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Post by maria222pf on Jun 6, 2011 9:58:46 GMT -5
I would be shocked--SHOCKED--if they let him make a true metal album. That is, assuming he gets signed. Do the 4th placers have to sign to Innerscope or whatever label Idol works with or is he kind of on his own in that regard? I mean, if he gets signed to a small indie label the chances are much higher he could do the pure metal thing--whether it flops or not. But if Jimmy signs him I would say there is NO WAY IN HELL they would let him do what he wants. They will try and make him the next Daughtry or Cook come hell or high water. I predit his album, should he make one, will end up full of electro glam rock with his face on the cover all tilted to one side and androgynous, titled 'Schmadam Schmambert. For Your Enjoyment" ROFLMAO Billiant!!! LMAOOO |
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Post by nica575 on Jun 6, 2011 10:04:23 GMT -5
I don't want to sound heartless, but if he was smart enough to trash talk Adam and reach out to all the metal dudes to be on his side, he is not that helpless or naive. The sympathy card is fine, and I have no wish to see JD fail, well, not more than enough to prove a point, but arrogance and snide remarks about other artists, Gaga, are unacceptable. I hope he does get help, but along with musical advice, he needs to be counseled on basic human interaction. I know plenty of people with autism related conditions from aspergers to apraxia and by the time they are JD's age, they have learned to manage it. James has been out in the world, performed with a band, has a girlfriend and a child, so I'm not buying the "don't be mean to poor James because he can't help it" story. JMHOI know I'm spamming and I'll try to stop, but no guarantees. ITA with this so hard, Aspen. Especially the bolded part. And I'm late for work, so I'll try to be quick. Yes, this situation (although funnier that shit – OMG, we were ROLLING); if I could order the evening on a DVD, I would and would watch it any time I needed a laugh. I do feel bad for James and had tons of second-hand embarrassment for him last night, but he proved he should not be allowed to run amok on social media. I've written many stories and Aspies and the training they take to "learn" social cues and they are also educated about seeking out when the are confused if certain things are acceptable or not. Most I know of would err on the side of caution. James entered into this willfully. He wanted to become a public persona. No one gets a free pass in life. What bothered me most about this whole exchange was the way it puts Adam between a rock and a hard place. When you extend a direct public invitation to someone when it's a tenuous situation, you take away their choice in the matter. It's controlling behavior that borders on bullying, IMO. I always get a little uncomfortable when I see these grandiose public marriage proposals. I feel for the one being proposed to because they've just been put in an impossible, potentially humiliating situation that was sprung on them out of the blue. I see those as an ego trip for the person proposing and the person being proposed to is blind-sided. Hey, sometimes it works out and it's beyond lovely, but other times. *cringe* James, whether it's his disability or his personality (after watching him all season, I tend to think it's the latter) – and also because I know of many Aspies who do not come off as buffoons in any way – can be a tad overbearing. He should have arranged this via many mutual channels. Extending this offer via Twitter was just awkward all the way around. all true... I am not sure James is cognisant of what he is getting himself into by going with those passive aggressive tweets...: 1) he is apparently not aware that he is dealing with the person who is able to find just the perfect words AND the perfect tone to turn things his way and WIN any PR "situation" 2) he is apparently not aware of the fact that there are "official" channels to arrange these type of meetings - that is if the goal stated WAS actually the goal and not just an idiotic attention getting scheme.... 3) he is apparently not aware of the fact that this can backfire in terms of his own management co dealings with him... I hope someone can explain the PR101 to him.... may be it was just drunk tweeting...who knows...may be he is scared and has no idea what to do next... |
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Post by cassie on Jun 6, 2011 10:11:42 GMT -5
Don't want to be perceived as another beating that poor, dead horse, but....
1. I am over the asperger's syndrome defense. I have worked all my professional life with people who have a disability. Making accommodations is one thing; making excuses is another. In the real world it comes down to "can you do the job?" When trying to get employment for someone with disabilities, that is where the focus needs to be. Find the right job, the right fit, a job for which there is a solid demand, and then emphasize the ability, not the disability.
Can James Durbin DO THE JOB he is aiming for? So far, I have to say, "No." Vocally, he is still too inconsistent, be it with heavy metal or another genre. But, setting that aside, is it a marketable job? Again, I have to say "No."
So, even if accommodations are made for the asperger's, and handlers work to smooth things over, coach Durbin on interactions, and hold his hand, there is still a basic disconnect. With or without aspergers, Durbin needs to face the business realities.
2. The Idol machine has plenty of industry experts, producers, coaches, etc to work with the contestants coming off Idol. The powers that be invested a lot in JD during the season and have every reason to keep working with him to produce a marketable product. Therefore, JD has PLENTY of advice from experts. Why did he take to twitter and target a "pop/electro" former Idol turned successful star for advice? I'm not drinking this kool-aid. This was not about needed advice, this was about trying to stir up some attention and visibility.
Real life can be a brutal challenge for people who are disabled, or differently abled. Still, real life is where they ultimately have to succeed. And they need the tools, the craft, the ability to do what they set as a goal for themselves. They also need to use the advice of the experts they have available. JD already has that advice, and doesn't need Adam to tell him what he has already been told.
IMO, YMMV, EIEIO.
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Post by adamrocks on Jun 6, 2011 10:11:52 GMT -5
Well as much a I don't care for JD, if the Powers-in-Charge think they can make a buck on him, he will be signed and pushed. Look at the problems Chris Brown has had . It's all about the almighty $$$ and if they feel he might be marketable and has a fan base, he will get a record deal. WIll I be buying, HELL NO. NEgative news always gets attentions so maybe its markating strategy for atention since Only the top 3 are been in the news. Well, if JD wants some 'attention' why doesn't he throw his tweets Daugherty's way....since that's his hero? Didn't he tweet something about him last night after his Adam tweet episode? Has Daugherty responded to him.....I guessing...probably NOT.  I don't mean to sound harsh but I think this whole thing last night put Adam in an uncomfortable and unnecessary situation. JD could have approached Adam through different channels. JMO |
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Post by keyboard on Jun 6, 2011 10:11:53 GMT -5
I don't want to sound heartless, but if he was smart enough to trash talk Adam and reach out to all the metal dudes to be on his side, he is not that helpless or naive. The sympathy card is fine, and I have no wish to see JD fail, well, not more than enough to prove a point, but arrogance and snide remarks about other artists, Gaga, are unacceptable. I hope he does get help, but along with musical advice, he needs to be counseled on basic human interaction. I know plenty of people with autism related conditions from aspergers to apraxia and by the time they are JD's age, they have learned to manage it. James has been out in the world, performed with a band, has a girlfriend and a child, so I'm not buying the "don't be mean to poor James because he can't help it" story. JMHOI know I'm spamming and I'll try to stop, but no guarantees. ITA with this so hard, Aspen. Especially the bolded part. And I'm late for work, so I'll try to be quick. Yes, this situation (although funnier that shit – OMG, we were ROLLING); if I could order the evening on a DVD, I would and would watch it any time I needed a laugh. I do feel bad for James and had tons of second-hand embarrassment for him last night, but he proved he should not be allowed to run amok on social media. I've written many stories and Aspies and the training they take to "learn" social cues and they are also educated about seeking out when the are confused if certain things are acceptable or not. Most I know of would err on the side of caution. James entered into this willfully. He wanted to become a public persona. No one gets a free pass in life. What bothered me most about this whole exchange was the way it puts Adam between a rock and a hard place. When you extend a direct public invitation to someone when it's a tenuous situation, you take away their choice in the matter. It's controlling behavior that borders on bullying, IMO. I always get a little uncomfortable when I see these grandiose public marriage proposals. I feel for the one being proposed to because they've just been put in an impossible, potentially humiliating situation that was sprung on them out of the blue. I see those as an ego trip for the person proposing and the person being proposed to is blind-sided. Hey, sometimes it works out and it's beyond lovely, but other times. *cringe* James, whether it's his disability or his personality (after watching him all season, I tend to think it's the latter) – and also because I know of many Aspies who do not come off as buffoons in any way – can be a tad overbearing. He should have arranged this via many mutual channels. Extending this offer via Twitter was just awkward all the way around. Lots of great points, Susie. The trick in business interaction is not to ask a question you don't already know the answer to. Only the really brave - and perhaps foolhardy - put themselves and a loved one in a position to be embarrassed. One of the reasons I'm not a fan of standup comedy is too often I've seen performers fall flat on their faces and I want to crawl under the table for them. Same thing happens in music when a band plays and no one cares. I saw some discussion about that dynamic before Moscow. Would all fans be there to hear rock not pop, but Adam being Adam, tweaked just a little and sucked the fans into his performance. About James, as Annie said, "It's a hard knock life." You can't dish it out and be imprudent in your remarks in a public forum and expect it not to bite you in the ass. James came off Idol swinging and now he's learning that he's left himself open for a few well-deserved jabs. I don't think he's a bad person, just too full of himself and judgmental of other people and their choices. There is a delicate balance between confidence and humility and Adam is the poster child for that balance. James needs to take a lesson. |
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Post by rad1109 on Jun 6, 2011 10:13:55 GMT -5
I don't want to sound heartless, but if he was smart enough to trash talk Adam and reach out to all the metal dudes to be on his side, he is not that helpless or naive. The sympathy card is fine, and I have no wish to see JD fail, well, not more than enough to prove a point, but arrogance and snide remarks about other artists, Gaga, are unacceptable. I hope he does get help, but along with musical advice, he needs to be counseled on basic human interaction. I know plenty of people with autism related conditions from aspergers to apraxia and by the time they are JD's age, they have learned to manage it. James has been out in the world, performed with a band, has a girlfriend and a child, so I'm not buying the "don't be mean to poor James because he can't help it" story. JMHO I know I'm spamming and I'll try to stop, but no guarantees.  Yeah that....double |
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Post by Q3 on Jun 6, 2011 10:17:15 GMT -5
Regarding James --- I am not a fan or a hater --- pretty much impartial.
1. James has some issues to deal with but he is very intelligent.
2. He seems to lack some basic understanding of how to interact socially -- both face-to-face and on Twitter.
3. He is somewhat talented as a vocalist but that is not enough.
To be a successful recording artist, it is almost essential that you can connect with a large enough audience and you can handle promotion. If James is brilliant in concert (I doubt it but possible), he might be able to offset his lack of ability to handle PR by being a brilliant performer.
But I think he will struggle.
I am not sure what was in Adam's mind when he was Tweeting with James -- clearly he was at least having a bit of fun with it. But Adam will most likely meet with or at least speak with James in some way.
The tweets about Daughtry after the Adam Twitter interchange appear to have been for the benefit of JDs followers -- many of whom are not Adam fans and were bashing James on Twitter for tweeting JD.
Dee Snider is an Adam fan and I think that is what drew him into that discussion. He has said positive things about Adam in the past.
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Post by maria222pf on Jun 6, 2011 10:17:59 GMT -5
Thank you Susie and Keyboard and cassie and adamrocks , Exactly!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2011 10:24:11 GMT -5
^^^ PERFECT!!!! ^^^ 
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Post by wal on Jun 6, 2011 10:30:09 GMT -5
Really?
mindchnger mindchnger
oh shit, Sauli has twitter now
4 minutes ago
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