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Post by lurleene on Sept 12, 2017 13:06:12 GMT -5
So did GaGa she went to see Queen and Adam and even went on stage with them and sang with Adam. Going forward,Whatever path he chooses or is chosen for him ,I think it will be an exciting ride ,isn't it always with our guy. As for myself ,I'm going to stop with my expectation level and just enjoy the journey .Living vicariously always has It's ups and downs.. Scott Borchetta has been to one or maybe two of Adam's shows. Also Kellie Pickler. Adam was Katy Perry's guest recently and her guest at the Elton John event a few years ago. And there have been several rockers at the QAL show cause they tweeted about them. Sam's gig was probably part contest and invited guests.The press sure considers Adam one of the worthy stars so he is not ignored where it really counts.
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Post by lurleene on Sept 12, 2017 13:20:08 GMT -5
Finally got to skim yesterday's thread and wanted to make the comment. As I remember someone in Atop who knows a lot about the music business once said that it takes about 1 million dollars to get a number one hit for somebody who already wasn't producing number one hits. And also that the money ultimately comes out of the artist's share of the profits. So you don't want to spend more money on promotion than what this song and/or album are going to make. So it's a very big gamble spending the money to promote the hell out of a song not knowing how much it will sell. And I would bet that Adam has some say so in how much of a gamble to take, after all it's his money they are gambling with. I suspect the biggest disagreements may be over which song to gamble on and promote. I'd love for somebody here who really knows the music business to give us their thoughts on this. But don't you have to spend money to make money? I don't think a #1 is the ultimate goal or necessary. But I believe most of the artists who have moved up to these arena tours are getting hits in the top 10 and that probably helps their album sales and bank accounts with the touring. But I don't know how it all works so they (including Adam) will have their priorities and make the decisions they need or want to make.
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Post by adamrocks on Sept 12, 2017 13:21:14 GMT -5
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Post by skaschep on Sept 12, 2017 13:23:42 GMT -5
PopCrush @popcrush Bruno Mars vs. Adam Lambert: Who rules as 2017's best dressed? Place your vote: trib.al/z6O5jyP #BestDressedKing17
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Post by girldrummer on Sept 12, 2017 13:24:29 GMT -5
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Post by girldrummer on Sept 12, 2017 13:38:30 GMT -5
So did GaGa she went to see Queen and Adam and even went on stage with them and sang with Adam. Going forward,Whatever path he chooses or is chosen for him ,I think it will be an exciting ride ,isn't it always with our guy. As for myself ,I'm going to stop with my expectation level and just enjoy the journey .Living vicariously always has It's ups and downs.. Scott Borchetta has been to one or maybe two of Adam's shows. Also Kellie Pickler. Adam was Katy Perry's guest recently and her guest at the Elton John event a few years ago. And there have been several rockers at the QAL show cause they tweeted about them. Sam's gig was probably part contest and invited guests.The press sure considers Adam one of the worthy stars so he is not ignored where it really counts. I stand corrected that some big names have attended Adam's solo shows and QAL shows. Not a ton, but some. I guess it's probably true that most big stars don't have other big stars in their audiences all the time. Everyone is too busy with their own careers. I think sometimes we assume that all these celebrities are close friends with each other when they really aren't. Adam does get respect from other singers and deserves it, for sure. I like it when he is seen socializing with big names in the business. Puts him right where he should be.
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Post by marionm on Sept 12, 2017 13:52:14 GMT -5
off-off-topic (except that they were on Idol together) I revisited Kelly Clarksons emotional performance on Idol and out of interest I checked her discography...HOLLY CRAP that woman has been on a two year cycle!
Thanks to everyone who is filling this board with information. I LOVE to learn about the music industry! 1 million to promote a hit? and the artist pays back from his share?
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Post by rihannsu on Sept 12, 2017 14:09:51 GMT -5
Finally got to skim yesterday's thread and wanted to make the comment. As I remember someone in Atop who knows a lot about the music business once said that it takes about 1 million dollars to get a number one hit for somebody who already wasn't producing number one hits. And also that the money ultimately comes out of the artist's share of the profits. So you don't want to spend more money on promotion than what this song and/or album are going to make. So it's a very big gamble spending the money to promote the hell out of a song not knowing how much it will sell. And I would bet that Adam has some say so in how much of a gamble to take, after all it's his money they are gambling with. I suspect the biggest disagreements may be over which song to gamble on and promote. I'd love for somebody here who really knows the music business to give us their thoughts on this. But don't you have to spend money to make money? I don't think a #1 is the ultimate goal or necessary. But I believe most of the artists who have moved up to these arena tours are getting hits in the top 10 and that probably helps their album sales and bank accounts with the touring. But I don't know how it all works so they (including Adam) will have their priorities and make the decisions they need or want to make. Some of those artists also end up in massive debt to their labels. Having huge hits does not always equal making money as the label's accounting practices can be pretty questionable. I wouldn't assume that the label is not supporting Adam because what we as fans see is maybe 10% of the story.
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Post by Q3 on Sept 12, 2017 14:16:04 GMT -5
Finally got to skim yesterday's thread and wanted to make the comment. As I remember someone in Atop who knows a lot about the music business once said that it takes about 1 million dollars to get a number one hit for somebody who already wasn't producing number one hits. And also that the money ultimately comes out of the artist's share of the profits. So you don't want to spend more money on promotion than what this song and/or album are going to make. So it's a very big gamble spending the money to promote the hell out of a song not knowing how much it will sell. And I would bet that Adam has some say so in how much of a gamble to take, after all it's his money they are gambling with. I suspect the biggest disagreements may be over which song to gamble on and promote. I'd love for somebody here who really knows the music business to give us their thoughts on this. But don't you have to spend money to make money? I don't think a #1 is the ultimate goal or necessary. But I believe most of the artists who have moved up to these arena tours are getting hits in the top 10 and that probably helps their album sales and bank accounts with the touring. But I don't know how it all works so they (including Adam) will have their priorities and make the decisions they need or want to make. Here is one very reliable article (from 2011) about the cost of a hit: www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/07/05/137530847/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-hit-songIt still gets quoted a lot -- but $1 million promo budget in 2011 is too low for 2017. It is more like $2 million now. But the principle remains the same, it costs a lot to market and promote a song. Just to fly an artist to 30 radio stations in the US and buy dinners ++ for the PDs and pay for radio station promo ads and events could be $1 million. And that does not include digital promo, YouTube, video production, press etc. **** The days of using promo dollars to force a song to #1 are pretty much over. It could be done in the past, but not so much now. This is due to many changing forces in the music business -- the transparency of iTunes sales, streaming data (particularly Spotify and YouTube), and personal people meter radio ratings. Sam Smith is selling on iTunes and getting a lot of airplay because people like his music and what to own/hear it -- and his large fanbase did not have new music for a while. His music fits a lot of radio station playlists and appeals to the audience a lot of advertisers want. Very few artists are as well positioned as he is. **** There is often a lot of discussion about how an artist's label spent $1 - $3 million to promote and song and that is why it got airplay and sold. And I can find examples of that from 2009-2012. But it is not the only requirement because there are also examples of songs that had major promo dollars behind them that were not hits and did not get played. In the end, even in 2001, people had to like a song for it to be a big hit, and a program director needed to be convinced that their target audience wanted to hear a song on the radio. Yes, it is easier to get radio airplay and sell music if you have money for promotion, and almost essential for a new artist to have a major label to break into mainstream pop -- but still the vast majority of major label, promoted pop singles are not hits and most get little to no airplay. **** Adam apparently did not care "Two Fux" about releasing a radio hit when he picked his last single -- it clearly was a buzz single and by performing it at QAL concerts and promoting it online/streaming, it created some buzz. I think (based on what he has said) he also wanted something that made a statement -- about pride, individuality and creative expression -- and about who he is. **** I will wait until I hear his new music before I start to think about or evaluate the promo strategy. But one thing I am sure of, Adam is not Sam Smith. And Sam is not Adam. Aside from both being gay men who are nice, wear suits and sing, they have very little in common.
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Post by bamafan on Sept 12, 2017 14:31:28 GMT -5
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