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Post by 3ku1 on Nov 9, 2016 20:45:19 GMT -5
That's no shock that is NYC, Hillary is a senate their. I am very surprised at the result, but then again I am not. HeWhoCannot amed won, because he resonated with white, working class, middle america. Who were clearly sick of the status quo that been going on for decades. Diddn't fit in the system. So they stood up and spoke. Hence the results. So despite HeWhoCannot amed being the most questionanbly, morally, awful human being that has ever existed. His message clearly got to people. Some ppl may have just lied, and said I am voting Hillary, because conciousley that is the right thing ot say. But clearly sub conciousley, they were you know I agree with HeWhoCannot amed. This country does need change. The fact your country would rather take an expierement like HeWhoCannot amed, over such an outstanding candidate in Hillary. Who was the most qualified to be president of all time. WOW. So basically the reality is, America is now run by White, Middle Class, Working People. Well HeWhoCannot amed seems to have experience around him, people who have been in politics longer then he has. Well see what happens now. I would of voted Hillary.
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Post by happy on Nov 9, 2016 21:08:08 GMT -5
Of interest, HeWhoCannot amed has 4000 law suits against him. 75 are fairly big. The ones that concern me are the rape charge of a 13 year old, the child trafficking thru his model agency, HeWhoCannot amed university and misuse of funds from his foundation and the sexual harassment suits. Of even bigger concern, is the fact he has many businesses and says he will hand over the operation to his children. This is a major red flag to me as he has global dealings and many with Russian oligarchs and North Korean suppliers, that even if his children operated his companies, he would have input into day to day operations. So they all need to be put into a blind trust where no one of the family has access to them that policy decisions could make him a richer man, or put the United States in contentious positions with other countries. I hope someone is watching over this to protect us. My DH has a theory that HeWhoCannot amed ran for President so he could wiggle out of those lawsuits. We'll see what happens.
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Post by adamme on Nov 9, 2016 21:15:30 GMT -5
This protest bring backs sad/bad memory. Though I feel much better now. All day today I was on denial and couldn't believe it. I still cannot believe American's throwing away a person that's willing to work for them to build a better economy and life for them. Instead they picked an Authoritarian. As someone that had lived under an authoritarian leader for years and years of my live, I can tell you America will hate it. And so sad to find out that a lot of women at work voted for a guy who doesn't have plan. I cannot wrap my head/mind around it.
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Post by adamme on Nov 9, 2016 21:19:41 GMT -5
Of interest, HeWhoCannot amed has 4000 law suits against him. 75 are fairly big. The ones that concern me are the rape charge of a 13 year old, the child trafficking thru his model agency, HeWhoCannot amed university and misuse of funds from his foundation and the sexual harassment suits. Of even bigger concern, is the fact he has many businesses and says he will hand over the operation to his children. This is a major red flag to me as he has global dealings and many with Russian oligarchs and North Korean suppliers, that even if his children operated his companies, he would have input into day to day operations. So they all need to be put into a blind trust where no one of the family has access to them that policy decisions could make him a richer man, or put the United States in contentious positions with other countries. I hope someone is watching over this to protect us. My DH has a theory that HeWhoCannot amed ran for President so he could wiggle out of those lawsuits. We'll see what happens. What I'm afraid is he will use the new power to punish people that have humiliated him. But then again there's that thing called Karma.
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Post by adamme on Nov 9, 2016 21:23:46 GMT -5
Just my random thoughts.... We survived Nixon. I met Nixon once. I looked into his eyes. He was an evil man. I know a lot about Nixon. He was a much more dangerous man than Donald HeWhoCannot amed can even imagine. Thankfully, we have a Constitution with checks and balances. They have allow us to survive incompetence and evilness. It will carry us through even this -- whatever it is. You may say I am a dreamer but honestly we have distributed power and a President's power is limited, balanced. But the same party holds all those power now, executive, senates and what happen when RG gets the Attorney General position.
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Post by Jablea on Nov 9, 2016 22:29:00 GMT -5
Me too. I hardly want to go outside for fear that those hate-mongerers (sp?) are going to see me and attack. who would have thought that america could come to this? An American friend of mine and his wife have a small shop in the central plaza in my small village in Mexico,. Lived here for years, employed Mexicans and had good relationships when they owned a restaurant and now a tshirt shop. Today the owner of the neighboring shop yelled at him, lots of four letter words and said that all "us Americans should get the f*** out of Mexico and go home." I retired here 19 years ago with my late husband, have a gay employee all of that time who works for me 5 days a week. The peso is tanking and who knows what lays ahead for Mexico. Before that the two of us lived in Saudi Arabia.... So that's three groups that HeWhoCannot amed doesn't like. All of those folks in many countries have enriched my life and made me a better person. If HeWhoCannot amed has worthwhile ideas, fine and good but otherwise he has a long way to go to earn respect and support. Both of you stay safe. I think we all will need a lot of group therapy, so thankful for everyone here. Save
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Post by momtomany on Nov 9, 2016 23:37:27 GMT -5
Our President-Elect was congratulated by David Duke, head of the Ku Klux Klan, last night.
Tomorrow, President Obama will welcome HeWhoCannot amed into the Oval Office and begin the formalities of the transfer of power in our great nation. In my imagination - always too lively - I would hope for a script by Shakespeare and Quentin Tarantino.
Our governmental system of checks and balances will give HeWhoCannot amed this: Executive power - if HeWhoCannot amed were to be prosecuted and impeached for any of the allegations against him, his successor would be *&@^#. The wolf in sheep's clothing. We're in trouble here. Legislative power - a Republican House and Senate Judicial power - he will appoint the upcoming Supreme Court Justice(s)
This person who 'grabs pussy', hasn't paid a dime in federal taxes in 20 years, has declared bankruptcy numerous times, had numerous wives, has stiffed workers in his failed business ventures, has utilized every capitalist loophole in our sad, unfair tax system, who watched beauty contest contestants dress and undress 'because he could', who disparages immigrants and disabled and LGBT members of our society, will have the opportunity to shape the future of the United States of America in ways no individual citizen can. He wants to build a wall. I'm old enough to remember Berlin.
Last night, our national investment stock futures were taking a dive. Now they've been the first to recover. Ah - we can get back to burning coal. We can build that pipeline that brings oil through the heartland of America. It will forever maim our landscape, but it will create jobs and energy. I'm ignorant about so much of what is killing America. My son was in North Dakota last year, and came home with tales of 'fracking' - and how it's turned a prairie landscape into a horror. North Dakota voted for HeWhoCannot amed. Why? I don't understand. One thing I know. The rich will get richer.
Yesterday, we had the opportunity to elect a person who has spent her entire adult life in public service. Perhaps that was her undoing. She was part of a political machine that is stuck in the mud, and she couldn't free herself from the association of past administrations. Understandably! She had the tools and the insight to bring us from the quagmire, but now will be unable to use them.
I'm not shedding tears. I'm not quaking in my boots. I'm not numb. I'm just so very sad. Sickenly sad. I'll allow myself this day. Maybe learn.
Inspiration will grow in me because it's always found a way through my veins. It's what I need right now, and my soul will find it - in mundane and simple ways. Maybe as I walk through a parking lot; maybe as I search for a book in the library; maybe as I find shoes that fit; maybe as I pick up a loaf of bread at the farmer's market; maybe as I walk through falling leaves without picking up the rake.
I refuse not to believe - in myself, in my children, in my neighbors, in my coworkers, in my community, in my beautiful California, in my country. We will find a way. Even if it means beginning, again. After all, we are pilgrims; we are all immigrants. "Give me your tired, your poor. Your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send them, the golden, tempest-tost to me . . . " I want to remember and be inspired, still, by these words, engraved on the Statue of Liberty.
HeWhoCannot amed will, I'm certain, appoint a Cabinet more fitting for his gilded sitting room than for the working class that elected him. When 'reality' sets in - for both our new President and disaffected middle Americans - the stew will begin to cook. I'm afraid the taste will be bitter.
I'm grateful Q3 allowed us this day, this forum, to speak what is in our hearts. Today - now yesterday - was not about Adam. It was US. It is us, and for all the years since 2009, when my journey began, we've been together at concerts, spoken outloud about hairstyles, fashion, song choices . . . we've shared tables, meet&greet lines, the intimacy of first rows and close ups. Today, I realize that even music can't unite the fundamental 'me' with our President-Elect or his supporters.
Enough. Over and out for awhile.
Tonight people are protesting. "He's not MY President!" We should have been doing this weeks, months, ago. I should have been doing this weeks, months, ago. But I didn't think this outcome would happen. So, now I'm paying the price; thinking my vote would be enough.
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Post by ceecee on Nov 10, 2016 0:00:25 GMT -5
Just my random thoughts.... We survived Nixon. I met Nixon once. I looked into his eyes. He was an evil man. I know a lot about Nixon. He was a much more dangerous man than Donald HeWhoCannot amed can even imagine. Thankfully, we have a Constitution with checks and balances. They have allow us to survive incompetence and evilness. It will carry us through even this -- whatever it is. You may say I am a dreamer but honestly we have distributed power and a President's power is limited, balanced. But the same party holds all those power now, executive, senates and what happen when RG gets the Attorney General position.
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Post by Q3 on Nov 10, 2016 0:14:58 GMT -5
Just my random thoughts.... We survived Nixon. I met Nixon once. I looked into his eyes. He was an evil man. I know a lot about Nixon. He was a much more dangerous man than Donald HeWhoCannot amed can even imagine. Thankfully, we have a Constitution with checks and balances. They have allow us to survive incompetence and evilness. It will carry us through even this -- whatever it is. You may say I am a dreamer but honestly we have distributed power and a President's power is limited, balanced. But the same party holds all those power now, executive, senates and what happen when RG gets the Attorney General position. ETA: He wants Chris Christie not Rudy Guilliani to be AG. I don't know if the Senate will approve Chris "Bridgegate" Christie as AG now, so HeWhoCannot amed will have to find something else for him to do. **** Donald HeWhoCannot amed really does not have the same agenda as the Republicans in Congress. There is no chance they will pass most of the wacky stuff he talks about. And he can't do it alone. Yes, there are some things that will happen that will not make Progressives and Democrats happy -- like a conservative appointed to the Supreme Court. **** I am not will to get upset over things that have not happened yet. But I am not optimistic that we can fix anything because we can't even talk about issues. And that has nothing to do with HeWhoCannot amed. Let me pick one issue that is really sensitive -- Illegal Immigration. We can't even agree on what to call it. The people who support deporting illegal immigrants, show gang members and drug dealers pouring into the country. The people who advocate for illegal immigrants show young American children of illegal immigrant parents. Neither is a representative picture of the issue. This is a hugely complex issue -- and no one seems to really want to fix it. According to Pew Research 5% of the US Workforce are unauthorized workers -- i.e. illegal immigrants -- that is 8 million of the around 11 million illegal immigrants in the US -- mostly from Mexico and Central America. Over half have been here for over a decade. [For comparison it is <0.1% in Germany.] To date, there has been a series of ineffective efforts to get control over the immigration system. President Bush deported 2 million people, President Obama has deported almost 3 million people from the US. But the number of illegal immigrants remains about the same. Mostly, we deport people who commit a crime. In 2015, for example, 91% of people who were deported had committed a crime. There are estimates that about half of the people who are deported, return. If the US started to focus on Illegal Employment instead of Illegal Immigration, I mean punishing the employers who violate the law. I bet a lot of this would stop. But the people who hire these underpaid workers don't want to pay more. And the illegal immigrants want the work/pay. And the advocates for the illegal immigrants don't want them to lose their jobs. I would fix the immigration and visa systems (no wall needed, just data), increase the number of legal immigrants, create a path to legal status for the non-criminals illegal immigrants, enforce our visa laws and stop the visa overstays (mostly Canadians and Europeans), and then enforce the immigration laws humanly but accurately. And yes, that means I would deport a criminal illegal immigrant who is the parent of an American child. {off my soapbox}
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Post by lorraine on Nov 10, 2016 2:53:16 GMT -5
Re: Q3 your Random Thoughts comment {Nixon and HeWhoCannot amed} I don't know if Richard Nixon was evil or not---I didn't look into his eyes. To me, he seemed like a terribly insecure, paranoid man who resorted to desperate measures--Watergate, et al, to get what he wanted. The difference, for me between the 1968 election,{of which I couldn't partake because I wasn't old enough to vote} and especially the following one in 1972, was that many of American people, especially in his reelection in 1972, voted in response to his statement that he had a "secret plan" to end the Viet Nam war and of course we know how that turned out. Consequently, I didn't feel this sense of sadness and shame that I now feel,knowing that so many of my fellow citizens deliberately voted for a person who has said such despicable things about so many individuals. I felt a small sense of comfort this morning after listening to President Obama's speech on the steps of the White House, as he dressed a nation in grief, urging us to carry on and keep an open mind--as he helps in the transition of government.I had to answer my little grandson this morning when he greeted me with,"Grammie, will our country be okay?" I answered with a smile of reassurance," Of course, honey." Because that's what grandmas do. Our children certainly deserve better than this. Thank you, Q3 for giving us this forum to exchange our thoughts-even in times of disenchantment. And willis--thank you for your response. As I told my little one this morning, we will carry on and LOVE WILL ALWAYS TRIUMPH OVER HATE.
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