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Post by Zinnia on Feb 20, 2011 14:55:21 GMT -5
"Katri Utula says: 20.2.2011 klo 18:25 Toivon mukaan loppuviikosta saadaan Tutkakin vihdoin tehtyä.  Kiva kuulla, että sitä jo odotellaan." Somebody asked, and Katri answers that she hopes they get the next Tutka done by the end of the week (though with the wink as you see). She is happy people are already waiting for it. I was under the impression Katri was in Italy.. wasn't that where she was when she Blogged about Sauli mixing up the dates for them to go to the US It was several days ago, she's back now - at least she is doing her written blog about the tv-programmes like our Idol and such now. I think she said somewhere it was a business trip not vacation, but not sure if I mixed that up with something else. |
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Post by rama on Feb 20, 2011 14:59:42 GMT -5
That is an interesting point, Q3, that Adam may have made more money than Ke$ha. It seems unusual to me to have so many products from one album: 3 eps (2 remixes and acoustic) different international versions, plus the DVD/CD. Do you know of other musicians who have done this much with one CD era? Adam and RCA have very good to fans giving them what they want.
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Post by nica575 on Feb 20, 2011 15:01:47 GMT -5
"Actually, the first time I ever heard of fan fic was from J.K. Rowling herself, who (IIRC), seemed to treat it as a very matter-of-fact part of the Harry Potter fandom. She was well aware of the broad ranges of HP fic and she didn't seem to have any issue with it except when the fantasies began to infringe upon the actual themes of the book. For instance, I guess there were many fans who would ask her if Hermione and Malfoy would get together, which she expressly denounced saying, "That is never going to happen; they are enemies in a war ... that's just fan fic wishful thinking." (Paraphrasing from memory.)
If they were impinging on the artists' intellectual rights, I'm sure something would have been done about it years ago. Perhaps, like YouTube, brands consider it part of an engaged audience and if it goes to keep fans interested until the next book or next season. And is it much different than the video compilations where Adam may not be thrilled with how he's portrayed? Just a thought. "Well, that's interesting about the Star Trek franchise and Rowling not minding fan fic, maybe even embracing it. I guess that's the bottom line - do they think there is harm done? Evidently, they think not, not that much, or it balances out somehow.
I suppose fan fic could be looked at as basically fantasizing, and then sharing it - when I put it that way to myself, I think, what's the problem? (So long as it's not WAY weird/dark, etc.) But I'm still thinking about it. Hmm . . . Adam compilation vids. Interesting question/point - that, to me, at least, IS comprised of actually-Adam clips. (I believe my favorite it "Straight to Number 1," which is all Adommy moments . . . ) Lines, boundaries - where should they be drawn? I think, it comes down to "do no harm"? ... according to yesterday's posts they've fantasized Leila being raped by Kris' father, Adam being raped in many of the "fantasies"... I am thinking this is just a tiny tip... All I am saying is that I really, really do not want to have that stuff brought here. I am actually surprised that something like this is taken as a legitimate "adam" topic. [ b]
Q3 comment: I am ending the discussion of what is appropriate to discuss. I have no interest in reigning the conversation into a narrow range of topics -- it is too boring.
As long as the conversation is respectful to members, and if reporting things that are related to Adam or Adam fans, it is OK here. If it is a subject that you are not interested in, post something that you think is interesting to discuss. And remember that scroll is always available.
If you have a suggesting, post it in the suggestion thread -- in the Announcement section. Or PM me. But not a topic for the news thread.[/b][/color] |
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Post by PastaBaby on Feb 20, 2011 15:05:29 GMT -5
If they were impinging on the artists' intellectual rights, I'm sure something would have been done about it years ago. It would be pretty hard to restrict the use of the names "Adam", "Tommy", etc. Those names are not copyrighted. It is Adam's image that is copyrighted, i.e., photos, videos. |
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Post by rad1109 on Feb 20, 2011 15:07:03 GMT -5
Q3....what do you think is going on with Aftermath, just waiting for the right time to release? Let the DVD come out first?
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Post by aspen on Feb 20, 2011 15:11:11 GMT -5
Since SEXY videos are being posted, here's my fav. Tuke18 originally posted this one in '09 and after it had a zillion views, YouTube said it was too sexually explicit and took it down. She waited a while and uploaded it again and so far, so good.  That video takes me back. Seems like yesterday and like forever ago. How innocent we all were then with no idea what was yet to come. |
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Post by Q3 on Feb 20, 2011 15:14:17 GMT -5
That is an interesting point, Q3, that Adam may have made more money than Ke$ha. It seems unusual to me to have so many products from one album: 3 eps (2 remixes and acoustic) different international versions, plus the DVD/CD. Do you know of other musicians who have done this much with one CD era? Adam and RCA have very good to fans giving them what they want. Yes, other artists do this -- but it is a first for anyone from Idol. (Bieber is a whole industry.) There is a lot of ways to generate money. Looking at it from the label's point of view -- FYE has generated money in every imaginable way. Adam shares in all but the publishing income for the songs he did not write. 19 gets a cut of everything: VEVO videos and AO.com generate ad revenue. Licensing for ads, radio airplay, streaming media, subscription sales -- mostly goes to songwriters. Ringtone sales. Publishing rights. Ad placements in music videos. And RCA only promoted 2 Adam songs to US radio which is hugely expensive -- no apparently money was put behind FYE beyond the video -- and they appeared to have managed the investment in IIHY to be a modest budget. RCAs cares most about net contribution -- revenue less expenses -- not about plaques for Gold and Platinum records. You cannot deposit them in the bank. Then there are revenue streams that go to Adam and 19 -- merchandise, concert net, ALF and so on. Do not know what the numbers are but I do not believe that Adam's tour was a net-negative investment in his future like Lady Gaga did. Based on what Eber and the production companies have said, that tour was run on a conservative basis and a tight budget. I think Adam is very smart and has smarter people working for him. |
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Post by lethallyfloral on Feb 20, 2011 15:14:58 GMT -5
If they were impinging on the artists' intellectual rights, I'm sure something would have been done about it years ago. It would be pretty hard to restrict the use of the names "Adam", "Tommy", etc. Those names are not copyrighted. It is Adam's image that is copyrighted, i.e., photos, videos. There are authors who do not like fans writing fanfic with their characters but going after the fans would be counter productive as most fans don't make a cent off of fanfic and would argue fair use. Authors wouldn't earn a thing from suing the fanfic authors. As for the fanfic discussion, was it really "brought here" or was it just discussed? From what I recall, all discussion was just an off shoot about fanfic in general. It's not Adam related but it is fandom related. For the record, RPF (real person fic) is weird for me even if it's something as innocuous as two people having coffee in a platonic way. But it's not being posted here and it's interesting/educational to know what is out there. I remember my first experience with it was stumbling across a site for Kelly/Justin fanfic. I was more bothered with it then than I am now. |
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Post by rihannsu on Feb 20, 2011 15:16:28 GMT -5
I'd like to make a clarification about the fan fic discussion. I don't think anyone was trying to push anyone else into reading or approving of fan fic. I know all I was trying to do is clear up a lot of the misrepresentations of terminology and confusion about the genre. Whether someone wants to read fan fic in general or slash or real people fic is a very personal decision but some of what was being posted here indicated a total misunderstanding of both the terms and the medium. Many posters were making judgements based on totally erroneous information and a misunderstanding of the true meanings of the terms. Just because there exist BSC fans who take shipping seriously does not mean that the term itself implies belief in the reality. Just as we don't want our fandom as a whole defined by the BSC fans, fan fic writers and readers do not want their community defined by crazy tinhatters and conspiracy theorists.
Also the fan fic sites are for the most part very precise about having stories contain proper warnings and summaries so that you can choose not to read fics that are not in your comfort zone. The problems crop up when people who are ignorant of the rules of fan fic posting do not follow the conventions.
One poster mentioned a specific fic in order to make a point and I asked for a link to it which I admit I should have just asked via pm, but the majority of the discussion has been an attempt to educate about what shipping is and what fan fic is so that those of you who have not been exposed to it get the correct definitions for the terminology.
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Post by wal on Feb 20, 2011 15:16:48 GMT -5
Awww, the Kidz Bop Kids from the album KIDZ BOP 18 album singing WWFM.
lambertbella95 | February 19, 2011
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Kiva kuulla, että sitä jo odotellaan."
