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Post by Jablea on Jul 26, 2020 17:54:46 GMT -5
The dividing lines in the US are very stark. One poll showed 50% of the people don't care who the democratic candidate is there's no way they'll vote for HeWhoCannot amed. I suppose there were quite a few 4 years ago who felt somewhat the same way about Hillary. I'm on the NextDoor app which people only get on if they are in a neighborhood and invited. Bit harder to be a bot there as at times addresses can even be found. The vitriol is real, entrenched, and nobody is budging. And it's about every issue. There's nothing out there right now that both sides can agree on (at least not the vocal ones). Is social media to blame? I didn't use to dislike so many actual people, I could just dislike the leaders. That's not as easy anymore.
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Post by sizzling63 on Jul 26, 2020 18:00:07 GMT -5
I left a supportive comment yesterday, without engaging, and then I read through some of the negativity. It really is hard to believe that Adam would have so many fans that are HeWhoCannot amed supporters, so your suspicion (and that of others) seems right on. Of course it all reads like they are real fans who like Adam for his voice, but disapprove of him supporting Biden. Maybe Adam should have thought twice before he posted to his fans that if they didn't agree with him politically he didn't want them for fans.... What do you mean? He made it clear that he didn't need negative energy from so called "fans" who criticize him for voicing his political beliefs. He doesn't need them, and he doesn't want them. I get the vibe that Adam knows exactly what he is doing, and there is no doubt in my mind that he needed didn't need to think about his actions twice.
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Post by sizzling63 on Jul 26, 2020 18:26:16 GMT -5
The dividing lines in the US are very stark. One poll showed 50% of the people don't care who the democratic candidate is there's no way they'll vote for HeWhoCannot amed. I suppose there were quite a few 4 years ago who felt somewhat the same way about Hillary. I'm on the NextDoor app which people only get on if they are in a neighborhood and invited. Bit harder to be a bot there as at times addresses can even be found. The vitriol is real, entrenched, and nobody is budging. And it's about every issue. There's nothing out there right now that both sides can agree on (at least not the vocal ones). Is social media to blame? I didn't use to dislike so many actual people, I could just dislike the leaders. That's not as easy anymore. We are experiencing unprecedented times that can not be compared to any normal political landscape, and for me it is no surprise that there are strong opinions opposing each other. The fact that there are only two parties to choose from doesn't help either. I hope that in the not too distant future there will be more of a dialogue as we are beginning to heal.
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Post by ceecee on Jul 26, 2020 18:29:36 GMT -5
Trolls don't show up just on facebook...just saying. I hope you aren't insinuating I'm a troll. I have been a fan of Adam's since he was on Idol and have posted here off and on since then. I know what Adam's belief's are and I respect them but I wish he could have a little respect for what others believe. I don't see what music has to do with politics, but apparently Adam wants every fan of his music to be in political lockstep with his politics. This used to be a diverse place where people could share opinions and enjoy Adam's music, now the number of people posting here has dwindled down to fifteen or twenty a day and everyone has the same opinion on nearly everything. It seems like many interesting people have been chased away over the years and now Adam is telling fans he doesn't want them if they don't agree with him on everything. Hope you all have fun talking to each other only hearing what you want to hear and agreeing with Adam on everything like a bunch of good soldiers.
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Post by lurleene on Jul 26, 2020 18:29:48 GMT -5
Adam showed how little the negative comments meant to him (by those who want to think he should believe what they believe) by showing support and performing for the Biden campaign. If a message was sent to him about his beliefs, I guess he ignored their advice, after slapping them away of course, lol. Anyone surprised about that? Trolls and bots are the least of his worries. "Fans" who don't want him to have and voice an opinion, that differs from theirs, are out of luck. Adam is more than a musician. He is a person like the rest of us. There is no requirement that he should align his beliefs with some right wingers who don't care about his well being and right to exist or have an opinion. So let them waste their time by posting negative comments on Facebook. It changes nothing for him. People are free to discriminate or support those that do. Adam is free to disagree with them and not look for their support. As a fan, I'm proud of Adam for taking a stand and showing support for someone he thinks will be best for him and for the country. That is all we can really ask of him. Not to go along just to get along.
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Post by sizzling63 on Jul 26, 2020 18:35:20 GMT -5
Trolls don't show up just on facebook...just saying. I hope you aren't insinuating I'm a troll. I have been a fan of Adam's since he was on Idol and have posted here off and on since then. I know what Adam's belief's are and I respect them but I wish he could have a little respect for what others believe. I don't see what music has to do with politics, but apparently Adam wants every fan of his music to be in political lockstep with his politics. This used to be a diverse place where people could share opinions and enjoy Adam's music, now the number of people posting here has dwindled down to fifteen or twenty a day and everyone has the same opinion on nearly everything. It seems like many interesting people have been chased away over the years and now Adam is telling fans he doesn't want them if they don't agree with him on everything. Hope you all have fun talking to each other only hearing what you want to hear and agreeing with Adam on everything like a bunch of good soldiers. My two cents... artists are a reflection of our collective soul. If you live in a different universe, you don't have to listen to him. As easy as that.
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Post by svca on Jul 26, 2020 18:41:46 GMT -5
Music and politics... I don't think that's a new combination.
And I agree that you don't have to follow him. To be honest, if he were a devotee of HeWhoCannot amed, I would most likely be out of here too.
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Post by sizzling63 on Jul 26, 2020 18:45:48 GMT -5
A bit OTT here, so mods please delete if not appropriate. But as we are talking about devisiveness in this country and political groups fighting each other, I thought of this Trevor Noah interview that was shown on CBS this morning, I believe. He talks about the lack of nuance at about the 3 minute mark, so feel free to fast forward to that part if you like. However, I suggest to watch the whole 7 minute interview as it contains a segment from his "Daily Social Distancing Show" where he freely and powerfully talks for 20 min about BLM and inequality. His point is, that we are not experiencing isolated events - one thing affects the other and everything is interconnected. I am fascinated by this man's intelligence, sharp wit, and comedic talent. No surprise that Adam follows him and likes many of his posts. youtu.be/aJifPiLIwv8
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Post by katycake on Jul 26, 2020 19:00:28 GMT -5
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Post by girldrummer on Jul 26, 2020 19:01:06 GMT -5
I love Trevor Noah. He is so smart and perceptive. I just read his book, "Born A Crime," about his life growing up in South Africa. It's a must-read, IMO. And it also brings out his wonderful sense of humor along with the serious issues of life in SA.
And I just heard that Adam will be singing READY TO RUN on the Biden thing. I am THRILLED! I love that song so much. ONe of my favorites on Velvet. Perfect for this event. Sassy and blues and with a great lyric hook. Would be great if Biden used it on his campaign trail.
As for Adam's political views, I think singers have been singing songs about political issues forever. Folk music has been a huge contributor but so has rock and rap, etc. Protest songs of the '60s, songs about all kinds of social issues. Lots of singers make their political views public. Adam isn't alone in that regard. This is an especially polarizing time in politics, too, maybe more than ever before in our history. Many of us can barely talk to certain friends or relatives now because of politics. It used to be that we could speak to people of all political beliefs and it could be a sane, thoughtful discussion. No more.
I don't think fans have left this site because of politics necessary. I just think over time people have drifted to Twitter, Inst, etc. I would hate to think that someone would leave the fandom due to Adam's views. If that's true, it's too bad. Our political beliefs reflect who we are in our souls, for good or ill.
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