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Post by Q3 on Feb 21, 2011 13:29:36 GMT -5
Hello, I pretty much lurk here, I asked this a couple of days ago, so don't know if this was asked or answered yet, but I have a question for Q3, concerning the live DVD. I remember you saying that concert DVD's don't sell well, especially not in the US but will probably sell more overseas. I remember you saying something about any product sent to stores by RCA have to sell well to set Adam up for his next releases (ie not having a lot of returns), I was just wondering how much can we expect this CD to sell that will be profitable, I don't know what RCA's budget, and expectations are for this project, but don't know if anything within the 20k-100k range will be too high or too low, not knowing how much DVD's typically sell. Did this question get answered? Because I am curious as well. It will take very little to make this CD-DVD profitable for RCA. VEVO picked up the filming cost (internal Sony deal). RCA has to pay for a bit of editing and the "extras", packaging and duplication, and distribution. They will probably have $0 in promotion and use free media. The initial creative costs for the CD are covered by now. RCA will need to pay royalties for sold units but that will be part of the wholesale price so a flexible expense, not a fixed cost. Hard to figure the total investment but my guess is that there is <$50K tied up in this CD/DVD, wholesale cost is about $9-$10, which puts breakeven around 5K - 7K units (after royalties) -- should get there in North America. (B/E depends on how many they produce -- and they do a P&L proforma to forecast production quantity. RCA has a lot of history on Adam product and I think they know what they will sell +/- 20% -- plus they have the presale info and input from key retailers.) The second question is about retail distribution -- I will answer when we see how extensive the retail distribution is in the US. But generally, DVDs are not big sellers in the US so threshold to = success is low. If the CD/DVD is stocked by Target, Walmart and Best Buy that is about 7,000 doors -- and a lot of distribution expense for RCA. For perspective on relative sales: the RIAA a Music Video Longform (what the DVD is) is Gold at 50,000 units, Platinum at 100,000. That is 10% of an album. Just my guess -- anything over 20K would be a huge win for Adam and hard to achieve. I expect/hope for 10K-15K in the US. It will be interesting to see how this is classified -- it is listed as a CD/DVD set indicating that the DVD is a bonus. I have not looked at similar cases to see what BBoard has done recently. Finally, the fact that RCA decided to put this deal together, and Sony/VEVO is part of it, that they are releasing the DVD in multiple countries is a testimony to their belief in Adam.
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Post by NoAngel on Feb 21, 2011 13:37:15 GMT -5
I never could figure out what was "theatrical" about that audition. The vocie was so perfect. Adam was so understated. WTF were Kara and Simon talking about! I understood what they were talking about.Rock with you was perfect pop vocals. Bohemian Rhapsody was perfect too of course, but the way he sang it was not pure rock. It WAS theatrical. The way he sang "life has just beguuuuun, but now i've gone and thrown it all away" was very theatrical. I'm not saying i didnt love it, i'm saying i know what they mean. The judges have the contestants' resumes, so Adam wouldn't have had to mention his theatre background for them to see it and perhaps pre-judge. I always assumed what they meant by theatrical was that Adam sang in a way that most of the guys didn't-- with expression in his face. Also that he enunciates beautifully when he sings, as theatre performers do. How all that is a negative is what escapes me.
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Post by gelly14 on Feb 21, 2011 13:51:25 GMT -5
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I wish i could explain what i mean in english. The thing you said, he enunciates beautifully, is negative in a rock song. You have to be more hard, not so embellished, more to the punch.JMHO.
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Post by Craazyforadam on Feb 21, 2011 13:53:10 GMT -5
Yesterday somebody mentioned that if you don't like a subject that you should just start another. I thought that was Tinafea, but she rather wants to do RL stuff instead. What a bummer. :-/ Thanks wal for posting something different. I always wished that we had a chance to see the complete audition as well as Hollywood week for Adam. Even though this video is the best in piecing everything together what is available, it is still clear that multiple major cuts were made. I also always believed that the theatrical discussion hit him because it was on the judge's "cheat"-sheets, not because of the audition, but I do think that the discussion got stuck in Kara's head and she stuck with that theme throughout Hollywood week, when my impression was that Simon had kind of already moved on from there. I noticed that Kara who was still very new on idol at the time of these auditions was constantly using Simon as her orientation point and then echoing whatever Simon was saying in her comments or using his words from one audition to the next. It took her a while to get away from that actually. Simon threw that "theatrical" out initially in response to Randy's current discussion and because it was fed to him and I do think that he has a general perception that Theater/Broadway singers get through auditions because they can sing well, but are often not cut out for a real life career in music post idol and so he hits that topic early on, but I got the sense that with Adam he quite quickly - probably even during the audition - realized that he had more than just the average theater kid in front of him and moved on. Kara was the one who took way longer, perhaps even til tracks of my tears, to bury that subject that she as the new A-student had learned to watch out for from Simon. I think that when Adam blew kisses to Paula and did his individualized handshakes with each and every one and treated Simon with a bit of a respectful no BS kind of distance that Simon knew that Adam had more than just theater up his sleeves and was therefore past the subject right then and there. Just my impression. But Simon did later struggle with the OTT style of Satisfaction and of course RoF, so I bet that while he obviously understands talent when he sees it, he ultimately always struggled with the fact that the soon to be biggest star that would emerge from AI1-Ai9 was somebody whose style was not his cup of tea. And I don't think that FYE or GNT since then have changed that one bit. Just different preferences and yes, gay may be a factor, but I think it would be a bit too cheap to just make it a case of that. We all have preferences and Simon has his too. We will see what Simon does with X-factor, looks like the new AI is not as dead as some were calling it already, so Simon will need to deliver this fall. After 9 years of being able to critique others, he himself will be under evaluation for his show and I am not one who is betting on his success. We'll see. His style is dated and I am not convinced he can overcome it and bring a new cool factor. Ai10 may have a chance, they do have a few interesting candidates, if they get the right top 12 together it could be good. But they also have a few that are great singers, but may not be typical pop radio candidates, so the new producers and judges will have to cross that very same bridge the next couple of weeks as well. Did I ever mention how much I hate that radio pigeon-holes everybody's music tastes in such a lob-sided manner. Anybody here played with Pandora since that social media conference?
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Post by Q3 on Feb 21, 2011 13:55:39 GMT -5
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I just hadn't commented on the Splash origin yet -- and wanted to. I am behind today. interesting. 4 mins sounds like the hit and run of a pap taking pix b4 he got thrown out. Whatever it was -- Adam does not appear to be majorly concerned as you go thru the time sequence. And they were released after he was back in LA. If Adam was upset about them, he has learned to keep his cool really well. Anyway -- they are not "intimate" photos. And Adam already publicly was seen with Sauli -- so doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Adam will make the gossip sites, get some press, he looks happy and great, and his mini vacation was almost totally undisturbed. ETA: And if they were from Splash -- they could be a paparazzi or an opportunist at the resort who recognized a celebrity and took the photos. In any case, they were shot on the 18th and not released until later. Just seems like some deal was made by someone here or it was not a pro. These photos would have been worth much more on 2/18 than 2/20. ETA #2: Here is info on Splash -- it is designed for people who are amateurs -- not pros. peoplepaparazzi.mainstreamdata.com/ Betting this was a guest and that explains the delay and the access. There are not a lot of pro paparazzi in Bora Bora anyway.
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Post by NoAngel on Feb 21, 2011 13:58:45 GMT -5
noangel I wish i could explain what i mean in english. The thing you said, he enunciates beautifully, is negative in a rock song. You have to be more hard, not so embellished, more to the punch.JMHO. I think I know what you mean, Gelly. There's a gritty, growly quality of singing that most rockers have. Even when Adam is singing a gritty rock song like WLL, there is a clarity of tone that is uniquely his. It's what sets him apart, imo, and I guess puts him closer to Mercury's style than Plant's.
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Post by rama on Feb 21, 2011 14:05:09 GMT -5
I love his pure tone, but this is why my husband doesn't care for Adam. Says his voice is too clean for his tastes. He likes a gritty sound.
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Post by Q3 on Feb 21, 2011 14:07:50 GMT -5
I love his pure tone, but this is why my husband doesn't care for Adam. Says his voice is too clean for his tastes. He likes a gritty sound. That is the same reason that some musicians have said Adam can't really sing "rock" music -- his vocals are too clean. It is not an insult, just a statement of fact.
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Post by gelly14 on Feb 21, 2011 14:10:00 GMT -5
noangel I wish i could explain what i mean in english. The thing you said, he enunciates beautifully, is negative in a rock song. You have to be more hard, not so embellished, more to the punch.JMHO. I think I know what you mean, Gelly. There's a gritty, growly quality of singing that most rockers have. Even when Adam is singing a gritty rock song like WLL, there is a clarity of tone that is uniquely his. It's what sets him apart, imo, and I guess puts him closer to Mercury's style than Plant's. ITA.Yes when he sings WLL there is NOTHING theatrical in his tone, even though he makes many embellishments.He is a rocker with a unique voice. Mercury was very theatrical in his live concerts but not theatrical on the tone of his voice. Thank you for explaining what i couldnt.
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Post by readon on Feb 21, 2011 14:13:43 GMT -5
I was listening to the IPOD this morning with all my music on shuffle. I like to hear songs in different genres pop up at random. I think it often gives you a different feel or impression of a song when it is surrounded by things that are different.
IIHY Remix, Morgan Page version, came up. IMO, the remix has a vibe that sort of makes IIHY less frantic. To me it kind of gave an idea of how Aftermath could work in a remix.
Here's a youtube promo video using the remix with the IIHY video. Any thoughts?
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