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Post by irish1139 on Feb 3, 2012 13:46:23 GMT -5
Are we going to be able to see videos of his showcase? I want to see how he did. Anyone know?
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Post by valilac on Feb 3, 2012 13:48:39 GMT -5
ShockUhDeliCA ^V^ FunkBert^V^ Glamberts, ManBerts and Lambertinis! @adamlambert’s BTIKM video made VH1’s main page! vh1.com2 minutes ago
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Post by luzrnaz on Feb 3, 2012 13:51:07 GMT -5
There could be added nuances of meaning in the notion that DARK Adam is the performer [and wearing his latest greatest performance w/Queen...as far as flamboyance goes] and the LIGHT is his very normal upbringing and non-performing self. Shows how the performer and the person are one albeit showing different sides of them self.....note the DARK Adam is showing all the stuff we KNOW of him..the make-up, the clothes, the skull, etc...just a thought...added layering of meaning...polysemic... ETA...not all we know of him but all the average non-stan fan knows of him....we, on the other hand, know him better than he knows himself! hahaha yes i thought it very interesting that dark adam is portrayed as the Adam we are most familiar with-- down to the jacket, medges, makeup, hair and even re-creation of his living space that he has tweeted out. Light Adam was an entirely new entity to us. I suppose this supports his claim of the autobiographical nature of the album and the appropriate introductary song-letting us get to know him better before he took us out to the club. (i am paraphrasing the tweet from the heatworld party yesterday, right?) I appreciate the deeper analysis of the video too. Adam Lambert is a thoughtful, creative, and compelling artist. gosh, l love him.
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Post by QueeenAl on Feb 3, 2012 13:51:12 GMT -5
Are we going to be able to see videos of his showcase? I want to see how he did. Anyone know? Thanks for translating my post into civilised speak!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 13:52:02 GMT -5
OK, have had more time to think about this brilliant video, this time from a Jungian perspective. In Jungian psychology this dark Adam would be called the shadow or "shadow aspect". The shadow is almost the same as Freud's concept of the unconscious mind. The shadow personifies everything that the subject refuses to acknowledge about himself. Like in the video, the less aware a person (light Adam) is of his own shadow side, the darker the shadow side is and/or becomes. Ignore the shadow at your own risk and the risk of those around you. However, Jung also believed that the shadow is the seat of creativity and for some, this shadow side represents a persons true life spirit. Again, ignore at your own risk. "Some Jungians maintain that 'The shadow contains, besides the personal shadow, the shadow of society ... fed by the neglected and repressed collective values'" - wikipedia In Jungian psychology, the process of individuation and true personal growth involves the dissolution of ones "persona" and the facing of ones own shadow side. If and when 'an individual makes an attempt to see his shadow, he becomes aware of (and often ashamed of) those qualities and impulses he denies in himself but can plainly see in others — such things as egotism, selfishness. This period of growth into a fuller personal authenticity is quite painful. When one starts to face one's shadow side one also is in danger of falling victim to the shadow, the blackness and the sense of inferiority. Great courage and strength are required to face ones shadow self and go through the process of individuation. What is interesting about this video is that the shadow reaches out to the conscious self. According to Jung for individuation to work, the conscious self has to be the one to reach out to the shadow/unconscious, not the other way around. Otherwise the conscious actually becomes the slave of the shadow. So according to Jung, this video would imply that conscious Adam has become the slave of his shadow. To truly assimilate the shadow we must become aware of and understand the shadow but not identify with it. We must not think that the shadow is who we are. If we think the shadow is who we are we can fall into depression and darkness. Reincorporating the shadow into our personality gives us strength and a wider consciousness. Integration of the shadow is the first step in individuation. Full individuation means a recognition of the anima for men and the animus for women. Recognition of the shadow is a continuous process throughout ones life. Shadows are not easy to accept. Skylar, this ^^^ and your earlier analysis rock! (As did NoAngel's). I am so enjoying reading everything today! This is all so interesting. I had not considered the extra layer of symbolism regarding society. It ties in in so many ways. One aspect that comes to mind is how the Internet has brought both the light and dark side of the human mind into our faces. (As in the comments controversy on Lyndsey's blog). Darkness in the fandom itself. How do we face this dark side? Back to the personal side. I can't see the Jungian meaning applying here (as far as the dark side "winning"). To me it seems that Dark Adam is begging for acceptance. His eyes are full of anger and desperation (when did Adam get to be such a good actor?!). But no matter what he does, he doesn't get the results he wants from Light Adam. Light Adam is a sweet guy ... but he doesn't seem to understand Dark Adam at all. As your analysis says, perhaps he doesn't really want to, because facing Dark Adam is too scary and shameful. He reacts with exasperation and even disgust to Dark Adam's escalating antics ... finally seeming to recognize the seriousness of the situation, he tries the chess game. He doesn't seem to realize that Dark Adam is tortured beyond the reach of reason. It is interesting to me that Dark Adam reels back as if afraid, as NoAngel said. ("If I give in to you, will you tame me and thus destroy what makes me unique?"). Again, as you said, a sort of answer to those who wondered/wonder why Adam cannot be more tame, more like everyone else. He destroys the gift of the pomegranate (BTW, so relieved to learn it was not a real heart!). He rejects the love he yearns for rather than be tamed. Instead he burns himself with the lighter and finally resorts to a mad mindless act that will destroy them both. What is amazing is when he then decides that he doesn't want Light Adam to die. He is ultimately the strong one -- Light Adam needs him as much as the reverse. That's fascinating! Love talking with you about this!
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Post by Coconutgrove0 on Feb 3, 2012 13:54:21 GMT -5
I'm so happy we have someone like Adam, otherwise I would have stopped listening to music and watching any kind of musice videos. Have to admit that music videos like this Madonna one does make me appreciate that fact even more.
There's no problem people making any kind of vids they like and other people watching them. But there's just nothing for me, took me many many years to start to follow up this pop music again, all because of Adam.
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Post by hoopla1 on Feb 3, 2012 13:54:56 GMT -5
: as it was in the beginning... THANK YOU VALILAC! THIS WAS THE BEGINNING FOR ME, TOO... When I finally chose a name so I could begin posting because I JUST COULD NOT BEAR NOT TO TALK ABOUT THIS GUY WITH OTHERS!! As the female interviewer said: "I LOVE THIS HOOPLA-MAN!"hoopla: a. Boisterous, jovial commotion or excitement. b. Extravagant publicity.Loving all the deep thoughts today, and LOVE THAT POP MESSIAH PIECE! But very far behind on this thread, so back to catching up
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 13:58:14 GMT -5
Just something I thought of whilst vacuuming -- Do you think they changed the release date on Adam's video so that it WOULD premiere the same day as Madonna's vid?
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Post by QueeenAl on Feb 3, 2012 13:58:17 GMT -5
OK, have had more time to think about this brilliant video, this time from a Jungian perspective. In Jungian psychology this dark Adam would be called the shadow or "shadow aspect". The shadow is almost the same as Freud's concept of the unconscious mind. The shadow personifies everything that the subject refuses to acknowledge about himself. Like in the video, the less aware a person (light Adam) is of his own shadow side, the darker the shadow side is and/or becomes. Ignore the shadow at your own risk and the risk of those around you. However, Jung also believed that the shadow is the seat of creativity and for some, this shadow side represents a persons true life spirit. Again, ignore at your own risk. "Some Jungians maintain that 'The shadow contains, besides the personal shadow, the shadow of society ... fed by the neglected and repressed collective values'" - wikipedia In Jungian psychology, the process of individuation and true personal growth involves the dissolution of ones "persona" and the facing of ones own shadow side. If and when 'an individual makes an attempt to see his shadow, he becomes aware of (and often ashamed of) those qualities and impulses he denies in himself but can plainly see in others — such things as egotism, selfishness. This period of growth into a fuller personal authenticity is quite painful. When one starts to face one's shadow side one also is in danger of falling victim to the shadow, the blackness and the sense of inferiority. Great courage and strength are required to face ones shadow self and go through the process of individuation. What is interesting about this video is that the shadow reaches out to the conscious self. According to Jung for individuation to work, the conscious self has to be the one to reach out to the shadow/unconscious, not the other way around. Otherwise the conscious actually becomes the slave of the shadow. So according to Jung, this video would imply that conscious Adam has become the slave of his shadow. To truly assimilate the shadow we must become aware of and understand the shadow but not identify with it. We must not think that the shadow is who we are. If we think the shadow is who we are we can fall into depression and darkness. Reincorporating the shadow into our personality gives us strength and a wider consciousness. Integration of the shadow is the first step in individuation. Full individuation means a recognition of the anima for men and the animus for women. Recognition of the shadow is a continuous process throughout ones life. Shadows are not easy to accept. Skylar, this ^^^ and your earlier analysis rock! (As did NoAngel's). I am so enjoying reading everything today! This is all so interesting. I had not considered the extra layer of symbolism regarding society. It ties in in so many ways. One aspect that comes to mind is how the Internet has brought both the light and dark side of the human mind into our faces. (As in the comments controversy on Lyndsey's blog). Darkness in the fandom itself. How do we face this dark side? Back to the personal side. I can't see the Jungian meaning applying here (as far as the dark side "winning"). To me it seems that Dark Adam is begging for acceptance. His eyes are full of anger and desperation (when did Adam get to be such a good actor?!). But no matter what he does, he doesn't get the results he wants from Light Adam. Light Adam is a sweet guy ... but he doesn't seem to understand Dark Adam at all. As your analysis says, perhaps he doesn't really want to, because facing Dark Adam is too scary and shameful. He reacts with exasperation and even disgust to Dark Adam's escalating antics ... finally seeming to recognize the seriousness of the situation, he tries the chess game. He doesn't seem to realize that Dark Adam is tortured beyond the reach of reason. It is interesting to me that Dark Adam reels back as if afraid, as NoAngel said. ("If I give in to you, will you tame me and thus destroy what makes me unique?"). Again, as you said, a sort of answer to those who wondered/wonder why Adam cannot be more tame, more like everyone else. He destroys the gift of the pomegranate (BTW, so relieved to learn it was not a real heart!). He rejects the love he yearns for rather than be tamed. Instead he burns himself with the lighter and finally resorts to a mad mindless act that will destroy them both. What is amazing is when he then decides that he doesn't want Light Adam to die. He is ultimately the strong one -- Light Adam needs him as much as the reverse. That's fascinating! Love talking with you about this! I don't think the media will ever get who the "Glamberts" are. On the one hand that angers me like anyone else. On the other I like it. No press/media etc. would ever take the time to appreciate the above as it deserves. Glamberts always will!!! ETA: THANK. YOU. BOTH. for voicing my thoughts so eloquently.
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Post by evergreen on Feb 3, 2012 13:59:22 GMT -5
OK, have had more time to think about this brilliant video, this time from a Jungian perspective. In Jungian psychology this dark Adam would be called the shadow or "shadow aspect". The shadow is almost the same as Freud's concept of the unconscious mind. The shadow personifies everything that the subject refuses to acknowledge about himself. Like in the video, the less aware a person (light Adam) is of his own shadow side, the darker the shadow side is and/or becomes. Ignore the shadow at your own risk and the risk of those around you. However, Jung also believed that the shadow is the seat of creativity and for some, this shadow side represents a persons true life spirit. Again, ignore at your own risk. "Some Jungians maintain that 'The shadow contains, besides the personal shadow, the shadow of society ... fed by the neglected and repressed collective values'" - wikipedia In Jungian psychology, the process of individuation and true personal growth involves the dissolution of ones "persona" and the facing of ones own shadow side. If and when 'an individual makes an attempt to see his shadow, he becomes aware of (and often ashamed of) those qualities and impulses he denies in himself but can plainly see in others — such things as egotism, selfishness. This period of growth into a fuller personal authenticity is quite painful. When one starts to face one's shadow side one also is in danger of falling victim to the shadow, the blackness and the sense of inferiority. Great courage and strength are required to face ones shadow self and go through the process of individuation. What is interesting about this video is that the shadow reaches out to the conscious self. According to Jung for individuation to work, the conscious self has to be the one to reach out to the shadow/unconscious, not the other way around. Otherwise the conscious actually becomes the slave of the shadow. So according to Jung, this video would imply that conscious Adam has become the slave of his shadow. To truly assimilate the shadow we must become aware of and understand the shadow but not identify with it. We must not think that the shadow is who we are. If we think the shadow is who we are we can fall into depression and darkness. Reincorporating the shadow into our personality gives us strength and a wider consciousness. Integration of the shadow is the first step in individuation. Full individuation means a recognition of the anima for men and the animus for women. Recognition of the shadow is a continuous process throughout ones life. Shadows are not easy to accept. Skylar, this ^^^ and your earlier analysis rock! (As did NoAngel's). I am so enjoying reading everything today! This is all so interesting. I had not considered the extra layer of symbolism regarding society. It ties in in so many ways. One aspect that comes to mind is how the Internet has brought both the light and dark side of the human mind into our faces. (As in the comments controversy on Lyndsey's blog). Darkness in the fandom itself. How do we face this dark side? Back to the personal side. I can't see the Jungian meaning applying here (as far as the dark side "winning"). To me it seems that Dark Adam is begging for acceptance. His eyes are full of anger and desperation (when did Adam get to be such a good actor?!). But no matter what he does, he doesn't get the results he wants from Light Adam. Light Adam is a sweet guy ... but he doesn't seem to understand Dark Adam at all. As your analysis says, perhaps he doesn't really want to, because facing Dark Adam is too scary and shameful. He reacts with exasperation and even disgust to Dark Adam's escalating antics ... finally seeming to recognize the seriousness of the situation, he tries the chess game. He doesn't seem to realize that Dark Adam is tortured beyond the reach of reason. It is interesting to me that Dark Adam reels back as if afraid, as NoAngel said. ("If I give in to you, will you tame me and thus destroy what makes me unique?"). Again, as you said, a sort of answer to those who wondered/wonder why Adam cannot be more tame, more like everyone else. He destroys the gift of the pomegranate (BTW, so relieved to learn it was not a real heart!). He rejects the love he yearns for rather than be tamed. Instead he burns himself with the lighter and finally resorts to a mad mindless act that will destroy them both. What is amazing is when he then decides that he doesn't want Light Adam to die. He is ultimately the strong one -- Light Adam needs him as much as the reverse. That's fascinating! Love talking with you about this! Sooo - will this video become part of the course curriculum in any number of schools? :
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