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Post by lynneville on Aug 30, 2011 21:05:46 GMT -5
Merrycello Meredith In case you missed it before, here is my (late) vid of OOL from Ste Agathe: youtube.com/watch?v=rAs3kQ…
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Post by nica575 on Aug 30, 2011 21:08:06 GMT -5
Cassie --- I agree. I am convinced that even Adam is still exploring what he can do vocally -- and his focus on vocals in the upcoming album is clear. Sometimes I think that he did not realize how important his vocal expression was to fans until with Glam Nation Tour, and to critics until he released the AL EP. That said -- I have a slightly different opinion on pop music. The simplicity and repetition in pop songs is almost required because a great pop song can be sung by almost anyone -- a song you can sing along to when you are driving in your car. In the hey day of Tin Pan Alley, a great popular song had to be able to be played on a piano by an amateur and accompanied by people in her living room. Interesting point. I sometimes wonder if Adam does not truly understand how outstanding and rare his vocals are. He praises singers he could sing circles around. Certainly he has to hear the difference, don't you think? But, maybe, altho he has received much praise for his voice since he was a teenager, he didn't see the value of such an instrument because he was unable to market it. Perhaps the feedback from so many about how they crave hearing his voice pure and clear finally convinced him to highlight his voice. I also agree that pop music is designed to be easy to sing. It's designed for the audience to be able to easily sing along, even when dancing and boogie-ing. And perhaps that is why many of the pop stars do not have that exceptional a voice.... it would not fit with the "everyman" appeal of pop music. Maybe that is why the producers, tho blown away by Adam's vocal ability, tended to cover it up on his first album. Who knows. But, I am glad that Adam has listened to what folks have been saying about proudly using that vocal gift he has (that he worked so hard to perfect). As you know by now - I am so new to the "pop music" that everything I've learned is a revelation. The most important one is also the most "illogical" - the fact that the vocals play no role, given no importance and make no difference to a "typical" consumer of pop music. Two years ago I kept being shocked every time I would here the phraze "who cares about the voice!? : " from EVERY young person (late teens, early twenties) that I would talk to about Adam. I am used to that attitude now and I stopped bringing the "singing" up. I discovered that the "valued" qualities are: repetitive, energetic beat; synthesized, electronic sounding sounds; a simple, short word being "ear wormed" into your brain and a melody that spans no more than 3 tones at most, and lyrics in general consisting of 5 words at most. The vocal qualities do not come into consideration. If Adam manages to succeed swiming against this current and become a top artist (Gaga level) - I will consider it a miracle. And I sure believe that Adam is capable of miracles ;D I am always surprised at the praises Adam "sings" to all kinds of artists - regardless of if they have or do not have any singing ability. This tells me that he is also part of the "who cares about the voice" culture, and something else is captivating for him. Here is the reason I want to hear Adam on the stage of a major opera house singing a title role at least once in my life: ADAM WILL NOT BE USING A MIC! WE WOULD HEAR HIS VOICE IN ITS ORIGINAL BEAUTY - no amplification, no artificial echo, no artificial resonance - THE PURE VOICE IN ALL ITS IMPOSSIBLE GLORY! and as a side benefit - nobody will be screaming, making sounds, jumping, drinking or anything else. The audience will be holding their breath inhaling every sound....and that is my dream.
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Post by cassie on Aug 30, 2011 21:10:08 GMT -5
Adam -- if you are reading this (ha! fat chance) ---- Please read what Cassie wrote!! Do not let anyone bury your voice on this album!!! I am amazed how rarely anyone gives credit to vocalists for how hard they have to work. I guess it is because there is no physical instrument involved. But if critics and music experts did a better job at reporting about vocal skill and training, I think that fans would get it. I used to get so annoyed about the AI8 Idol fanwar discussions that Kris was a musician because he play instruments, while Adam was not because he just sang -- and anyone can sing. Well JMHO no one can sign like Adam -- there are other great vocalists, but only one Adam Lambert. And he was not just born that way. Preach it, sista!!!! I have nothing to add.
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Post by mszue on Aug 30, 2011 21:12:49 GMT -5
Nica...and when that happens I will be standing right beside you, in tears....sigh
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Post by cassie on Aug 30, 2011 21:18:13 GMT -5
As you know by now - I am so new to the "pop music" that everything I've learned is a revelation. The most important one is also the most "illogical" - the fact that the vocals play no role, given no importance and make no difference to a "typical" consumer of pop music. Two years ago I kept being shocked every time I would here the phraze "who cares about the voice!? : " from EVERY young person (late teens, early twenties) that I would talk to about Adam. I am used to that attitude now and I stopped bringing the "singing" up. I discovered that the "valued" qualities are: repetitive, energetic beat; synthesized, electronic sounding sounds; a simple, short word being "ear wormed" into your brain and a melody that spans no more than 3 tones at most, and lyrics in general consisting of 5 words at most. The vocal qualities do not come into consideration. If Adam manages to succeed swiming against this current and become a top artist (Gaga level) - I will consider it a miracle. And I sure believe that Adam is capable of miracles ;D I am always surprised at the praises Adam "sings" to all kinds of artists - regardless of if they have or do not have any singing ability. This tells me that he is also part of the "who cares about the voice" culture, and something else is captivating for him. Here is the reason I want to hear Adam on the stage of a major opera house singing a title role at least once in my life: ADAM WILL NOT BE USING A MIC! WE WOULD HEAR HIS VOICE IN ITS ORIGINAL BEAUTY - no amplification, no artificial echo, no artificial resonance - THE PURE VOICE IN ALL ITS IMPOSSIBLE GLORY! and as a side benefit - nobody will be screaming, making sounds, jumping, drinking or anything else. The audience will be holding their breath inhaling every sound....and that is my dream. Nica, we are soooooo on the same page. It's my dream, too. I'm gonna keep putting it out to the universe. Cuz, hey, it could happen.
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Post by cassie on Aug 30, 2011 21:28:27 GMT -5
NoAngel wrote:
I get your point, and you are right. Adam has not said anything to indicate that he is interested in taking his voice in that direction.
But....... as a singer, I gotta tell you. There is something other-worldly about creating that rich, full, resonant sound in your body and releasing it to the universe. It is visceral. It is exhilarating. It feels so good. Some singers have said it is orgasmic.
I'm not talking about just singing a little ditty, or humming along to a song on the radio. I am talking about tapping into the full potential of what your voice and body can do, the high point they can soar to. About ascending to the Mt. Everest of song, or gliding on thermals a mile above the ground, or floating weightless in 50 feet of tropical waters, or standing on the rim of the Grand Canyon, or standing in the Sistine Chapel and experiencing the reverence and awe.
I know that sounds hopelessly corny or romantic.... but, I have felt it. I have talked to other singers who have. And that is why I believe that Adam will ultimately be driven to do more with his voice.
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Post by reihmer on Aug 30, 2011 21:28:31 GMT -5
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Post by NoAngel on Aug 30, 2011 21:29:44 GMT -5
Okay, I wanna put something out to the universe also :D
I'm with Susie-- want to see Adam as Judas in a modernized production of JCS, either onstage or onscreen. I would die of happiness and I think Adam would kill in a rock opera!
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Post by Q3 on Aug 30, 2011 21:36:51 GMT -5
Oh I would love to be there!!
One year at the Grammys (1995) they had the usual stream of 18 acts. It was in the Shire Auditorium -- not famous for great acoustics. But the staging was great, the performances were good, and I was having a fine time. Then Pavarotti took the stage and although he had a mike, he did not need it. The audience was there for the rock and pop acts -- but he stole the show.
It was the only time I in the audience and heard an opera singer back-to-back with popular music acts. The comparison was stunning. Even to people like me who are not opera fans, there was no doubt who ruled that show.
But on TV, at home, the experience was quite different. Pavoratti was apparently nothing special in the broadcast version.
I have always wondered why opera singers are so much better live than recorded when almost every other singer is better recorded.
Adam IMO is also better live.
There is just something that cannot be captured in a recording. I have heard it many times now. I do not know what it is but Adam has it.
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Post by reihmer on Aug 30, 2011 21:37:12 GMT -5
Okay, I wanna put something out to the universe also :D I'm with Susie-- want to see Adam as Judas in a modernized production of JCS, either onstage or onscreen. I would die of happiness and I think Adam would kill in a rock opera! Well there's always this.
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