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Post by stardust on Oct 10, 2011 11:11:03 GMT -5
I think this discussion is still news and if peeps want to talk about it they should be allowed to in the current thread. Just remember to keep it civil.
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Post by agnelle on Oct 10, 2011 11:14:04 GMT -5
Rejoining the fun here ;D  We don't know if there was an agreement to release these songs to the public prior to their finalization in the studio. He recorded the CV songs in hopes of getting a record deal, that didn't happen and therefore the CV songs are no longer representative of who Adam is as an artist. Monte and Tommy from Prong are merely musical instruments playing in the background. It is not their voice or their reputation on the line here, it is Adam's. The phrase "now that Adam is a big shot" strikes me as being somewhat hostile toward Adam because he's made a name for himself as a solo artist. IMO Adam's feelings do out weigh those of the other two because it's not Beg For Mercy by Monte Pittman or Beg For Mercy by Tommy of Prong. It is Beg For Mercy by Adam Lambert. His name, his fan base, his voice. Whoever is releasing these tracks had them as far back as 2005 and yet they never went anywhere. Do you suppose if Monte were still with Madonna and Adam had never made it past Hollywood round on Idol this album would be released? No, it most certainly wouldn't be so regardless of the "fairness" to Monte/Tommy (prong dude) to get their "just desserts" for helping poor misguided Adam, it's total BS to be releasing these songs now under these circumstances. And that's the problem. Monte/Tommy (prong) aren't visible enough or invested enough for this to even impact them. Adam on the other hand has media buzz about his music and his upcoming second album and this album muddies those waters greatly. The same thing happened with his first album and it just sucks. Where were all these people who are now so willing to produce and release an album from him when he was shopping for record deals? They closed their doors to him. For them to now take advantage of his hard work turns my stomach. It's opportunistic and parasitic and disgusting. I don't think anyone said Monte is the mastermind but the question is how much did he know or does he know about this situation and if he knew beforehand why didn't he give Adam a heads up so he wasn't blindsided? _______________________________________ anyway, came back because this is still the only Adam board that isn't totally fantardy LOL. Not sure how much I'll post this time around but this situation made me feel the need to express my thoughts. peace <3 Read more: adamtopia.com/index.cgi?board=daily&action=display&thread=516&page=41#ixzz1aONoi2csExcellent post, Wonderstruck! Everyone involved but Adam has everything to gain and nothing to lose by this deal. What's shady to me at this point is the timing and using Adam's name without his blessing. I get that this is part of Adam's history, and some fans would love this for their collection, but market it as history during a dry period and don't try to deceive fans or the general public into thinking this is Adam's new music. |
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Post by rad1109 on Oct 10, 2011 11:20:25 GMT -5
Every web story mentioning Adams tweets about his new music have a link in the comments saying something like "hey I can't wait for his new CD out in November' and the link takes them to that Beg-website. Real classy trolling...and we know about that.
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Post by Jablea on Oct 10, 2011 11:25:47 GMT -5
Quoting from Monte's Ultimate-Guitar interview posted earlier www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/hit_the_lights/monte_pittman_id_love_to_see_adam_lambert_play_with_led_zeppelin.htmlI see here a guy who thinks how they (and note that it is "they" not "we") marketed Take One as pretty sleazy. I don't see a guy that less than a year later would change his mind. I know the ninja types have put together a whole list of "but he and/or wife did this this and that so now he's changed his tune." I don't believe it. He's got a reputation to uphold too and he's been a businessman for a long, long time. If what some people have him tried and convicted of were true then goodbye Madonna career too. It does not compute! If he were a cashier-in-er then heck, all those songs he wrote with Madonna that didn't get added to her albums would have been fair game many years ago. And he had cred of already getting writing credit for songs that did appear. Have you seen that album? I haven't. |
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Post by justgill on Oct 10, 2011 11:34:33 GMT -5
Rejoining the fun here ;D We don't know if there was an agreement to release these songs to the public prior to their finalization in the studio. He recorded the CV songs in hopes of getting a record deal, that didn't happen and therefore the CV songs are no longer representative of who Adam is as an artist. Monte and Tommy from Prong are merely musical instruments playing in the background. It is not their voice or their reputation on the line here, it is Adam's. The phrase "now that Adam is a big shot" strikes me as being somewhat hostile toward Adam because he's made a name for himself as a solo artist. IMO Adam's feelings do out weigh those of the other two because it's not Beg For Mercy by Monte Pittman or Beg For Mercy by Tommy of Prong. It is Beg For Mercy by Adam Lambert. His name, his fan base, his voice. Whoever is releasing these tracks had them as far back as 2005 and yet they never went anywhere. Do you suppose if Monte were still with Madonna and Adam had never made it past Hollywood round on Idol this album would be released? No, it most certainly wouldn't be so regardless of the "fairness" to Monte/Tommy (prong dude) to get their "just desserts" for helping poor misguided Adam, it's total BS to be releasing these songs now under these circumstances. And that's the problem. Monte/Tommy (prong) aren't visible enough or invested enough for this to even impact them. Adam on the other hand has media buzz about his music and his upcoming second album and this album muddies those waters greatly. The same thing happened with his first album and it just sucks. Where were all these people who are now so willing to produce and release an album from him when he was shopping for record deals? They closed their doors to him. For them to now take advantage of his hard work turns my stomach. It's opportunistic and parasitic and disgusting. I don't think anyone said Monte is the mastermind but the question is how much did he know or does he know about this situation and if he knew beforehand why didn't he give Adam a heads up so he wasn't blindsided? _______________________________________ anyway, came back because this is still the only Adam board that isn't totally fantardy LOL. Not sure how much I'll post this time around but this situation made me feel the need to express my thoughts. peace <3 Read more: adamtopia.com/index.cgi?board=daily&action=display&thread=516&page=41#ixzz1aONoi2csVoice from the grave of a dead thread: practically word-for-word my sentiments; especially your second paragraph. Tried, but couldn't have said it better  . |
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Post by ileanne on Oct 10, 2011 11:34:50 GMT -5
Tinafea, SusieFierce, Wonderstruck, Jazzrocks, Hoopla1 and all who support their point of view, just want to say....with you all the way.
I have witnessed several business arrangements that never worked out to benefit those with most of the input and this is what this was. This guy W advanced funds in the hope this record would become a good business deal. Bottom line, it didn’t, and only when Adam became fairly famous through Idol did they stand a chance to recoup (as Monte wanted) any monies invested.
If they were above board they would have put it out at any time OTHER than when Adam’s new music is out. Monte had to have known this. I do not particularly like Monte’s music and have never bought anything, but I do not wish him failure in his dreams at all. I only want Adam to recoup the rewards of many years of hard work and make his dreams come true.
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Post by tigerlily on Oct 10, 2011 11:35:55 GMT -5
They wrote together after Madonna made it big. She had enough money to have personal lawyers to protect her co-writes, demos, etc. from the scumbags who would want to take advantage of her name and her fame.
Adam didn't have that at the time of his BFM/CV collabs and recordings, so unfortunately he isn't protected from the scum who are making a profit on HIS name, HIS voice and the fact that HE is the one who is famous.
Sleazy, sleazy,sleazy...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2011 11:37:41 GMT -5
Take One is different though. Both Monte and Adam were "guns for hire." Monte may feel differently about material that is actually his.
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Post by chasingeden on Oct 10, 2011 11:38:04 GMT -5
Did not know I am this invested... Rad... the BFM release seems very important for them (W&co). They will steer. They know Adam's Internet fan traffic. It won't just be the newsblogs that they will have an interest in; fan forums as well. Wonderstruck... I love your pov. Like I said earlier, W&co will fish. However we feel about whether this album should be released or not, the consensus among many fans seems, to me, to be that we won't buy. And that won't sit well with W&co. Like Adam said, we should unite as fans  , especially at times like these. Adam likes black. Don't get too distracted by the grey... |
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Post by carrieb on Oct 10, 2011 11:43:06 GMT -5
Every web story mentioning Adams tweets about his new music have a link in the comments saying something like "hey I can't wait for his new CD out in November' and the link takes them to that Beg-website. Real classy trolling...and we know about that. I see that on Amazon page for BFM, after all of the clearly negative threads telling people not to buy, someone posted a new one, "This is the real AL". People did comment back to deny that statement, but it's now the top comment on that page. So someone is busy trolling. |
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