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Post by mariep on Aug 21, 2011 10:38:10 GMT -5
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Post by cassie on Aug 21, 2011 10:38:15 GMT -5
Personally I think that the bedding is - hideous - creepy *ducks for rotten tomatoes* No rotten tomatoes. Just a melancholy sigh. The bedding reminds me of a kid's room. They have beds with spiderman, my little pony, race cars, hannah montana (well, not her any more, but whoever has taken her place) etc. Or it reminds me of my brother in law who has a room filled with Green Bay Packers memorabilia, cheeseheads and all. He also has an eight inch square of sod in his freezer. Yup, a piece of sod from the Packers' field. When they re-sodded the field, they sold pieces to fans, using the profits for charity. One can say it is "juvenile" or one can say it is refreshingly, impulsively, child-like and more people should embrace their inner child and proudly declare their passions.
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Post by midwifespal on Aug 21, 2011 10:43:17 GMT -5
*wryLOL* seeing all this (L)OUT stuff come back to the surface over the past coupla days makes me *feel ~feelings* . I think I'm over it and then I'm not. The thing most firmly guaranteed to make me NOT over it is to reread the interview, most particularly that last, heart-wrenching answer from Adam about doing the best he can, given, with eerie clairvoyance (or maybe just depressing realism), BEFORE the Hicklin letter was even written. I won't copy that answer here because it just sends me into such a tizzy that I don't think it would be good for the board . I'm generally pretty chill and slow to take offense at attacks on Adam: he's a big boy and a public figure and it's part of the game and not everyone's gonna be on board, some for perfectly legit reasons, and I get that. But folks, this one really pissed me off back in the day. (Which means I'm all ??? :-/ >:( about the "up to his old tricks, hope I'm wrong" stuff too.) I agree, Suzie--aside from the gutting, slap-in-that-beautiful-open-face aspect of the letter, the most galling, shocking part of it all was how damn unprofessional it was. I'm pretty familiar with the journalistic world, and there's a pretty damn clear understanding that these sorts of negotiations are "off the record," so to speak. That's to everyone's advantage, not just the celebs/subjects. That means everyone can act naturally and behave like human beings and not have their guard up all the time, which is a real boon to reporters and interviewers who otherwise have to break through layers and layers of protective shells. Obviously this interviewer got no such shells from Adam. The magazine also seemed to me to completely miss the point of what is so new and groundbreaking (and cause-advancing) about Adam (and, for example, about the Details photoshoot), which is that he is mainstream, that he does appeal to straight women (and straight men, for that matter), that he isn't just a movement hero but a legit pop star as well, and that he has achieved this "mainstream" success without in anyway toning down his sexuality (both in the sense of his "gayness" and in the sense of his aggressive sexiness) or his queerness (again, both in the sense of his "gayness" and his more general happiness to be bizarre and off-center). And he's not just a mainstream success--he's a mainstream sex-symbol--at once (to borrow from both Adam and Kathy Griffin at the EQ awards) "a weird fucking fag" and "a dreamboat." That's pretty groundbreaking progress if you ask me--entirely unprecedented. (But perhaps it is not progress of the kind that someone whose feelings about women are as transparent as "six-foot-Barbie" Hicklin's are has it in him to appreciate : >:() At the time, after I'd taken a few thousand calming breaths, I wrote a long, polite, angry email to Out (addressed to the journalist/interviewer, not to Hicklin per se), and was shocked to receive, within a few hours, a fairly long, detailed email back from Hicklin himself, addressing and acknowledging the strength of some of my complaints, doubling down (mostly unfortunately, sometimes fairly) on a couple of his, but sounding largely overwhelmed by the response his letter had gotten, which gave me a little bitter pleasure. He also sounded, more than anything else, defensive, jealous, or what people on boards like this so eloquently call "butt-hurt." Still, I give the man credit for responding, although he still didn't seem to understand the outrageous unprofessionalism of his letter--a blindness which I can only understand when I look at it instead as a cynical, open-eyed publicity grab (as per Susie and the ontd_ai poster). Today, inevitably, when I look back over our exchange, there are things I wish I had said that I didn't, and things I wish I had said differently, but on the whole having it gave me some form of closure. I just hope, as Q3 says, Hicklin doesn't go and fuck that up now. But because Adam is really a shining star in the gay community, and because OUT is the most prominent magazine representing that community, I for one will be happy to see him back in those pages where he should be, and Fuck Hicklin and his machinations. ETA: just wanted to say quickly: rabbitrabbit--I totally agree with what you said, and know what you're talking about in general, but I think there's a definite difference between LGBT boards and websites and even magazines which are targeted (more or less exclusively) at the community itself and are something of a haven from a bigoted world, and OUT Magazine, which fashions itself as bigger player, targeting a wider audience. (Indeed, much of Hicklin's false outrage had to do with the fact that he felt his magazine wasn't being treated with the respect that mainstream mags get.) OUT wants, I think, to be in the general discussion in this way, and invites a wider readership specifically by having mainstream stars like Adam Lambert, Adam Levine, and NPH on its covers. So I think we should all feel free to "get in there," so long as, as always, we do it professionally and in a way that doesn't embarrass ourselves and Adam and everyone around us!!! I also think Hicklin's move in 2009 was so bad as to be a personal affront both to all Adam fans and to all journalists and to anyone who asserts the right to live their lives on their own terms, not anybody else's.
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Post by Q3 on Aug 21, 2011 10:45:50 GMT -5
Regarding Hicklin being "up to his old tricks again."
Aaron Hicklin blindsided Adam with the "2009 Open Letter". In 2009, Hicklin has done similar things to other people in the past. He did not give Adam a chance to provide a comment or response, he never told Adam there was an issue, and it is not even clear that he offered Adam the solo cover.
Now there are a few good sources from both Out Mag staff and Adam's camp that Aaron Hicklin made promises to Adam to entice him back to Out Mag but that he is retrenching on those promises. The details may be mangled a bit -- but the consistent thing is that Hicklin is not doing what he promised.
Leopards do not change their spots. In 2009 Hicklin blindsided Adam and treated him shabbily. I bought into the concept that the last thing Adam needed was to have a bunch of fans post comments or write letters to the editor.
But I have learned a lot in the past couple of years -- and one thing I have learned is that a few thousand voices raised together can make a loud roar -- and Adam has more than just a few thousand committed fans. I think he has enough fans to shape public sentiment and to shift attitudes.
There is little that would stir me to real action but IF there is a hint from the heinous Mr. Hicklin that Adam is not "the right kind of gay" I will be one of the loudest voices defending Adam's right, my right, anyone's right to be who I/you are.
Finally, I wrote what I wrote mostly as a plea to the universe to make sure all is good and nothing bad happens to Adam.
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Post by 4Ms on Aug 21, 2011 10:48:40 GMT -5
Personally I think that the bedding is - hideous - creepy *ducks for rotten tomatoes* Agreed...that's why she doesn't want this, but does want to use something from her own beautiful photo collection. For the record and as a matter of full disclosure, I do not own any Adam bedding. I do not think it's either creepy or hideous. I am, however, certain my children would think it so, even though they have all slept with everyone from Barney to Mickey Mouse. (My 20 year old daughter still can't throw away her Barney blanket, but she no longer sleeps with it.) Anyway, I would still love to have Bamafan's pillow. Maybe I could just buy the pillowcase. Now where's that address? ;D As for Hicklin, perhaps it's time for the new generation, with new ideas, to take over OUT.
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Post by Q3 on Aug 21, 2011 10:56:53 GMT -5
4M I am in total agreement. OUT Mag seems to be a bit old fashioned to me.
Their entire motus operandi of "outing" people is really no longer needed -- if it ever was. I have always wonder what kind of person contacts celebrities and says -- go public or we will print you are gay anyway? I just think being public about your private life should be the celebs decision. If Anderson Cooper wants to be private about his life, leave him alone.
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Post by mszue on Aug 21, 2011 10:58:42 GMT -5
A fascinating article on charisma (told from an operatic perspective), but the author really examines what it is and (IMO) why Adam has such a brilliant future. www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/arts/music/what-is-charisma.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1No, unless one of Adam's primary new management team happens to be an attorney. (Many agents are and agents do segue into management.) It's always a risk you take that your client will not be portrayed as you want or expect (happens to politicians all the time), but it is a HUGE risk on the part of the publication to say one thing during negotiations, then turn around and do something completely different. They are gambling with their entire reputation and word travels fast. Other celebs will become wary. I definitely think they approached Adam. And like I said, I hope they groveled. The ONLY way I can imagine Adam's new management approached OUT is that they are crafting a MAJOR media saturation campaign and want him on every outlet possible for the Adam2 launch. They MAY have said to Adam, "We can take the high road, do this and keep our eyes on the bigger prize." (However, I cannot imagine the issue will not be addressed in some way in the interview/article.) I have an interesting question for a Sunday morning. I remember the OUTgate and I was furious at Hicklin as were most of us at the time. I agree with both your posts Q3 and Noangel. And what you wrote, Susiefierce, is really interesting. So....how does this fit with all the fuss re Piers Morgan's interview of Christine McDonnel? I have been 'siding' in my mind with Piers but when I read your post I am rethinking a little....did Piers 'blindside' McDonnel? She sees it that way, of course, but is this situation analogous to what happened to Adam? A big difference, of course, is that Adam was not present to defend himself.....so that is not the point...but could Piers have caused himself any issues by veering 'off point'?
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Post by cassie on Aug 21, 2011 10:59:00 GMT -5
This is a wonderful article! I read Adam in every point the author makes. Two quotes stood out to me: "Let’s assume for a moment that charisma is the real stuff, less a means than an end in itself. What we generally consider the “content” of the arts — the notes, the libretto, the bowings, the plot — is actually just the structure that makes possible the crucial thing: watching a performer who is able to connect with fundamental realities. It is not that a singer’s charisma makes a colorful aria sound even better but that the aria provides a platform, a vessel, for us to experience the charisma." This is part of the reason we say that Adam transcends the material he performs. It is not just the technique, not just the natural voice he has, but also the charisma that we experience when we see/hear him perform. "The question is whether people want to be swept up. Charisma can be exhilarating but also frightening. Our surrender to it demands a trust that is not easily conceded. If our desire from performance is only for comfort and reassurance, charisma will repel us. It is about revealing scope, and it raises the stakes dangerously high" The second quote is probably the best explanation of why Adam did not win American Idol, and why Kris did.
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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 21, 2011 10:59:45 GMT -5
4M I am in total agreement. OUT Mag seems to be a bit old fashioned to me. Their entire motus operandi of "outing" people is really no longer needed -- if it ever was. I have always wonder what kind of person contacts celebrities and says -- go public or we will print you are gay anyway? I just think being public about your private life should be the celebs decision. If Anderson Cooper wants to be private about his life, leave him alone. Do they really do that? If that's the case, it really is the equivalent of Perez and even Perez is a leopard who has changed his spots in that respect.
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Post by rad1109 on Aug 21, 2011 11:00:06 GMT -5
OUT is one of the few public gates that can still make my heart clench. Mainly because I felt Adam must have been hurt by the betrayal.
Now, I will remain a bit heartsick until we see the finale product. Damn you Adam, you constantly make me 'feel'.........
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