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Post by pi on Dec 15, 2020 20:40:38 GMT -5
Favorite Pop Albums 2020
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Post by pi on Dec 15, 2020 20:48:46 GMT -5
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Post by pi on Dec 15, 2020 20:52:42 GMT -5
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 15, 2020 21:41:17 GMT -5
I don't really care what she's alluding to, to me it's like remarking on someone's picture "I don't know why people keep saying you're ugly, I think you're pretty". Is that supposed to make that person feel good? In my opinion, this analogy is way off the mark as it is about someone's personal appearance rather than about the product that they produce for customer consumption. If I posted on this forum that I didn't like Taylor Swift, most people here would naturally assume that I meant that I didn't like her music and/or her voice, not that I did not like her as a person. As far as I can tell, she seems to mostly be a nice person. And I would bet that no one here would be upset that I said I didn't like Taylor Swift or think that it was akin to calling her ugly. Likewise, I do not see that people should take this person's Twitter comment about not understanding why people don't like Adam as being anything else but about people not liking his music or not having heard is music.
Different people have very different tastes in music. I remember the last vacation trip that I made with my Dad & siblings to the mountains of Colorado, I think the summer after the GNT. We were going to be making several hours long drives around Colorado, so I gleefully brought my FYE CD along to play in the car. No one but me wanted to listen to it! They all said that they did not like Adam's "screeching". Of course I had a very different opinion and I didn't like all the George Thorogood CDs they brought. The only CD that we could all agree on was a Bobby Darin greatest hits CD (great big band swing Foxtrot music), so that got played the most in the car.
A few years later I was visiting my Dad at his house and installing a bunch of music on his computer. I had Adam's "Acoustic Live" CD playing through the computer into my Dad's 5 speaker audio system that I had given him for Christmas. Dad walked into the room while Adam was singing the acoustic version of Whataya Want From Me. He asked me who was singing and when I told him Adam Lambert, Dad said that he was going to have to revise his opinion of Adam. This was the type of music from Adam that Dad could love!
My point is, not everyone like's all of Adam's music and it should not be a despised thing for someone to say. For many people, in the US especially, their opinion of Adam's music was formed early during AI and the year afterward. And many have not heard much of his music since. But when you hear Adam sing his beautiful versions of Believe, Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas, and Please Come Home For Christmas, songs that most everyone knows, how can people not like Adam!!!
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Post by svca on Dec 15, 2020 22:02:36 GMT -5
Ok, you totally missed the point of my post, but I'm done.
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Post by loxie on Dec 15, 2020 22:28:18 GMT -5
svca, I think that comments about a performer that start out with a put down or that the person is not looked upon as successful by others is a negative comment- even if the person saying this feels the performer deserves better. It's like a passive aggressive insult. By bringing up the negative, that's where the reader goes. If you like someone, say, "I like that person" and leave the derogatory or the comparative opinions regarding their popularity or success out of the conversation.
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Post by svca on Dec 15, 2020 22:29:48 GMT -5
svca , I think that comments about a performer that start out with a put down or that the person is not looked upon as successful by others is a negative comment- even if the person saying this feels the performer deserves better. It's like a passive aggressive insult. By bringing up the negative, that's where the reader goes. If you like someone, say, "I like that person" and leave the derogatory or the comparative opinions regarding their popularity or success out of the conversation. Ding, ding, ding....exactly my point.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Dec 15, 2020 22:49:26 GMT -5
svca , I think that comments about a performer that start out with a put down or that the person is not looked upon as successful by others is a negative comment- even if the person saying this feels the performer deserves better. It's like a passive aggressive insult. By bringing up the negative, that's where the reader goes. If you like someone, say, "I like that person" and leave the derogatory or the comparative opinions regarding their popularity or success out of the conversation. My point is that it is not a put down. It is a statement of fact. There are people who don't like Adam Lambert (his music) and it is not a negative thing to say so. It is about personal preference. And Adam has said a number of times that he is not everyone's cup of tea and that is fine with him.
This reminds me of a Russian Latin dance instructor that I had. He used to tell me that in the US you have to tell clients 2 good things about their dancing before you could very gingerly tell them 1 bad thing about their dancing. He said in Russian people would be upset if you spent their lesson time telling them about the 2 good things because they are paying to hear how to improve their dancing not to be praised. People in the US tend to be more likely to take as an offense anything that can be perceived as being a negative or a put down than in other places in the world.
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Post by loxie on Dec 15, 2020 23:15:09 GMT -5
Do fans of other artists/performers make comments that compare their artist to others that say they are not as popular as they should be on their artists' fan sites? Maybe this is a common practice, I don't know. I, personally, don't like these underhanded compliments.
An instructor, however, is supposed to be critical and teach the student. How the criticism is presented is an entirely different matter.
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Post by cleopatra on Dec 16, 2020 0:17:18 GMT -5
Before I say anything more, obligatory disclaimer forthcoming: I think Adam has achieved a level of success most performers can only dream of, and most would be absolutely thrilled to attain. Maintaining a career at his level for over a decade is no small accomplishment. Nothing that follows means I believe otherwise.
Okay. The wording of the tweet that started this discussion is unfortunate. No question. But I have to confess I'm a lot less triggered by the "underrated" comments than many, if not most, of you seem to be. It beats "overrated" all to hell. To me, it means the writer/speaker believes Adam's talent warrants the radio play, the awards show performances, the huge concerts, the opportunities that elite A-List artists receive. No matter how successful Adam is, as a solo artist he isn't at that level. He just isn't. How often have fans expressed the wish that Adam's wonderful music would find more of an audience beyond the Glambert bubble? How often have they wanted to see him strut his stuff at the Grammys or the AMAs, particularly with nominations to accompany the performances? How often have they wished that hearing him on the radio would be so commonplace that it wouldn't merit excited tweets every time it happened? Does that mean the fans wishing those things had happened or would happen for him believe he's a failure? I don't know, maybe some think that, but I doubt that's what most people mean. I can't help but smile a bit when I see a tweet from someone - usually a young person - saying something like "y'all are sleeping on him." They think he's great, but not enough people know it. There are worse things to say about people than that. I'd rather see that than, "Good grief, why is this guy everywhere when he absolutely sucks?"
Yes, Adam is keeping busy, and yes, he's getting to do some very cool things (not to mention the very cool things like the Vegas residency and the arena tour with Xtina that he lost). No argument from me at all on that score, although I'm willing to bet a fair percentage of the people calling him "underrated" have no idea of the many things he's done. For what it's worth, I'm actually encouraged by how diverse Adam's opportunities have been, particularly lately. I don't know how much is due to Adam's hard work over all these years paying off, and how much is due to more proactive management that is willing to look beyond the next QAL check, but I love to see it. If I were to look into my admittedly cloudy crystal ball, I would predict that it will be a not-strictly-musical opportunity that could prove to be a breakthrough and bring some much-deserved attention to his catalogue. For example, it's anyone's guess how "Starstruck" will play out in the UK, but if it works, it could do really good things for him there. I doubt the Netflix animated series will move the needle much in and of itself, but it's providing experience and connections that could be useful going forward. And who knows what else he has on tap? I'm looking forward to finding out.
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