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Post by reihmer on Feb 22, 2012 0:35:49 GMT -5
Fun art animated.
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Post by bullsfan on Feb 22, 2012 0:44:58 GMT -5
Obviously, homophobia is an issue, I would never argue that it isn't a factor. But I just don't think it plays that big a role when you are talking about major market HAC and CHR stations. My HAC station, WTMX in Chicago, has Johnny Weir on frequently during their morning show as some kind of celebrity consultant, and they love him. I don't work for radio or RCA, so of course I'm only specualting, but I think the fact that Adam is from Idol is, perhaps, his biggest obstacle right now. I also think Adam being a white male trying to break into dance heavy/rap heavy/ R&B heavy CHR is possibly a bigger issue, as well.
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Post by virg1877 on Feb 22, 2012 0:45:37 GMT -5
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Post by Q3 on Feb 22, 2012 0:48:42 GMT -5
Adam is getting plenty of radio airtime -- what is not getting airtime is a song he recorded -- and did not write or produce. JMHO BTIKM is struggling on radio because it has no hook, has dated production and is not selling very much.
Fan support is essential to getting airplay but it will only get a song so far.
Most singles released by the major labels do not even get this far on the charts.
I am certain that we will get another, betterer single.
ETA: The CHR station in Tupelo, MS -- the town that did not broadcast the 2010 Adam on Oprah episode, the home of American Family Radio added and played WWFM and IIHY. If a gay artist can get played in Tupelo, blaming the lack of airplay for BTIKM on bigotry makes no sense.
And look at the stations who have added BTIKM -- a ton of red state, small town strung across the bible belt.
The reality is that Z100 did not add the song. Without Z100 or KIIS or a few major market PDs supporting the song, it has no shot.
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Post by Catzmadam on Feb 22, 2012 0:52:12 GMT -5
Really, really late to this, but.....  Thrilled that you have joined Atop gurl and added to our Kiwi contingent here. This is an awesome place, full of fun, wisdom, love, glitter organic/arty/crafty stuff, angsting (use scroll as required  ), knowledge, flailing, squeeing and Adam EVERYTHING 24/7. The ninjas here are second to none in this fandom. I stand in awe on a daily basis of their skills!  VecAdam is a fully fledged NZGlitterTribe member and BSC Adam fan who I have had the pleasure of meeting and flailing with many, many times. Luvz ya bb  Also a BIG HUGE welcome too to all other de-lurkers that have joined recently - welcome aboard the...  It's always such a thrill to see the newbies join in ;D Eri9 - thank you soooooooo..... much for the heads up earlier in the thread about other Kiwi nutjobs fans who are seriously thinking about going to Knebworth. I fair fell off my perch when I realised that I wasn't the only certifiable Kiwi thinking of going. I missed your post here and VecAdam's tweet to me last night about it and so therefore spent a sporadic night tossing and turning about the whole thing thinking it was just gonna be me attempting the EPIC. Knowing that there are other equally insane Kiwi fans out there is ~oddly comforting ...lollolololllllllllll  I just got off the phone to VecAdam, who was racing to go out somewhere this evening, but we managed to share some thoughts about it all. We both know that it is insane - yup, but.... Stay tuned Atop.... the 42 going from here might just have four more peeps from downunder joining y'all 8-) 8-) 8-) Oh, and a BTW fyi... Lucy Lawless - Xena Warrior Princess herself, is also a Kiwi lass who grew up not far from where I live. KIWI chicks RAWK *tee hee* |
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Post by rihannsu on Feb 22, 2012 0:52:59 GMT -5
Well I take it to mean that someone doesn't want the song played. People always assume that Adam broke any barriers in radio because WWFM and IIHY got played. I call bullshit. The fact that the played those songs just gives them cover and a way to skirt around things. From the tone of that post and his statement that he won't say anything else I wonder if there isn't MORE resistance to Adam within radio rather than less. Given the conservative nature of radio and the volatile political climate with respect to LGBT I am not surprised. Radio to my seems to be playing the game of "cover my ass" with respect to Adam. They give him just enough headway to forestall claims of homophobia but they can also find endless excuses to not really jump on the bandwagon. While we know about the complaints to ABC and the FCC about the AMA's we have no way of knowing what kind of feedback these radio stations are getting in response to his songs. Given the amount of homophobia rampant in public comment sections isn't it naive to think that the homophobes aren't complaining to radio stations too? Also, these "moral majority" campaigners have a long standing operating procedure of targeting advertisers with complaints. It seems very easy for many to dismiss the idea of homophobia simply because WWFM and IIHY got played, but both of these songs had to struggle to get where they did and we have no idea exactly how hard RCA had to push to get them where they did. If this is true, what would explain the resistance of Canada and Europe in playing BTIKM? Are they homophobic also? BTIKM is not catching on the way WWFM or even FYE did in the countries outside of the US. Maybe the problem is the song and not the artist. If RCA could push WWFM and IIHY, why couldn't they do the same for BTIKM? YMMV but I don't think the song has had enough exposure anywhere to say that the song itself is the problem. It has barely gotten enough spins anywhere to get any kind of reliable feedback on it. Whatever the reasons and yes those reasons can be different for as many different places as there are the song isn't getting very much in the way of spins. But just given the evidence of the sales bumps after Ellen and Leno I find it hard to believe it is the song. Ellen and Leno gave respectable sales bumps much larger than those shows generally give for songs that don't also have a radio presence but there wasn't enough follow up to that to keep the song visible. But I'd like to point out that I am NOT saying that homophobia is the ONLY factor or even a MAJOR factor but to say it not having ANY effect to me is either willful blindness or wishful thinking. Racism is still a factor in our society and women have not WON the battle for equality. Yes these things are not blatant but they are still pervasive. I don't see how anyone can think homophobia has no effect on Adam's career. |
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Post by ksha518 on Feb 22, 2012 0:56:00 GMT -5
I dunno rihannsu....that theory wouldn't explain the significant drop off of spins in Canada. Adam might be fighting prejudice here in the States, but I don't think it's the reason the single is losing ground up there..... Canada's dropoff might be due to RCA not giving them any attention. Adam seems to have done very little promo in Canada. They supported early but maybe didn't feel they got enough promo reward and were dropping back holding out for more attention which if RCA has decided not to push BTIKM they may not get till album drop. I don't know any more than anyone else but the reasons don't have to be the same. There are SO many factors that go in to making a song take off on radio that none of us watching from the outside can ever really know what went wrong. Hell most of the time the labels and the artists don't know what went wrong. It seems to me that so far the majority of Adam's promo started out focused on the UK/Europe. Maybe Canada feels slighted after not really getting much in the way of GNT tour dates, who knows. I just think that too many people are being too quick to discount the effect of homophobia with respect to US radio simply because it is not blatant. I stopped listening to radio for years because the level of misogyny and homophobia and even racist behavior was off the charts for me. When I first moved to Florida I had an hour comute to work and tried to find a radio station to listen to for the drive. I listened to every station I could get and only found 1 that didn't have nasty, misogynistic, homophobic assholes as DJ's. That station was a Classic Hits station and I only switched to our top 40 station in order to support Adam. The morning DJ is black and much more tolerable but even he has a kind of knee jerk homophobia to him but he at least TRIES not to be a complete ass and he does support LGBT community. But he personally is totally squicked out by "the gay". My response was mostly about what I felt RCAEd was trying to convey and given some of his other veiled comments in the past I have always felt that Adam's progress on radio was much harder come by than any of us thought. This is what my gut is telling me and over the years I have gotten in more trouble ignoring my gut instincts than I have in following them. I honestly think that RCA signed Adam knowing that Radio would be a serious problem. I think the fact that Adam is so much of a visual artist in addition to his voice is what will be his saving grace. I just feel that they always knew radio could not be the main aspect of his presentation. Some of RCAEd's past comments made it sound like they had to convince Adam it was even worth the effort to try. I know Adam wants radio hits but I don't think Adam was ever under the illusion that it would be easy. Rihannsu, really enjoyed this post as well as your previous one. I have no idea what is really true in this situation, but you make a lot of sense to me. I seem to always anticipate Adam suddenly 'taking off' on radio, but then not only does it NOT happen, but in fact it seemed easier the last era. But as you said, he has so many other things going for him -- his live and televised performances and videos, his visual artistry, his charisma onstage and in interviews -- that it makes radio not quite so essential (although clearly still important). About Canada -- it seemed to me that Adam spent a lot of time in Toronto, at least, doing promo for FYE. I wonder if he'll do that again this era. I hope so. Rihannsu, also liked your comment about women and gays. "Their battle is ours too". |
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Post by 4Ms on Feb 22, 2012 0:56:26 GMT -5
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Feb 22, 2012 0:57:01 GMT -5
I honestly think that RCA signed Adam knowing that Radio would be a serious problem. I think the fact that Adam is so much of a visual artist in addition to his voice is what will be his saving grace. I just feel that they always knew radio could not be the main aspect of his presentation. Some of RCAEd's past comments made it sound like they had to convince Adam it was even worth the effort to try. I know Adam wants radio hits but I don't think Adam was ever under the illusion that it would be easy. Then the fact that VH1 isn't playing him on the countdowns is cutting Adam even more off at the knees. Out of all this insane-ness, its the VH1 reluctance that baffles and irks me the most. The BTIKM video is AWESOME. Visually, artistically, creatively. WHY WON'T VH1 PROMOTE IT PROPERLY??!! I know Kris Allen isn't a comfortable topic here, but I'm going to use him for a minute. Kris' second single was some song he did with (I think) the Script lead singer. It wasn't a hit on radio. In fact, it went absolutely nowhere. The video was nothing special. But it was on VH1's Top 20 for weeks. VH1 has a gem of a video in BTIKM. Lord knows its getting views and votes. Why, why, why, why, hasn't it played on the countdowns? Adam NEEDS his videos to play for exposure, BECAUSE he doesn't get easy radio support. For those who don't already know, this was a complete crap adds week. One.measly.add. In a small market. No New York. No big cities. Nothing. Spins aren't increasing. BTIKM is treading water at best. The lack of video support will dig the grave hole for the song. [grits teeth] I'm not normally a Debbie Downer. I'm not. But I'm beginning to understand why Q3's numbers caused her to freak out a few weeks ago. This felt like a make or break week for BTIKM. I'm not confident it made it. I just don't understand. |
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Post by evergreen on Feb 22, 2012 0:59:41 GMT -5
Adam is getting plenty of radio airtime -- what is not getting airtime is a song he recorded -- and did not write or produce. JMHO BTIKM is struggling on radio because it has no hook, has dated production and is not selling very much. Fan support is essential to getting airplay but it will only get a song so far. Most singles released by the major labels do not even get this far on the charts. I am certain that we will get another, betterer single. I love BTIKM, but wonder if it is a bit complex for Top 40. (Do I sound like a snob?) Someone posted a little bit ago that Freddie liked to write songs the fans could sing along to. Adam has said BTIKM is not an easy song to sing. Maybe this is part of the problem. The song that comes to mind to illustrate my point: Michael, Row the Boat Ashore.... Regardless of BTIKM's fate, Adam is destined for greatness. And we get a roller coaster ride thrown in. Nite all. |
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