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Post by Q3 on Jul 19, 2020 17:17:56 GMT -5
I just realized reading the thread that I have not re-upped my membership in ALF. Not really intentional, it just did not seem that important to me right now. I have been an ALF fanclub member for many years -- even recently when very little was happening. And I have supported almost everything Adam does -- including FS Foundation. I agree it is a good way to support Adam but I don't really see it as essential to being a fan. Although, I will join soonish.
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Post by JustKaren on Jul 19, 2020 17:19:01 GMT -5
I too joined the renewed fan club the minute he announced it. I figured that's the least we can do to show appreciation for what he has given us and at the same time support what may lie ahead. I see the ridiculously low fee as an invitation for pretty much anybody to be able to join, and I can imagine that in return the fan club numbers could be one indicator for Adam to get an idea how many dedicated fans he actually has. I agree that we should support his FS foundation as much as we can. I can imagine that it's a lot for some between BLM donations and political campaigns, but even a little bit helps. The note under your Avatar reads: "Adam fan since Idol. I wish I would have kept a log of the countless concerts that I have attended." It's too bad you didn't, as I'm sure you would be shocked at the numbers. I know you have been to many of the concerts and events I have attended, and my log shows I have seen Adam 53 times, 17 of those with Queen. And I know there are many fans who have seen him many more times than I have! When anyone says I'm crazy to go to see the same performer that many times, I ask them how many times they have watched Monday Night football, or any other sport they enjoy ...
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Post by Q3 on Jul 19, 2020 17:20:22 GMT -5
Since I was tagged into the discussion today I though I might chip in for once. First: I think most fans that share information on Twitter already agree that the exclusive content shouldn't be posted on Twitter completely. From what I saw Gelly was the only one who posted the full video of the new thing Adam recorded. That video was shared one time, but for the rest I didn't see that full video posted. There are other ways to tell fans there is exclusive info available on the Fan Club member page than posting the whole thing freely on Twitter. I can't say anything about Instagram as I don't search there. Second: Posting it as Exclusive Fan content means that Adam wants it to be for the fans that are members on the site. And even though Adam doesn't post it himself, his team doesn't do anything without his approval. So if Shosh hints that she isn't happy with the reposting I translate that to that Adam isn't happy with the reposting. Adam hires them to do what is best for him. Third: I believe the fan exclusives have more purposes than only building his fan base. It's not like he suddenly gets more fans because of these exclusives. Those that signed up on his site were mostly fans already, but just weren't members yet. The tally since 14 June is now about 1,500 new memberships on the site. The total amount of members is 43,683 right now, but a lot of those haven't logged in in years. I believe that one of the purposes is also to see where his fans are and how they respond to these things. Data like that is very important. Adam's team gets data already from several sources: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Spotify, other streaming services. They all provide data about when people engaged, how many and where people are from. Data we don't see with our private accounts, but will be provided to him because he has a verified / business account on these platforms. All these platforms however already mess with that data a bit. They put them through their own filter and will give the data they think the artists need. His own website however is something that Adam can control completely himself. His team can probably see detailed information from every person who visits the site. From where they are from to how many pages they visited and how long they stayed on that page. It is essential for Adam's team to know this data as it will show them what fans like, where his fans are and it will be input for other actions to come and probably also input to where he will spend money for promo and such. Adam isn't with a major label anymore with unlimited resources and he and his team will need to chose where to put the effort. They already did that in the promo for Velvet by concentrating on the US, the UK, Germany and Australia. So with all this in mind it is very important that fans view the content he shares on his site and not on fan reposts. Adam doesn't get any data from those reposts. Which means that every time a fan watched Gelly's upload instead of Adam's own video they don't give him data that they are interested in his content. Which could potentially lead to him not visiting the region they are from (worst case scenario). Gelly had 10,000 views on her message about the fan club revamp while Adam had 1,700 views. She also has over 6,000 views on the latest video Adam shared about the new video he recorded while Adam has 1,700 views. I hope people understand now why this is a problem. Thanks for the excellent explanation and the numbers really tell the story.
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Post by pi on Jul 19, 2020 17:21:22 GMT -5
Since I was tagged into the discussion today I though I might chip in for once. It is essential for Adam's team to know this data as it will show them what fans like, where his fans are and it will be input for other actions to come and probably also input to where he will spend money for promo and such. Adam isn't with a major label anymore with unlimited resources and he and his team will need to chose where to put the effort. They already did that in the promo for Velvet by concentrating on the US, the UK, Germany and Australia. So with all this in mind it is very important that fans view the content he shares on his site and not on fan reposts. Adam doesn't get any data from those reposts. Which means that every time a fan watched Gelly's upload instead of Adam's own video they don't give him data that they are interested in his content. Which could potentially lead to him not visiting the region they are from (worst case scenario). Gelly had 10,000 views on her message about the fan club revamp while Adam had 1,700 views. She also has over 6,000 views on the latest video Adam shared about the new video he recorded while Adam has 1,700 views. I hope people understand now why this is a problem. Welcome back! Good to see you posting! I wasn't sure if viewing gelly's video was totally separate from Adam's, or if watching her video was somehow connected to his video.. Now you've made it clear, and I appreciate the information. Shoshanna has also made it clear that it's a problem.
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Post by nonotme on Jul 19, 2020 17:31:03 GMT -5
If, indeed, the fan club is gathering important data that can be used in planning, I have a selfish (rhetorical) question. Does that mean that in the future (post covid) the choice of locations for live Adam solo shows could be affected by data from the fan club? LOL Well, that's motivating... I'll have to remember to check in there more often.
peace&love
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Post by pi on Jul 19, 2020 17:38:07 GMT -5
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Post by skaschep on Jul 19, 2020 17:45:43 GMT -5
If, indeed, the fan club is gathering important data that can be used in planning, I have a selfish (rhetorical) question. Does that mean that in the future (post covid) the choice of locations for live Adam solo shows could be affected by data from the fan club? LOL Well, that's motivating... I'll have to remember to check in there more often. peace&love I am pretty sure all the data combined that they get from all the sources together will be information they will use for planning future shows. His website is just one of those sources. That has always been the case I imagine. If his data shows no-one from for instance Ontario is listening to his music, visiting his website or other pages he gets data from they will not go there. That's just common sense.
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Post by svca on Jul 19, 2020 17:45:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation, Skaschep...I do understand the concerns over numbers, etc. I adore Gelly for what she does for the fandom, but sometimes we're our own worst enemy (or Adam's). We always talk about his numbers, his views, his plays, but then we undermine him by posting stuff we shouldn't or posting it prematurely. I really don't believe it's with malice. We just all get excited to any and all things Adam. I confess that for myself, I don't usually pay attention when a video is posted who the source is, and just click and watch. My mind is not on numbers or other info, I just want to see the video.
I've been making much more of an effort to watch all his videos on his YT channel specifically, for that reason.
And I'll be signing up for the new fanclub...I've just been a little bit intimidated by the reports of all the problems. I'm easily frustrated by computer issues lol.
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Post by dominica on Jul 19, 2020 17:47:01 GMT -5
I've renewed my membership - it was pretty easy. I'm sorry others are having problems - wish I could be of help. As for what is posted and where - be it 'fan site privileged information' or not . . . Adam is a public figure. His fansite is bait. I feel that EVERYTHING Adam posts is fan material. That includes photos, instagrams, texts, and certainly, 'exculsive' fan site information. I rarely speak to anything Adam might say or feel - because, even after 10+ years, I don't really know the man - but I'm sure, with his intelligence and forethought, he has learned how to keep PRIVATE what he wants to keep private. He knows how to keep EXCLUSIVE the things he wants to be truly exclusive. If something 'leaks' it's meant to leak; or, in the scheme of things, it doesn't really matter. Those who have searched the internet for Adam news have done this fansite a favor. We look for every tidbit of information about Adam. Gelly and others have been a lifeline during periods of just about nothing. Adam can take care of himself - we all know that. If there's something he doesn't want 'out there' I promise you, even today, we will know nothing about it. Has being a fan disposed us to wanting everything, but only in the 'right' way? We have so much to celebrate and support - including Adam's fansite and the FS Foundation. We can hope to win a lunch; or bid on a concert jacket; or even drive by his home in Hollywood . . . it's no secret. He's still somewhat an open book, and we are lucky to find a chapter that speaks to us. Amen. One of the most useful post. Thank you. I’m not in this fandom for long but I remember the times when Adam posted nothing same Sosh and Gelly was the main source of news. Without her we will get nothing at all. His team can’t keep him interesting for a long time. As I’ve noticed this fandom is very patient and don’t mind waiting for another album 5 years or more. What in the meantime?
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Post by momtomany on Jul 19, 2020 17:57:57 GMT -5
Since I was tagged into the discussion today I though I might chip in for once. It is essential for Adam's team to know this data as it will show them what fans like, where his fans are and it will be input for other actions to come and probably also input to where he will spend money for promo and such. Adam isn't with a major label anymore with unlimited resources and he and his team will need to chose where to put the effort. They already did that in the promo for Velvet by concentrating on the US, the UK, Germany and Australia. So with all this in mind it is very important that fans view the content he shares on his site and not on fan reposts. Adam doesn't get any data from those reposts. Which means that every time a fan watched Gelly's upload instead of Adam's own video they don't give him data that they are interested in his content. Which could potentially lead to him not visiting the region they are from (worst case scenario). Gelly had 10,000 views on her message about the fan club revamp while Adam had 1,700 views. She also has over 6,000 views on the latest video Adam shared about the new video he recorded while Adam has 1,700 views. I hope people understand now why this is a problem. Welcome back! Good to see you posting! I wasn't sure if viewing gelly's video was totally separate from Adam's, or if watching her video was somehow connected to his video.. Now you've made it clear, and I appreciate the information. Shoshanna has also made it clear that it's a problem. I think that 'Adam's People' need to pay attention to Gelly, and others who have created followers that represent Adam in a way no $10 fansite can. They need to look at the numbers and incorporate them; not ignore them!
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