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Post by ileanne on Feb 21, 2011 14:14:07 GMT -5
Trying to get through the threads each day and work and do housework etc., make it really hard to catch up with the current subject of the day. So my thoughts so far from today:
1. I love the pics and am grateful to whoever took them. It is almost impossible for a celebrity to avoid this and I am quite sure Adam is aware of this. I must say I share the argument that this was part of the agreement; otherwise it would be bad publicity for the resort.
2. I saved that audition video a long time ago and look at it frequently as it sums up all of my admiration for him. He dressed down, wore no makeup, was there from very early morning and still had a lovely smile for everyone. I do not believe for one moment Simon was not going to put him through.
3. I shut down my twitter today as I could not handle the unbelievable things some people are saying to Ninni, who is legally allowed to download from news sources. It blows my mind the nitpicking of the last few days and the terrible things some have written about Adam and Sauli’s friendship. I adore seeing Adam happy and the first pic that emerged from Disney said it all. His smile was huge. I don’t ship, rarely read fic and am totally a fan for the music from one of the best artists to come along in a long time. He certainly has a lot of fires to put out to be accepted as such.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2011 14:16:27 GMT -5
Yes! Yes! Yes! So classy and so Adam!
Anyone who has been in a room with Adam knows, he gives off a certain aura, a presence. I'm sure the judges felt it and maybe Simon was even taken aback by it!
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Post by cassie on Feb 21, 2011 14:16:32 GMT -5
The judges have the contestants' resumes, so Adam wouldn't have had to mention his theatre background for them to see it and perhaps pre-judge. I always assumed what they meant by theatrical was that Adam sang in a way that most of the guys didn't-- with expression in his face.  Also that he enunciates beautifully when he sings, as theatre performers do. How all that is a negative is what escapes me. The theatrical label confused me for a while. But subsequent analysis of Adam's voice and technique and watching other Idol contestants and pop singers I THINK what they are noticing is: Projection, clarity, vibrato and tone on BR. These are qualities used by musical theater performers, but rarely by pop singers. Pop singers rely on the mic for projection/loudness. They don't usually use vibrato much, and their tones are raspier, breathier, more strained, and/or more dull and lacking in resonance (which is why the bells and whistles in the recording studio or the mic mix to add depth and richness). While Adam sang BR beautifully and masterfully, the sound was polished rather than raw or gritty. It didn't have the "rock" edge to it. At least, that is what I hear. ETA: Oops. I see that has already been stated. NVM |
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Post by Q3 on Feb 21, 2011 14:16:42 GMT -5
Interestingly, I recall many of the same criticisms that some musicians leveled against Freddy and Bowie as vocalists and performers --- too "theatrical". Paul McCartney was criticized as being too "pop". The "rock credibility" test has been around since the 1950's when rock was born.
Even Sam Cooke was criticized for the purity of his voice in the 50's. Until his music was huge hits, then he was copied. (Some of the earliest modern pop music.)
The reality is that Adam is in a time where rock vocalists are having to shift to soft rock (Daughtry) or country (Nickelback, Jon Bon Jovi) to sell music and get airplay. Adam seems to have settled on pop-rock with a solid rock edge. That seems to be a good place for the market -- and I love it. I do not need or want Adam to be a classic rocker out-of-step with the time. I want him to create some music for the 21st century. And that rough, rock vocal style is really dead now. Only heritage artists and niche acts.
Anyway -- Adam is too Adam to be a neo-grunge rocker or a nu-metal frontman.
No I am happy with what he has said so far -- pop-rock with lots of guitar for the next album.
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Post by gelly14 on Feb 21, 2011 14:20:04 GMT -5
I love his pure tone, but this is why my husband doesn't care for Adam. Says his voice is too clean for his tastes. He likes a gritty sound. That is the same reason that some musicians have said Adam can't really sing "rock" music -- his vocals are too clean. It is not an insult, just a statement of fact. I disagree with that statement of fact.When the song needs to be sung with a gritty voice, he has gritty voice.At the end of WWFM when he shouts WWFM is pure rock.Also when he sang with Kiss at 3.38 of the song when he sang "one more time, one more time, yeaaaaaa!!" it was perfect gritty pure rock.When the song needs to be gritty he can perfectly do it. . And this to me is perfection.To be able to sing one minute with pure vocals and the next minute with gritty rock vocals. Again JMHO ETA cassie I was certain that you would totally understand what i'm talking about.  |
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Post by melliemom on Feb 21, 2011 14:24:23 GMT -5
I understood what they were talking about.Rock with you was perfect pop vocals. Bohemian Rhapsody was perfect too of course, but the way he sang it was not pure rock. It WAS theatrical. The way he sang "life has just beguuuuun, but now i've gone and thrown it all away" was very theatrical. I'm not saying i didnt love it, i'm saying i know what they mean. The judges have the contestants' resumes, so Adam wouldn't have had to mention his theatre background for them to see it and perhaps pre-judge. I always assumed what they meant by theatrical was that Adam sang in a way that most of the guys didn't-- with expression in his face. Also that he enunciates beautifully when he sings, as theatre performers do. How all that is a negative is what escapes me. If you noticed Simon's face as soon as Adam showed up,he was ready to make some unfavorable comment .Theatrical didn't fly and he had to eat his words. Adam said before hand, that he thought Simon would have something to say.. I guess Simon was being a bit theatrical himself . |
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Post by NoAngel on Feb 21, 2011 14:25:42 GMT -5
I was listening to the IPOD this morning with all my music on shuffle. I like to hear songs in different genres pop up at random. I think it often gives you a different feel or impression of a song when it is surrounded by things that are different. IIHY Remix, Morgan Page version, came up. IMO, the remix has a vibe that sort of makes IIHY less frantic. To me it kind of gave an idea of how Aftermath could work in a remix. Here's a youtube promo video using the remix with the IIHY video. Any thoughts? Thanks for reminding me of that one, Readon. I forgot how much I like that remix. It has a "cool" vibe that I really enjoy. Some dance remixes have a frantic, frenzied sound that usually doesn't work for me. I can easily see Aftermath done in this way, and I can see it played in a club, towards the end of the night, when things are winding down from wildness and becoming more intimate. |
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Post by gelly14 on Feb 21, 2011 14:28:35 GMT -5
"Now dont call me out if i come up with feathers on my next cover"  |
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Post by Craazyforadam on Feb 21, 2011 14:29:24 GMT -5
I love his pure tone, but this is why my husband doesn't care for Adam. Says his voice is too clean for his tastes. He likes a gritty sound. Adam can put grit into his voice, i.e. Enter Sandman, but he does not often do it and he has to artificially alter his voice to bring that sound out and I think it is strenuous for him and if he did it regularly he would lose other vocal qualities that he has and that would be a loss, so there are trade-offs to be made. As far as the audition goes, he to me actually did not show much of the variety he is capable of (at least not in the bit we got to see). I found that the two pieces we got to see where sung with the same belting out, flat but strong sound formation that is common in pop and did not showcase many different techniques. Now, whether in the unseen part of the audition that was there, we of course don't know. The producers may have downplayed the breadth of his audition on purpose. Also, somewhere I thought I heard an interview where Adam said he had to restart one song because he started it in a wrong key. It's all guess work what they had to work with when the judges were talking. By the way, if you are interested in vocal technique and for others...just skip...but Cassie linked in her thread to one of these videos and that got me started and I listened to the whole sequence and I learned quite a bit from that. It is 4 pieces long: www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPnyflzpb2w&NR=1www.youtube.com/watch?v=NImtobclrIs&feature=relatedwww.youtube.com/watch?v=oKchM-1yOgU&feature=relatedwww.youtube.com/watch?v=HJzplmGGK4Q&feature=relatedBased on what these videos are explaining, Adam tried to vocally stay away from an open singing style, tried to stay away from vibrato, tried to stay away from any ornamentation and mostly used head voice (hope I got that right) in what we saw. So he sure made an attempt to sing pop from a technical standpoint almost at the expense of the song. So that theatrical comment must have hit him quite a bit because he tried to so stay away from giving a different impression. Gelly, I by the way agree that he has this clear sound to his voice that some love and others don't and that does not fit the stereotypical pop sound, but I still think that calling it theatrical because of that would be a stretch imo. |
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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Feb 21, 2011 14:30:54 GMT -5
The judges have the contestants' resumes, so Adam wouldn't have had to mention his theatre background for them to see it and perhaps pre-judge. I always assumed what they meant by theatrical was that Adam sang in a way that most of the guys didn't-- with expression in his face. Also that he enunciates beautifully when he sings, as theatre performers do. How all that is a negative is what escapes me. If you noticed Simon's face as soon as Adam showed up,he was ready to make some unfavorable comment .Theatrical didn't fly and he had to eat his words. Adam said before hand, that he thought Simon would have something to say.. I guess Simon was being a bit theatrical himself . All of this theatricality talk just reminds me how out of touch Simon is with modern music. I mean he says theatricality is dated right at a time where Gaga is exploding into the stratosphere and everything she is is theatrical! And look at pop music now, Katy shooting shit outta her boobs and Rihanna and all her schtick and Bruno being all throwback and Doo-woppy (yes that's a technical term lol)...pop music exploded into a big theatrical movement and Simon just couldn't see it and it was practically smacking him in the face. That just hurts his credibility in my eyes but whatevez. he is richer than God and I am sure his new show will be a hit even if it just churns out middle of the road bland pop acts that fade into obscurity. I hope not but eh whatever. |
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