for posting this. Being one who adores the original (and saw it on Broadway!) I never liked this version, but I listened to the lyric changes with Adam in mind this time, and it resonated with me in a whole new way. Jealous of you playing in the pit!! I adore Finishing the Hat. (One small correction -- it's Georges Seurat's great-grandson who sings the song in the show, not Georges.) #sondheimgeek
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Post by FanOfTheMan on May 12, 2011 21:41:21 GMT -5
I've been out of town. Someone please tell me about the Ultimate Idol radio poll. Have we quite voting??? ??? I don't post here much, but wanted to say that I'm still voting. My feeling is we worked on this for almost a month, I hate to give up now. Honestly, it doesn't seem like many people are voting at all anymore. I think if everyone puts in a few votes a day Adam should win. He isn't too far behind. Thanks for answering. 8-) Yes we did work hard on this poll. I'm putting some more votes in too. It's only 2 or 3 more days anyway. Go Adam!
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Post by Holst on May 12, 2011 21:48:41 GMT -5
Thank you, Holst. Haven't heard that in ages, but it is so right on the mark when talking about Adam's career, and the jungle he must navigate. It is also a tour de force in singing. Such wonderful diction. Such precision in words and notes. Such compelling emotion. You have inspired me to dream of Adam doing this song. MMMMMMM! Let me also thank you for posting this. Being one who adores the original (and saw it on Broadway!) I never liked this version, but I listened to the lyric changes with Adam in mind this time, and it resonated with me in a whole new way. Jealous of you playing in the pit!! I adore Finishing the Hat. ( One small correction -- it's Georges Seurat's great-grandson who sings the song in the show, not Georges.) #sondheimgeekOh, thanks for the correction. I don't really know the show yet. My recording has Mandy Patinkin singing (superb diction on lots of fast words) what I thought was the role of George. I'd better go edumahcate myself. 8-)
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Post by iluvfun42 on May 12, 2011 21:51:31 GMT -5
Hayleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! I was shocked beyond belief. I cannot believe JD is going home. Sorry (wellmaybenot) but I love me some Scotty. Maybe because I'm a biblebelter myself. He is so cute and funny and corny and entertaining and I will be going to the Idol tour to see Scotty and Haley and Lauren (sp?) and oh yeah Paul and of course Casey and yes, JD. I think this season has had some amazing talent and it was hard for me to choose my favorites. But, I did and "House of the Rising Sun" was steller in my world and it ranked right up there with "Mad World". I was blown away. IWHN was phenomenal. This girl is fighting for her life and I'm right there with her. She is deserving!!!
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Post by Holst on May 12, 2011 21:58:07 GMT -5
Hayleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! I was shocked beyond belief. I cannot believe JD is going home. Sorry (wellmaybenot) but I love me some Scotty. Maybe because I'm a biblebelter myself. He is so cute and funny and corny and entertaining and I will be going to the Idol tour to see Scotty and Haley and Lauren (sp?) and oh yeah Paul and of course Casey and yes, JD. I think this season has had some amazing talent and it was hard for me to choose my favorites. But, I did and "House of the Rising Sun" was steller in my world and it ranked right up there with "Mad World". I was blown away. IWHN was phenomenal. This girl is fighting for her life and I'm right there with her. She is deserving!!! WELCOME!!! What an upbeat first post.
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Post by cassie on May 12, 2011 22:12:48 GMT -5
ETA: Oops. Long ass post. Sorry. See why I am not on twitter? 140 character limit???
Re: judges lack of critiquing on Idol this year. (I'll connect it to Adam, promise.)
Yes, I think the lack of critique by judges is pathetic. What purpose do they have if not to act as performance and vocal experts pointing out the good, the bad, and the ugly? The audience wants to hear from "expert witnesses" who can identify problems that we cannot articulate. Experts who can inform our listening so that we can be better consumers/voters. (Not sure most of the judges have ever done that good a job of it, but at least they made some insightful comments occasionally, when not looking for sound bites.)
As for the effect of the lack of critique on the contestants, I am not convinced it would make a significant difference, particularly with James. 1) James did not appear open to suggestions or coaching. I don't know what all the vocal coaches, Iovine in particular, said to him, but I have to assume that the coaches have expertise to do the job. And from what we saw, James felt it best to go with his gut, with his opinion rather than theirs. It appeared that James does not have a great deal of discernment about his music and his abilities (or he wouldn't have tried some of the things he did musically and stage-wise). 2) James, as opposed to Adam, has probably had limited experience with taking coaching and direction. Adam had a plethora of experience with it from numerous auditions in theater, and from the daily notes directors give during rehearsal and performance. There are many times a developing artist or apprentice must just listen and make the suggested corrections, even when they do not agree or understand why. At that stage in their development they don't have enough experience to always understand why the coach's way is better. 3) If one gets good critique, if one is willing to pay it heed, one still must be able to do what is suggested. One has to have the technique to do it another way. The director says, "Brighten up the tone here" and the artist has to know how to manipulate his voice to do that. The coach says, "Take that phrase up the octave in your falsetto" and the artist has to know how to shift registers and support that style of singing. The director says, "Extend the phrase instead of chopping it up into three short segments," and the artist has to have the breath support to do that. From what we saw when Adam mentored last season, his critiques were right on. However, most of the contestants COULD NOT do what he suggested. They didn't have the technique, experience or chops to do it. That is another reason that Adam is considered such a dream for producers to work with. They say, "try it this way" and Adam can and does. The producers can craft exactly what they envision, because Adam can make it work. And, while, in the end, he may reject the suggestion for his own reasons, he is more than willing to give it a try first.
For all these reasons, I don't think the lack of judges' critiques has seriously affected the singers' performances or their lack of growth. But, a few constructive comments couldn't hurt. IMHO.
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Post by smokeyvera on May 12, 2011 22:21:33 GMT -5
pollyness Polly LMAO RT @gooseisevil The james fans r saying that Adam screwed them. What the fuck is wrong w/ them? Who wouldn't want 2 be screwed by Adam?
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