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Post by Q3 on Nov 23, 2015 16:08:34 GMT -5
I so agree with this. BUT wanting to follow an artist who is massively popular is different than wanting an artist you care about to become massively popular. I want Adam to be popular and iconic not for me but for him -- because it is what he wants. And that is different. Adam originally caught me with his voice. I am am here now for the music, the voice -- all the rest is just a bonus. But I think the point of her tweet is that if his career never lives up to that perceived notion (what we think he wants/we want for him) there is no reason for disappointment or a disconnect because it's not what ultimately matters. I guess I was not too clear in my comment. Here is the tweet... because it is 4 posts back: JB @flyteness1 The whole concept of stanning somebody because of some perceived notion of success is bizarre to me. I stan somebody because they move me.1:16 PM - 23 Nov 2015 I am an Adam fan because he moves me -- he emotionally connects with me. I do not understand the concept of filtering my fandom based on level of commercial success. I get her point and I agree with it. It just make me think.> It made me think about the difference between the "pearl clutchers", the "worriers", the fans who want to say "I was a fan before he was an icon", and the fans that want Adam to be successful in the way he wants to be. > It made me think about how successful Adam really is, all the wonderful things that Adam is getting to do, the great reception he is getting on US radio, his solo career + QAL etc. > It made me realize just how tired I am of reading whiny posts about when Adam isn't ________ or isn't ___________. > It made me realize how we have lost perspective about what matters. I think that the vast majority of fans just enjoy being fans and enjoy the music. A relatively few, unfortunately very verbose fans do a lot on online posting about being worried or about being disappointed or what Adam's management should be doing or whatever else. I just ignore them for the most part. I think they are a real minority -- but they are not helping Adam in any way and they seem to spread their gloomy view to others. I just don't get it. I you are not having fun being an Adam fan, if it is not entertaining, if his music and performance don't connect with you, why be an Adam fan?
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Post by Q3 on Nov 23, 2015 16:12:11 GMT -5
I agree with your spoken words Q3 but not with the original tweet. Too many fans are quick to pat themselves on the back for being 'good' fans and demonizing for any fan they perceive as holding different standards of fanning or behaving....it is so tiresome and only leads to a pile on of some kind and a bunch of side-taking. I have no idea the pleasure in that but it certainly isn't laudable, in any way. IMO The original tweet is referring to a group of people, on twitter, who constantly belittle what Adam does. Examples: GT was not a hit because it did not make Top 10 << their standard for success. The TOH Tour is not in big enough venues! If every show is not sold out, that equals failure. Not on the AMAS = failure. If he gets 10 radio adds, should have been 20! It is constant, and tiring. I myself have UFed many people in the past month because of it. These people appear to gave no joy in being a fan or even accepting that Adam is indeed very successful! Yes, exactly. And success is a moving target for these negativists -- if GT was Top 10 on CHR, it would not be a hit because it was not Hot 100 Top 10. I just do not get it. ETA: I just want to add -- it really is just a few fans -- mostly on Twitter. Frankly, they can do whatever they want but I choose to ignore them.
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Post by Jablea on Nov 23, 2015 16:13:42 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVFie1N25lgI think for PR sake and numbers this should be on Youtube again,where you can find it...3,512,996.. very hard to find.. Really important to show that it has over 5,000,000 views combined. I like to have choices when I search youtube.Why can't we have both official music and lyric videos I we want Adam to continue to get the opportunity to make music videos and not just lyric videos then we need to get behind the music video only. Not forever, but at least until it gains the traction to be presented as the best alternative by youtube. We may need to expect this down the road IF we get other music videos for other songs that already have a lyric video. Look at this as embracing Adam's visual presence or TPTB might just decide that it's not worth it putting money into making music vids. I want Adam on screen as much as I can get and hiding the lyric video in order to get that accomplished is an easy trade off for me.
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Post by Craazyforadam on Nov 23, 2015 16:15:36 GMT -5
I think that Adam looks at all this from a very different angle. Adam follows his own artistic star, and he draws a hard line, between the artist and their management. Over the years, he had to find out, to what extent artists are called out or are held responsible for stuff that is their management decision. He even sings about it in Heavy Fire. Adam had to sell BTIKM and NCOE, when the songs dear to his heart were rather TSP and Shady and Cuckoo and PTL, none of which ever got a chance. He now talks openly that he was not allowed to tour during that era, but he never complained about it, at the time. He was holding his head down and did the promotion he was asked to do. None of this was his responsibility, but he and his career are getting held accountable for the results.
I think, he sees Demi's situation similar, as just a management decision, that she has to live by. Do I think that Demi could have spoken up and said she wanted something different? Maybe? Maybe she actually likes NJ, and was caught in the middle, who knows, what she really wanted, ultimately she made a very US centric decision, and it is commercially safe and a well trodden path, in that what gets good ratings in the US spills successfully into a tour oversees later on. And if not, well the US is big enough that it does not break the bank. Boiler-plate roll-out model. Her challenge will be, to not let the fame monster and the money machine that made this decision, eat her alive. She has chosen this path, now she has to walk it. Artistically free, this path is not. Financially rewarding? Probably yes.
Adam, the artistic flower child, did not sell out, did not always do the commercially safe, chose a different path and tries to do what is commercially savvy, but does not compromise the artistic vision. The result is, that he is often not understood. Criticized for not writing the greatest hit, not taking on the biggest shows, not doing everything just for the sake of fame. He also zig-zags much more, just like all pioneers must. They cannot walk in a straight line, it is much more trial and error, exactly because their path is not well-trodden. Different careers, each with their own challenges, and their own critics.
When it comes to that tour, Adam probably gave it up much more easily than his management did. For Adam, it was an idea, but not a necessity to do this tour, his management may have felt more pressure about that. Adam sees Demi as a peer, somebody who has that shared fate, that they get personally held responsible for managerial/business stuff, and so he protects her and probably will do so, as long as he sees his own fandom diss her on social media, because he can be stubborn that way. He probably has put that tour behind him, and especially, if he is now working with somebody to plan a US tour, as he has indicated, then I can totally see, how he has moved on, and treats this as a case of 'when one door closes, the Lord opens a window'. Maybe a promoter has stepped up for a US tour, who was not available 3 months back? We don't know that. What we do know, is that he is working on a US leg of the tour, that his overall TOH tour is world wide, and that he is doing alright.
I think, if he can let it roll off his back, we should be able to just let it roll off ours too, at least that is my opinion in that matter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 16:16:26 GMT -5
Q3 note: this is bouncing around the web right now -- but it is NOT MTV. It is a Wordpress site from someone pretending to be affiliated with MTV. It is confusing many people.
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Post by shimoli710 on Nov 23, 2015 16:20:15 GMT -5
Wish you all a wonderful week. Great week to you too Ladymaserati. And I'm really late, but congrats on your 13 000 posts!
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Post by adamrocks on Nov 23, 2015 16:27:35 GMT -5
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Post by Q3 on Nov 23, 2015 16:27:20 GMT -5
OT -- but astounding! Billboard tweeted these amazing Adele numbers.... billboard @billboard 2m2 minutes ago .@adele's "25" sells 2.3 million in first three days in U.S., aiming for 2.9 million debut week blbrd.cm/zzXT9qSeriously amazing numbers. It is mostly because Adele has so many fans who are over 50 -- and buy albums. (Yes, she has younger fans too. But album buyers are disproportionately over 50 now.) Next time anyone gets into the "older fans" discussion cycle -- I have to remember to post the Adele fan demos and her sales numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 16:29:57 GMT -5
Wish you all a wonderful week. Great week to you too Ladymaserati. And I'm really late, but congrats on your 13 000 posts!
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