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Post by whatyasay on Jan 13, 2012 20:05:04 GMT -5
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Post by pemd on Jan 13, 2012 20:07:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2012 20:08:57 GMT -5
I don't know how valid the reasoning is in this article, here is one explanation for this phenomenom: www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1299749/They-just-cayant-help-How-Wino-Jagger-sing-U-S-accent-natural-way-carry-tune.htmlETA: The article claims that an American accent is a more natural way to sing. Quote: "Sir Mick Jagger does it, Robert Plant does it, sometimes even Sir Elton John, Amy Winehouse and Annie Lennox do it. But the irritating habit British stars have of singing with an American accent may not be their fault. Linguistics researchers claim that singing with a U.S. twang is not simply an annoying affectation – but actually the most natural way to carry a tune." lt would be interesting to hear Cassie's POV on this. Don't know bout Brits singing like Americans or Americans singing like Brits. But, there are definitely ways of singing vowels that work better than others. Open vowels work best for chest voice (which is mostly what pop singers use). This is because you get the most full resonance from it. Take a deep breath and say a forceful AAAAAAAHHHHH! Do you feel the vibration in your chest? (you may feel it better if you also put an open palm on your chest.) Now do the same while saying ERRRRRRRRRR. Feels very different, right? Much less deep vibration. The sound is felt more in the roof of your mouth. Trained singers are taught to approximate that AH sound in vowels as much as possible, without distorting the word. The short vowels like in CAT, BED, SIT tend to dump the sound out of the sides of your mouth instead of focusing it in a resonant place. And diphthongs like in the words LIKE, OIL, NAME move from a more open, resonant vowel sound to a more closed one. LIKE is actually pronounced LAHEEK. OIL is AWEEL. The EEEE sound requires a very small mouth opening, hence less resonance in the chest and mouth. So the trained singer will sing LAHHHHHHEEK, AWWWWWWEEL. Does that sound American or British? Don't know. Did that help? Yes, thank you! |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Jan 13, 2012 20:11:34 GMT -5
Skylar, sorry, BB!! I wasn't talking about your request at all, but a general attitude that has long been debated since James was on Idol. Here, Twitter, MJs, blogs, psychology articles, etc. Saying "free pass," is kind of a blanket statement begging the question that just because a person has a challenge, should they be exempt from the scrutiny that others receive? I think everyone was giving their opinion on that very complicated subject. My hope is we here at Adamtopia can find a way to rise above other forums by not criticizing a person for, or defining a person by, (specifically) a behavior that they cannot change or that is directly sourced in a disability. Others out there do not know his struggle. We do, or at least we do now.    Love to everyone. I hold no bad feelings. I judge no one here. I just love being in an environment that is compassionate and kind. Thanks all. I understand what you are saying and you sound very kind, but I feel that there is cruelty in enabling a person in their bad behaviors. It is NOT kind to enable bad behaviors. As I said earlier, and I feel so fervently, any person with a mental disability or limitation of any kind can and should be held accountable for their behavior. James should be called on his crudeness and told that his disability, which I understand is slight, is not an excuse. I think he feels entitled to bad behavior and his disorder will always be his crutch or free card to be as ugly as he wants to be. I speak as one who deals with a family member who is mentally handicapped AND schizophrenic and this person is subject to consequences for bad behaviors. No excuses. Even these people understand socially acceptable behavior. To treat them otherwise is cruel and does them a disservice. Critiquing a performance is not wrong. Is James somehow above performance critiques? I think not. If he cannot handle critiques, perhaps he is in the wrong business. |
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Post by Q3 on Jan 13, 2012 20:11:56 GMT -5
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Post by skylar on Jan 13, 2012 20:16:39 GMT -5
My hope is we here at Adamtopia can find a way to rise above other forums by not criticizing a person for, or defining a person by, (specifically) a behavior that they cannot change or that is directly sourced in a disability. Others out there do not know his struggle. We do, or at least we do now. Love to everyone. I hold no bad feelings. I judge no one here. I just love being in an environment that is compassionate and kind. Thanks all. I understand what you are saying and you sound very kind, but I feel that there is cruelty in enabling a person in their bad behaviors. As I said earlier, and I feel so fervently, any person with a mental disability or limitation of any kind can and should be held accountable for their behavior. James should be called on his crudeness and told that his disability, which I understand is slight, is not an excuse. I think he feels entitled to bad behavior and his disorder will always be his crutch or free card to be as ugly as he wants to be. I speak as one who deals with a family member who is mentally handicapped AND schizophrenic and this person is subject to consequences for bad behaviors. No excuses. Even these people understand socially acceptable behavior. To treat them otherwise is cruel and does them a disservice. Critiquing a performance is not wrong. Is James somehow above performance critiques? I think not. Guess I come across as Hard-Hearted Hannah. Sorry but I speak the facts as I see them. Very interesting. My other brother has learning disabilities and Schizophrenia. I don't think we here need to be the ones to behavior mod James. I think there is plenty O that out there. I never once said don't critique his performance. |
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Post by mszue on Jan 13, 2012 20:17:06 GMT -5
I don't know how valid the reasoning is in this article, here is one explanation for this phenomenom: www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1299749/They-just-cayant-help-How-Wino-Jagger-sing-U-S-accent-natural-way-carry-tune.htmlETA: The article claims that an American accent is a more natural way to sing. Quote: "Sir Mick Jagger does it, Robert Plant does it, sometimes even Sir Elton John, Amy Winehouse and Annie Lennox do it. But the irritating habit British stars have of singing with an American accent may not be their fault. Linguistics researchers claim that singing with a U.S. twang is not simply an annoying affectation – but actually the most natural way to carry a tune." lt would be interesting to hear Cassie's POV on this. Don't know bout Brits singing like Americans or Americans singing like Brits. But, there are definitely ways of singing vowels that work better than others. Open vowels work best for chest voice (which is mostly what pop singers use). This is because you get the most full resonance from it. Take a deep breath and say a forceful AAAAAAAHHHHH! Do you feel the vibration in your chest? (you may feel it better if you also put an open palm on your chest.) Now do the same while saying ERRRRRRRRRR. Feels very different, right? Much less deep vibration. The sound is felt more in the roof of your mouth. Trained singers are taught to approximate that AH sound in vowels as much as possible, without distorting the word. The short vowels like in CAT, BED, SIT tend to dump the sound out of the sides of your mouth instead of focusing it in a resonant place. And diphthongs like in the words LIKE, OIL, NAME move from a more open, resonant vowel sound to a more closed one. LIKE is actually pronounced LAHEEK. OIL is AWEEL. The EEEE sound requires a very small mouth opening, hence less resonance in the chest and mouth. So the trained singer will sing LAHHHHHHEEK, AWWWWWWEEL. Does that sound American or British? Don't know. Did that help? I always get a kick out of when other singers...especially talent shows...sing Adam's Whataya want from me and use his way of singing 'me' with its dipthong...maaaaa eeeee.....that is something few pop singers do and part of how Adam's training is exemplified...:-) |
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Post by maria222pf on Jan 13, 2012 20:19:06 GMT -5
My hope is we here at Adamtopia can find a way to rise above other forums by not criticizing a person for, or defining a person by, (specifically) a behavior that they cannot change or that is directly sourced in a disability. Others out there do not know his struggle. We do, or at least we do now. Love to everyone. I hold no bad feelings. I judge no one here. I just love being in an environment that is compassionate and kind. Thanks all.
As I said earlier, and I feel so fervently, any person with a mental disability or limitation of any kind can and should be held accountable for their behavior.
James should be called on his crudeness and told that his disability, which I understand is slight, is not an excuse. I think he feels entitled to bad behavior and his disorder will always be his crutch or free card to be as ugly as he wants to be.
I speak as one who deals with a family member who is mentally handicapped AND schizophrenic and this person is subject to consequences for bad behaviors. No excuses.
Even these people understand socially acceptable behavior. To treat them otherwise is cruel and does them a disservice.
Critiquing a performance is not wrong. Is James somehow above performance critiques? I think not. If he cannot handle critiques, perhaps he is in the wrong business. ITA with this and will start scrolling any JD mentions |
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Post by adamrocks on Jan 13, 2012 20:21:27 GMT -5
OT But Paul Rogers who fronted Queen for a while is on VH1 Classic right now if anyone is interested. It's a slow day!
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