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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Aug 30, 2011 11:21:41 GMT -5
That would be wonderful...but I am not holding my breath. Look at all the mega success Adele has had and still....the auto tune crap keeps coming. I guess if more and more ppl do it we'll see if there is a shift, and if there is a shift it probably won't be immediately.. Why is the assumption so often that there is only ONE market? There are many. I think that the breakdown by genre is not any more useful to classify our music of today. Everybody makes music and talks about how they blend genres (country to pop, rock to country, hip-hop / urban to R&B, electronic to rock...and on and on and on). Nobody wants to fit into the old boxes. How about we would start selling music more by function. - Work-out music - Quiet Dinner music - Inspirational music, music for a cause - Driving and Trucking - Dance, Party - Tell a Story, theme songs - Cry me a River - Love songs, sex songs - Express/share my feelings - Background listening etc..... I think if the industry would tell people how a song "feels", they could sell more easily, would have more interesting radio programs, people would be less confused and probably more engaged. Sell the experience instead of selling the technical or rhythmic background of the songs or some confusing word like pop. And some songs may fit into two or three categories, even in my short sketchy list above, but give me a song title and the two or three categories it fits into and it probably makes sense to me. Pop - quite frankly does not tell me much anymore. For Katy Perry it fits so 100 % that the label still works, but for Adele? Obviously, not so much. Brings me back to that multiple market question. Adele is in a different market than Katy Perry, even if they are both on the Top 40 chart. They don't have to play by the same rules, don't have to have the same number of singles or roll-out schedules or marketing plans to get attention. Adele's songs are very much "cry me a river" emotional in topic, but yet many people are inspired and perceive it as something new, because the sound is different, the look is different, and we are overfed with artificial fluff and shallow sounds of sexiness. Radio and its PDs are waiting for something new too. I believe Adam has a chance to make his mark, and going real and being of substance is very promising way to go with lots of people. Now the music quality needs to be there in those songs that are single material, then he is going to break through. I think he very much had a lot of quality in FYE album already, but to lesser degree in those tracks that were singles and so the wider market did not quite get the message yet. I am totally optimistic that Adam will have that nailed in album #2. I am just using pop music in a general way.Mostly meaning pop pop--the kind of pop artist Adam seems to want to be--and so far it's pretty much the same it has been for a while now. Urban and dance oriented pop dominating the airwaves. Of course there are anomalies, but I am being as general as possible bc I don't have the time to break everything down nor am I qualified to do so. I am not saying that the tide won't turn to the singers who can really sing--if very well could--it's just that is hasn't yet. And really no one can predict the future so what do we know. EDIT: Because I realized my words didn't translate from my head to my fingertips in the way I intended lol |
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Post by cassie on Aug 30, 2011 11:29:49 GMT -5
Mszue You are right,there are many really good female vocalists out there,but beside Adam, who would you consider good/great male singers in the same league as the women mentioned above. Seriously, melliemom, there are lots of very good male singers out there but they do even attempt to break into pop....as a genre...in my estimation. They are in theatre or country or form their own little genre such as Buble and Josh Rogan. Adam came from musical theatre for a reason...that is where the really good singers are. This is part of the reason I always am surprised at the lack of love for musical theatre here.....it is a world unto itself currently. It was not that way years ago but what used to be soul and r&b has not been overtaken by rap and autotune...so no males that sing, bother. To me, it is not Adele that is the anomaly at all....it is Adam. Adam will either start a trend of better and more men in pop...or he will drift back to musical theatre in a few years [up to 5 at most I would think]. Either way, he will be fine and do well....but it is a crap shoot which way pop will go for the men. I suspect most of the good singers are simply not willing to do what they have to do to make it in pop....and to fight the powers that be...when they can have it all except mass-market name recognition...in another genre. Good point, MsZue. There are lots of very talented male and female singers out there. In fact, if you go to a professional production of a musical, practically every voice on stage sounds great without any enhancements. That is just not the type of voice that people want singing pop/top 40 music. (Evidenced in part by KA winning AI. His voice, for many folks, just sounds more "earthy", more "pop-y", more "natural". It is what they relate to more than Adam's trained, versatile, powerful, effortless voice.) I guess one could make similar complaints about the types of songs that become hits these days. Listening to their basic 2-4 chord structure, simple and repetitive melody (if there is a melody), trite, trivial lyrics, and repeated chorus, one could bemoan the dearth of "good music" today. In reality, there is some beautiful, incredible music being written for orchestra, choir, musical theater, opera, etc these days. But most people are not interested in listening to it while they drive to work or school. Different strokes for different folks. |
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Post by Craazyforadam on Aug 30, 2011 11:31:57 GMT -5
Just wanted to stop by and let everyone know that I made it back home and everything at my house and my job are fine. We ran from the storm but it found us. The place where we ran was out of power for 2 days and no cable or interent or cell service for 4 days. I will never get my husband to leave for a storm again. I am releaved but sad that I didn't miss any landbreaking news in Adam Land. I am glad I am old and time seems to fly by or 8 weeks would be an eternity. Cookiejar, so good to hear that you are fine and yeap, the way this storm ran, with the wind less of a problem than the water, I believe you that OBX had less of a problem than NC inland where the water cannot run off. These storms each have their own personality, the next one can be a bigger wind-maker again. You just never know. Glad you are safe and back home. Now has anyone heard from Skylar? She has not yet twittered as far as I can tell. Really getting worried about her glass house and all. Finally, @paperheart: " If the industry has to tell me how the song "feels" then the song isn't doing it's job IMO." LOL - I meant that of course as a means to get people to listen to a song in the first place, not as somebody telling you what you should feel once you hear it. |
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Post by melliemom on Aug 30, 2011 11:32:50 GMT -5
Mszue You are right,there are many really good female vocalists out there,but beside Adam, who would you consider good/great male singers in the same league as the women mentioned above. Seriously, melliemom, there are lots of very good male singers out there but they do even attempt to break into pop....as a genre...in my estimation. They are in theatre or country or form their own little genre such as Buble and Josh Rogan. Adam came from musical theatre for a reason...that is where the really good singers are. This is part of the reason I always am surprised at the lack of love for musical theatre here.....it is a world unto itself currently. It was not that way years ago but what used to be soul and r&b has now been overtaken by rap and autotune...so no males that sing, bother. To me, it is not Adele that is the anomaly at all....it is Adam. Adam will either start a trend of better and more men in pop...or he will drift back to musical theatre in a few years [up to 5 at most I would think]. Either way, he will be fine and do well....but it is a crap shoot which way pop will go for the men. I suspect most of the good singers are simply not willing to do what they have to do to make it in pop....and to fight the powers that be...when they can have it all except mass-market name recognition...in another genre. Thank you ,I agree. Must be a lonely climb for Adam.I come from NY & Broadway was and still is my love.Now Broadway wants famous TV/radio singers to grace their stage,in order to sell the very pricey tickets. I hope Adam succeeds in whatever he desires. As he said he went on Idol for name recognition,so that Broadway might call.It's all so strange now. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2011 11:40:02 GMT -5
mszue, Kanadie would also have information on this topic since he has been an audio engineer in the music business. I recently, read an article that said everyone uses autotune. It is just the extent to which it is used that makes the difference. The gist of the article is that if you can tell it's being used, then it is too much. It said overuse causes a kind of warble, almost a yodel, in the voice. BTW, Katy sounds great live. She did some riffing and improv on some songs that blew me away. She's no Adam Lambert, of course, but who is!  But her music is really not for the purpose of selling her voice. She is selling fun. And I have to say that her concert is the most fun concert I've ever been to. Saw Kesha live also, when Adam did Wango Tango, and listening to her was painful. But I love her because she loves Adam!  I quite agree mys*&@^#r and I was not meaning that as they do not have a place in pop. I was just commenting on vocal, singing quality, from a barely, partially educated perspective. I am no expert. But...and I know this is heretic at the moment...but I like and admire Adele but I do not think her vocal talents stand up to someone like Xtina or Beyonce. If you put them together in a sing-off [and dis-allowed all that riffing, which I happen to really dislike : ] I think Adele would be out of her league, TBH. hiding behind that couch now...somebody wave when it is safe to come out.... I completely agree. Adele's strength is in her emotion, not her voice, per say. I would bet that she uses autotune too because the live version of Rollin in the Deep and the recorded version are quite different, IMO. As a matter of fact, I have heard live versions from other artists that I like better than hers live. Oh, and speaking of production... that song is a wonder! The instrumentation, back up singers, every single thing about the production of that song is amazing! Talk about choosing the right single! WOW! When I used the word anomaly to describe her the other day, I was referring to her sales, BTW, not her voice. |
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Post by gelly14 on Aug 30, 2011 11:41:37 GMT -5
Just wanted to stop by and let everyone know that I made it back home and everything at my house and my job are fine. We ran from the storm but it found us. The place where we ran was out of power for 2 days and no cable or interent or cell service for 4 days. I will never get my husband to leave for a storm again. I am releaved but sad that I didn't miss any landbreaking news in Adam Land. I am glad I am old and time seems to fly by or 8 weeks would be an eternity. Glad to hear everything is ok. |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Aug 30, 2011 11:45:20 GMT -5
Since it's not so busy, just a quick reminder that the Trevor Project's birthday fundraising drive ends tomorrow, and they have less than $5000 to go to meet their goal. We can all help spread the word for this last push. Here is the fans of Adam fundraising page goo.gl/QixgW There is info about this drive in the social action thread. Thanks to all who have contributed! |
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Post by gelly14 on Aug 30, 2011 11:49:37 GMT -5
A commenter on one of my blogs on ALFC shared with me this video from a Larry Flick interview with Adam in the fall of '09. I hadn't seen it before and wanted to share it. Adam displays such full awareness of walking the line between art & commerce and the social statement he is making, even back then. Plus he looks amazing. Everyone wins. You should listen to the other clips too. They're really good. And yes he looks amazing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2011 11:51:52 GMT -5
Ya, but then Larry turned into an a$$hat and seemed to be imposing his agenda onto Adam and his fans. :-/
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Post by Holst on Aug 30, 2011 11:53:15 GMT -5
J-Lo has the same quality voice as Katy...so have no idea if she has mechanical help or just lots of production / Did you ever see this duet with J-Lo and hubby? I remember watching it live on the Grammys and being befuddled by the contrast in singing abilities on this slow song. Cleary Marc Anthony can out sing her in every way. I'm guessing Atop members can appreciate his voice since we already love Adam's skill and emotability (new word?). I never knew before that how dependent J-Lo was on the style of music she sings. It's a style that doesn't require anything but singing the correct pitch, in my opinion. I thought, at the time, "that performance was weird," and was so happy to know that I wasn't the only one who thought so. That weekend, SNL did a spoof on the duet making J Lo look really bad. |
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But her music is really not for the purpose of selling her voice. She is selling fun. And I have to say that her concert is the most fun concert I've ever been to. 
