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Post by lorraine on Nov 10, 2016 3:05:19 GMT -5
Just my random thoughts.... We survived Nixon. I met Nixon once. I looked into his eyes. He was an evil man. I know a lot about Nixon. He was a much more dangerous man than Donald HeWhoCannot amed can even imagine. Thankfully, we have a Constitution with checks and balances. They have allow us to survive incompetence and evilness. It will carry us through even this -- whatever it is. You may say I am a dreamer but honestly we have distributed power and a President's power is limited, balanced. Please see my response to your comments at the end of 8 Nov. thread------
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Post by LindaG23 on Nov 10, 2016 10:06:34 GMT -5
I feel your pain, I'm right along side of you. I wish I was asleep and this is a bad dream I'm having, when I wake up the world will be right again. Can't look at him either. I for one am tired of all the HeWhoCannot amed bashing this site. People need to grow up, we live in a Democratic society, we had a Democratic vote and Donald HeWhoCannot amed won. Like momtomany said in response, I am a grown-up too. There is no need to really bash HeWhoCannot amed, just repeat his words and actually hear them and he bashes himself and makes a mockery of what America is. It's not about winning or losing, I live in Texas and my candidates lose all the time. I don't like the conservative politics in Texas, but it is essentially honest. In 2004 when Bush won re-election, I was unhappy to say the least but as totally and tragically misguided as I felt he was, I never really doubted that he had America's best interest at heart. However, I have never been as devastated as I am about HeWhoCannot amed. The only thing HeWhoCannot amed really cares about is HeWhoCannot amed, his whole life proves that. I woke up again in the middle of the night last night and realized it was grief, pure and simple. Grief for America, even grief for myself. My son has often said that I am a Pollyanna, believing in good despite what he thinks is evidence to the contrary, but I didn't care because I believed in the honesty of the American people and collectively their ability to discern the difference right and wrong, bullshit and bravery. Not any more. I grieve for my loss of faith in Americans. HeWhoCannot amed is a travesty and if this is what America stands for, I am not sure yet how to go forward. So don't make it about winning or losing, that's crass. That's all I have now...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 11:08:36 GMT -5
Linda, I love your post! You said what is in my heart! ❤️❤️ I grieve for the America I apparently saw wrong. Last night's protests helped a bit. Hillary winning the popular vote helps a lot.
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Post by bamafan on Nov 10, 2016 12:08:06 GMT -5
I realize I'm in the minority here....have been over the past 7 years. Progressives have the biggest hearts. You all, like Adam, are intelligent, often creative and idealistic ....so you see and feel things differently than the other half of the country. I always thought HeWhoCannot amed might win this. but still thought Hillary would pull off a tight win.....mainly because of the Democratic ground game and all their raised money and in spite of their flawed candidate. Both candidates were flawed. The HeWhoCannot amed base was enthusiatic, the Hillary base was not. The HeWhoCannot amed supporters never took him literally when he said stupid things, but they did take him seriously and they knew the only way to put up a fight was in the turn out at the polls. Folks were angry at the ruling class, the corruption and collusion of the political class and the stagnation and lack of economic advancement of the underclass. There were almost no HeWhoCannot amed signs in my town, but I knew that almost everybody would be voting for HeWhoCannot amed...and they did...for various reasons....all anti the status quo. Seems like to me, the "heartbreak" on the left is because they didn't even consider the possibility that HeWhoCannot amed could possibly win....so they were in "shock". The media missed the possibility as did the pollsters. Part of that is because the elites reside in the east and west coast bubble. When you're so shocked, you're out of touch with the American voter.
My feeling is let's wait and see how things go. I'm a fiscal conservative....so I'm concerned about the spending and the obscene national debt, etc. To me HeWhoCannot amed is a mixed bag. He promised the evangelicals the court and the lower and middle class better jobs and business more breaks/incentives. I think he'll make deals...if he's smart. He wants to fix things and get things done....and he's not very patient...so I see lots of spending upfront. It'll be interesting to see how he behaves and what all he does during his first 100 days. It is what it is....at least for 4 years. There are remedies if he runs off the rails.
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Post by taumbu on Nov 10, 2016 12:32:35 GMT -5
I appreciate your point of view and opinions on why HeWhoCannot amed was elected. But he did not receive the popular vote, Hillary did. And the point I think you're missing is, he just isn't qualified. He is also racist, bigoted, vengeful treats women and disabled people with disdain. He's supported by the KKK. He's a bully. Teachers all around the country are seeing their kids acting out on their fellow students. I could go on and on. That is why so many of us are in despair. Will we survive this? Sure. But not without consequences that could take this great country to a very bad place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 13:28:24 GMT -5
Electoral college system proves to be a disaster once again. It is destroying the country.... I wouldn't say the electoral college is destroying the country. I would just say it is outdated and needs to be changed. I get the reasoning behind our forefathers establishing it. But it's time to change it. Bama, if HeWhoCannot amed were a normal republican, I might agree with most of your post. But he isn't and I can't! Great post, taumbu
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Post by ksha518 on Nov 10, 2016 13:55:06 GMT -5
Electoral college system proves to be a disaster once again. It is destroying the country.... I wouldn't say the electoral college is destroying the country. I would just say it is outdated and needs to be changed. I get the reasoning behind our forefathers establishing it. But it's time to change it. Bama, if HeWhoCannot amed were a normal republican, I might agree with most of your post. But he isn't and I can't! Great post, taumbu I was a reluctant Hillary supporter, but she really won me over during the campaign. I actually felt very emotional when I got to the voting booth. But I also think part of my emotion was a reaction to not only the ending of such an unbelievably horrible campaign, but a foreboding that HeWhoCannot amed could win. I live in the bluest part of a reliably blue state (which remained blue), but there were HeWhoCannot amed signs everywhere. The "enthusiasm gap" was real. I am a major Obama (and Biden) fan, who has been completely horrified by HeWhoCannot amed and disgusted with much of the obstructionist Republican party. If HeWhoCannot amed had won the popular vote and not the electoral college, I doubt he would have silently accepted the result. My heart is with the many protesters who are making their voices heard across the country. HOWEVER, I am grateful for Obama's dignity and generosity in the transition process. I think there are many of us who have despised HeWhoCannot amed (and the creepy aides and advisors he has surrounded himself with, frankly), who nevertheless feel we must force ourselves to hope for his success. Because I don't want the country, or the world, to fall apart. I watched part of the comments made by Obama and HeWhoCannot amed after their meeting this morning. I am happy for the civility, but there certainly was (for me) a stark contrast as I listened to their remarks. HeWhoCannot amed is so unprepared for this, I almost feel bad for him. And I will miss, desperately, having an articulate president.
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Post by bamafan on Nov 10, 2016 13:58:29 GMT -5
I appreciate your point of view and opinions on why HeWhoCannot amed was elected. But he did not receive the popular vote, Hillary did. And the point I think you're missing is, he just isn't qualified. He is also racist, bigoted, vengeful treats women and disabled people with disdain. He's supported by the KKK. He's a bully. Teachers all around the country are seeing their kids acting out on their fellow students. I could go on and on. That is why so many of us are in despair. Will we survive this? Sure. But not without consequences that could take this great country to a very bad place. Electoral votes matter. Elections have consequences and remedies with the next elections. There is a pendulum in this country and it swings back and forth. As far as being qualified, I feel a businessman is just as qualified as a former political activist. I'll concede his personality flaws, but I'm hopeful he'll mature into his new role. Time will tell. In the meantime....you're entitled to your despair. I was only trying to express the how and why he was elected from an old lady Southern point of view.
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Post by ceecee on Nov 10, 2016 14:02:38 GMT -5
I agree with everything Bamafan said. As for Donald HeWhoCannot amed being qualified, no he has never held public office, but I view that as a good thing he comes in with a clean slate owing nothing to any of the Washington insiders. He will appoint experienced qualified people to his cabinet who will provide him with the information he needs to make a decision. He is a smart energetic man who isn't afraid to make a decision and I believe he wants to make changes that will help all American's prosper. As far as being a racist, I view Obama as the most racist President we have had in modern history. He has left this Country in a racially divided turmoil. I am a college educated white woman and business owner. Obama has made owning a small business very difficult with all of his heavy handed regulations and let's not forget the excessive cost of Obamacare. I had thirteen employees and during the Obama years I have had to terminate five of them. When you own a small business your employees become family and laying someone off is like picking which child you would like to see go. All of this while I see public sector workers getting raises and not missing a beat. Frankly I'm ready to have someone in office who wants to grow all of the economy not just the government.
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Post by ksha518 on Nov 10, 2016 14:06:01 GMT -5
I have to add, I am devastated at the SCOTUS situation. I hate the politicization of the Supreme Court, and would have been happy to have neutral/moderate Garland confirmed. But now the people who stonewalled the normal process are being rewarded for their obstruction, and we are likely to have a conservative court for the rest of my lifetime. I am sick about what this could mean for Roe vs Wade, marriage equality, and other issues.
ETA: whoops, I feel like I suddenly landed in the wrong part of the conversation. I appreciate everyone's views and I know that everyone's reality and perspective is different, although the vitriol toward Obama and Clinton is kind of breathtaking to me. I realize that people probably think HeWhoCannot amed is on the receiving end of the same vitriol, but to me it seems so justified. I am hoping for the best in that I do think HeWhoCannot amed is actually, potentially, more moderate than some of his advisors, and maybe he will surround himself with a more diverse, and experienced, group of people than he did during the campaign. But, in my opinion, he needs to "grow up" fast and realize that it's not all about him, he doesn't know everything, and he can't retaliate against every slight.
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