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Post by nica575 on Jun 30, 2017 18:44:34 GMT -5
I think that we have to catch up with how music is consumed these days. Personally I don't know anyone who even buys singles from iTunes , let alone an album. They all use Spotify to stream. Why buy when you have access through streaming? Also, no one in my family listens to radio. They stream their music. We might have to let go of our traditional idea of a song promoted to radio that is the lead to an album. How old are you? I'd bet way younger than me. All of my friends, in their 60's, do not ever stream music! I've even volunteered to put mp3 files on their smartphones and no one is interested. They are doing good to play CDs. Lord help us when they buy new cars with no CD players! As for myself, I am very high tech, but I only occasionally play music from Spotify. When audio quality doesn't matter, I buy the CD from Amazon which has an instant auto-rip mp3 download that is included with many physical CDs. Mostly I want higher quality audio than streaming allows and mp3 files provide, so I mostly buy albums, convert to high quality digital files, and downloaded to a large capacity SD card in a smartphone. Or I buy & download high quality audio files directly from an online music store that sells high def music. luckily the target audience is not in their 60s in my little world i.e. my kids+friends - the only way music is consumed is from streaming, mainly via anything that streams for free - Spotify and especially Soundcloud. iTunes is a long forgotten concept...radio doesn't exist here, but that's because there are no cars to drive ...I understand the rest of the country is different as far as radio is concerned...
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Post by csquared on Jun 30, 2017 18:48:07 GMT -5
See, I don't think this is what happened at all. I think wbr gave Adam the choice of what he wanted to do (and that is a great luxury and I am grateful that he has that choice). The resulting conversation went something like this: you can either ask us to give you producers who write radio hits, because radio hits is what they do, and you sing what you guys come up with together, and then we promote to radio using the producer's credentials to get the music through the door... or you write the lyrics 'two fux' to a slow waltz, because that is what your artist's heart dreams up, and then you can do that, but those producers don't want to write slow waltzes or flamingo lyrics and they are not on board then. And Adam said, I want the flamingos. And if you ask me why I am a fan of Adam, then it has never been for the chart topper, it has been for this butterfly that dares to fly freely where everyone else tells him he can't or shouldn't, and yet, he has found a way past all the walls and fences that society has put in his way. He has found a way to fame without the chart toppers that others need to be in the public eye and have a social influence. And I am sooooo happy for him! :/ Bye, Bye WBR. Album decisions and everything that goes with it are made by the artist, management and label. Initially MM was going to be involved with album #2. Getting MM back on board for TOH and album#2 was arranged by DMG. My bet is the label suits at WBR crunched some numbers and decided it wasn't feasible or very profitable to spend a big budget on Adamfor album #2. MM is very expensive and knowing the label wasn't going to be fully behind Adam would take MM out of the picture and Adam going with much cheaper writers. MM also guarantees in writing that his songs would be the first singles promoted to radio and pushing a song to pop radio is minimum $1million. That's exactly what happened. Adam really had no idea when he was going to release single/album other than he hoped to be soon and there was no talk about an August single release either. That was all fans speculations. According to recent interview Adam let Brian and Roger listen to TFux and Brian offered to include it in the set. This gave WB the opportunity to take advantage by releasing TFux so quickly and unexpectedly. TFux is not a radio single. Adam can't sing this on tv. They will most likely focus on streaming by having the song on many Spotify playlists. Print, interviews, social media, performing it live on tour is all we are going to get. WBR gave Adam a choice all right. The conversation went like this: We won't be funding a full album but we will do singles only and see what happens. If the songs take off ( which will be no more than 2 singles) we can than consider putting out an EP ( which Alisan hinted at) As for Ryan Tedder. Ryan is a writer and producer for big artists for many labels. Ryan has the luxury to do whatever he wants. He can sit on his butt and just collect royalties and not ever have to put out an album. Other than that the only artists that get the single releases only treatment are artists that are just starting out or artists that the label see as not making a profit on and/or not selling singles/albums and very little radio play. Just like RCA Adam is getting setup to fail. They'll claim they tried without really trying and than drop him. As for Adam you don't get that "I don't give Two Fux" attitude unless things are not going rosy and the "there are several more track releases planned" means nothing. There is a bright side tho. Adam is now open to doing a Queen album if the boys are willing. So you know all this for a fact? It's not just speculation like everyone else has been doing? Good to know someone has all this inside information. :/
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Post by EmoElvisSpikeyMessyElvis on Jun 30, 2017 18:50:02 GMT -5
It's times like this that I really miss the chat room! >:D Just scroll, folks. Don't feed them (plural)! Lol Eta: I call it, "roll 'n scroll." As in, giving a wicked eye-roll and scrolling with a quickness. LMAO!!!
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Post by Daenerys on Jun 30, 2017 18:50:08 GMT -5
I believe we are all in agreement that purchasing music is declining and that streaming is key, I have said that over and over as have others here. The ouch though is that sales on immediate release are at least somewhat of an indicator of the size, excitement, and involvement of the immediate fan base. This number, if accurate, is substantially smaller that I would have expected. These are however only US numbers. See: www.digitalsalesdata.com/diydsd.php?Region=143441Worldwide he sold more. And it's an indication. Actual sales numbers are not available. Top seller has way more, but to get into top 30 he only needs 1500 more sales. It's not even out 24 hours yet. From the website: Since actual sales figures are no longer available, the following figures have been generated by a statistical model. Exactly. Streaming is where it's at for pop/rap artists but actual sales is an indicator of the size of his hardcore fanbase. No matter how good/crappy a song is hardcore fans buy, buy, buy. International sales are just as important but Adam is an American. US radio/sales drives international radio/sales and no matter how much he sells internationally combined it won't be more than his US sales. I just checked allaccess and I don't see that the song has been serviced to radio yet. The song is not available for PDs to download it. One way for fans to help Adam is to go join a real music board where 1000s of pop fans hangout. Adam gets threads made but there is very little discussions. He gets a lot of views which indicates to me that posters are at least somewhat interested but if there is little activity the assumption is that he has no fans or interest in him. Adam is pretty likable on these sites so if they see activity they are more likely to join in and like dominos posters who never care to bother will want to see what all the comments are about. You be surprise how people become fans of artists they had no interest in before. I've seen it happen many times.
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Post by nica575 on Jun 30, 2017 18:53:37 GMT -5
These are however only US numbers. See: www.digitalsalesdata.com/diydsd.php?Region=143441Worldwide he sold more. And it's an indication. Actual sales numbers are not available. Top seller has way more, but to get into top 30 he only needs 1500 more sales. It's not even out 24 hours yet. From the website: Since actual sales figures are no longer available, the following figures have been generated by a statistical model. Exactly. Streaming is where it's at for pop/rap artists but actual sales is an indicator of the size of his hardcore fanbase. No matter how good/crappy a song is hardcore fans buy, buy, buy. International sales are just as important but Adam is an American. US radio/sales drives international radio/sales and no matter how much he sells internationally combined it won't be more than his US sales. I just checked allaccess and I don't see that the song has been serviced to radio yet. The song is not available for PDs to download it. One way for fans to help Adam is to go join a real music board where 1000s of pop fans hangout. Adam gets threads made but there is very little discussions. He gets a lot of views which indicates to me that posters are at least somewhat interested but if there is little activity the assumption is that he has no fans or interest in him. Adam is pretty likable on these sites so if they see activity they are more likely to join in and like dominos posters who never care to bother will want to see what all the comments are about. You be surprise how people become fans of artists they had no interest in before. I've seen it happen many times.
Could you post a link to a "real music board where 1000s of pop fans hangout" please? I'd love to check it out. TY in advance
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Post by seoulmate on Jun 30, 2017 18:58:28 GMT -5
Never saw any of MMs team mentioned in the process or in tweets and IGs we have seen. IMO, Max never happened. Adam just changed direction! And I'm VERY HAPPY he did!! (change direction, that is, if that's what happened) I was never ever happy with the idea of MM producing again.
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Post by skaschep on Jun 30, 2017 18:59:10 GMT -5
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Post by skaschep on Jun 30, 2017 19:01:55 GMT -5
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Post by skaschep on Jun 30, 2017 19:02:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 19:03:23 GMT -5
See, I don't think this is what happened at all. I think wbr gave Adam the choice of what he wanted to do (and that is a great luxury and I am grateful that he has that choice). The resulting conversation went something like this: you can either ask us to give you producers who write radio hits, because radio hits is what they do, and you sing what you guys come up with together, and then we promote to radio using the producer's credentials to get the music through the door... or you write the lyrics 'two fux' to a slow waltz, because that is what your artist's heart dreams up, and then you can do that, but those producers don't want to write slow waltzes or flamingo lyrics and they are not on board then. And Adam said, I want the flamingos. And if you ask me why I am a fan of Adam, then it has never been for the chart topper, it has been for this butterfly that dares to fly freely where everyone else tells him he can't or shouldn't, and yet, he has found a way past all the walls and fences that society has put in his way. He has found a way to fame without the chart toppers that others need to be in the public eye and have a social influence. And I am sooooo happy for him! :/ Bye, Bye WBR. Album decisions and everything that goes with it are made by the artist, management and label. Initially MM was going to be involved with album #2. Getting MM back on board for TOH and album#2 was arranged by DMG. My bet is the label suits at WBR crunched some numbers and decided it wasn't feasible or very profitable to spend a big budget on Adamfor album #2. MM is very expensive and knowing the label wasn't going to be fully behind Adam would take MM out of the picture and Adam going with much cheaper writers. MM also guarantees in writing that his songs would be the first singles promoted to radio and pushing a song to pop radio is minimum $1million. That's exactly what happened. Adam really had no idea when he was going to release single/album other than he hoped to be soon and there was no talk about an August single release either. That was all fans speculations. According to recent interview Adam let Brian and Roger listen to TFux and Brian offered to include it in the set. This gave WB the opportunity to take advantage by releasing TFux so quickly and unexpectedly. TFux is not a radio single. Adam can't sing this on tv. They will most likely focus on streaming by having the song on many Spotify playlists. Print, interviews, social media, performing it live on tour is all we are going to get. WBR gave Adam a choice all right. The conversation went like this: We won't be funding a full album but we will do singles only and see what happens. If the songs take off ( which will be no more than 2 singles) we can than consider putting out an EP ( which Alisan hinted at) As for Ryan Tedder. Ryan is a writer and producer for big artists for many labels. Ryan has the luxury to do whatever he wants. He can sit on his butt and just collect royalties and not ever have to put out an album. Other than that the only artists that get the single releases only treatment are artists that are just starting out or artists that the label see as not making a profit on and/or not selling singles/albums and very little radio play. Just like RCA Adam is getting setup to fail. They'll claim they tried without really trying and than drop him. As for Adam you don't get that "I don't give Two Fux" attitude unless things are not going rosy and the "there are several more track releases planned" means nothing. There is a bright side tho. Adam is now open to doing a Queen album if the boys are willing. Oh my goodness! I had no idea you knew all the inner workings of Adam's business deals! Who knew?
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